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Topic: Is the Moon really at home in Cancer?
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Solar_Leo_Queen Knowflake Posts: 2701 From: Planet Earth Registered: Jan 2014
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posted February 21, 2018 09:20 PM
It doesn’t make any sense. Moon in Cancer is one of the least emotionally stable placements. It’s hard for us to let go. We get sentimental over things. We get uncomfortable when our environments change. We’re very sensitive. Our moods our very unpredictable too. For me personally, I’m the type to scream my lungs out out of anger and grief. How do these things make our moon sign “dignified”?Emotional intelligence is very important, but this is also the hardest for an invidual with Cancer moon. It’s hard to pretend something doesn’t hurt when it does. We tend to hold on to things from the past that aren’t useful anymore. Our moms are also not always the best moms. Our childhoods are not always the best either. Some of us have mostly been exposed to the comfortable, unable to handle life’s realities. I find earth moons more stable, even in detriment in Capricorn. People with earth moons seem to handle emotions very well. They understand that loss is just but another part of life. They seem to withstand anything life throws at them. Most of the ones I know are emotionally resilient. They have experienced a lot of crazy things I don’t think I would have been able to handle. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 6239 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 21, 2018 09:23 PM
That's how moon's energy is supposed to be, not categorized(like in Capricorn) or analyzed(like in Gemini), just felt (like Cancer).IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen Knowflake Posts: 7148 From: LURKING Registered: May 2011
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posted February 21, 2018 10:05 PM
Yes.. because Cancer is ruled by Moon. Same reason with the other signs.You can't really debate a thousands year old system that is tried and true.
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ReachingForTheStars Knowflake Posts: 484 From: second star to the right, and straight on till morning Registered: Dec 2013
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posted February 21, 2018 10:43 PM
What if we were to isolate the moon? What would be it’s purest expression? It’s the sun’s job to illuminate. Mars is to take action. Saturn teaches, structures and controls. The moon feels... strongly, deeply, and overwhelmingly. It’s supposed to! It’s not the moon’s job to be rational. That responsibility is for another planet. In the tarot, the moon card represents the subconscious and the unconscious. Similarly, in astrology the moon operates on an instinctual level. Things the moon feels may not be as obviously apparent to other parts of the psyche. Most times, it isn’t until something is felt that we notice it and bring it into our awareness to process. This is the case when we know something is wrong, but we cannot explain it. On a neurological level, information is processed through our emotional center before being filtered through our rational minds. From an evolutionary perspective, it’s function is invaluable in dangerous conditions. Almost instantaneously, it can detect a threat and prompt a fear-based response that can save your life. Imagine if we had to rely on our reasoning centers to detect threats. By the time we have thought things through, we could be dead. In Capricorn, it doesn’t want to feel. It wants to act as if it has no fear, so he behaves as if he’s not scared, doesn’t respond appropriately to a perceived threat and dies. Ok, maybe not so extreme but you get the point. As a cap moon, I have lots of experiences where allowing myself to feel and respond to those feelings would have left me in a much better place in my life than pretending I had everything under control. Pretending isn’t good. If it hurts, acknowledge it, feel it, try to understand it, be compassionate and use what you learn from it constructively. The moon isn’t always right though, so we need to be able to evaluate the information it sends us. Again, this is where the other planets assist. Blaming the moon or the sensitive nature of cancer for instability may be misplaced. Society likes to demonize emotions and glorify rationality, but that is a mistake. I think rationality as it has been commonly understood is a myth. There are conceptual differences between reasonable, rational, and logical. When those distinctions are made, it becomes clear that emotions are rational. It isn’t our emotions that are bad, it’s the ways we interpret and respond to them that can be. Again, this isn’t necessarily the fault of the moon. The interplay between what we call the heart and our rational minds is where we get lots wrong. It’s often how we rationalize our emotions that is the problem. In cancer, the moon is strong, maybe stronger than the planets responsible to evaluate, interpret, and take the appropriate action, so it overwhelms these functions. Being dignified in cancer doesn’t necessarily mean it will be the model of emotional intelligence as the term may incorrectly imply. That’s determined by a whole lot of other factors.
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colorful butterfly Knowflake Posts: 2024 From: USA Registered: May 2015
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posted February 21, 2018 11:39 PM
Solar, I can understand where you are coming from, I have a Cancer sun and very sensitive person. IP: Logged |
capricorncheriscty Knowflake Posts: 195 From: Registered: Nov 2017
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posted February 22, 2018 12:44 AM
I am more confused how the moon is exalted in taurus and not pisces or even libra. Seems like Taurus moon people have very bad attitudes and are honestly kind of lazy/half-assed. They are very bad at managing their anger and often just curse a lot to fix it. It's a weird position for the moon and I don't understand how this is exalted in any way whatsoever...What is exalted about that type of behavior? I see so many Taurus moons having emotional breakdowns too. Exalted? How? The only thing I see Taurus moons really good at over other moons is that they can laugh at really anything bad that happens in their life before having a freaking breakdown about it but idk if that's an exalted thing? Uh. I don't get how you can question Moon in cancer though lol that's so weird, I mean what other sign would the moon be ruled by? IP: Logged |
capricorncheriscty Knowflake Posts: 195 From: Registered: Nov 2017
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posted February 22, 2018 12:48 AM
I think a Cancer moon is a fine placement. idk what you mean that this placement does not make sense. Plenty of moon in cancer people I see are fine. Some are kind of emotionally messy (taking their anger and frustration out on others bc they bottle everything up until the last minute) but idk, it's not that big of a deal. I suppose because the moon is home in cancer they will feel the effects of the moon phases more than others which is why you might think they are the least stable. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 5065 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 22, 2018 01:13 AM
Love the responses here.In esoteric astrology the anxious Virgo is ruled by the Moon with emotional Cancer ruled by nebulous Neptune. So in any way one puts it, the Moon is meant to be a little cray cray. Not stable at all and responsive to environmental conditioning. Even its exaltation in Taurus has more to do with it thinking of its survival than being cool ,calm and collected. Take food/security away from a Taurus and they go cray cray. I have observed it quite a few times. The cool/calm demeanor disappears to pure panic Lunar/moon is meant to be in Cancer IMO. IP: Logged |
capricorncheriscty Knowflake Posts: 195 From: Registered: Nov 2017
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posted February 22, 2018 01:41 AM
But the moon is not meant to be in constant survival mode. It's just meant to be at peace with it's emotional state, in acceptance and constant growth. Which is why I do not understand taurus moon being the exaltation? Taurus moons I've seen are terrible at growing emotionally. They're stubborn and lazy. They want everything at once and get agitated easily when they don't get it. Cancer moons are better than this. Cancer moons are a wreck but they at least know it and do stuff to try and improve. I just fail to see the logic of the cardinal spontaneity of the Moon being exalted in a rigid fixed sign that has anger issues. That makes no sense. I think it's more sensical for the moon to be exalted in Libra or Pisces. Earth moons are so bad at handling their emotions (especially anger). They appear calm on the outside but the second you say one word they snap like a twig on fire. Even water and fire moons can find better outlets to release emotion instead of just popping off like an earth moon. Makes no sense! EDIT: to OP, maybe you should think more positive about your moon. I don't think Emotional Intelligence is linked to one moon sign. Even if it was, Cancer would still be pretty high since it is literally home in the Moon. IP: Logged |
Astrofiend Knowflake Posts: 211 From: Registered: May 2017
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posted February 22, 2018 02:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen: It doesn’t make any sense. Moon in Cancer is one of the least emotionally stable placements. It’s hard for us to let go. We get sentimental over things. We get uncomfortable when our environments change. We’re very sensitive. Our moods our very unpredictable too. For me personally, I’m the type to scream my lungs out out of anger and grief. How do these things make our moon sign “dignified”?Emotional intelligence is very important, but this is also the hardest for an invidual with Cancer moon. It’s hard to pretend something doesn’t hurt when it does. We tend to hold on to things from the past that aren’t useful anymore. Our moms are also not always the best moms. Our childhoods are not always the best either. Some of us have mostly been exposed to the comfortable, unable to handle life’s realities. I find earth moons more stable, even in detriment in Capricorn. People with earth moons seem to handle emotions very well. They understand that loss is just but another part of life. They seem to withstand anything life throws at them. Most of the ones I know are emotionally resilient. They have experienced a lot of crazy things I don’t think I would have been able to handle.
@Solar_Leo_Queen: Moon is at home Cancer because the Cancer is ruled by the moon. I understand where you are coming from as a water moon myself. Regardless the moon represents emotions and feelings (among other things). This is where water moons have an advantage. We feel on an instinctive, psychic, and deep level. I agree with @ReachingForTheStars. I feel feelings and emotions are seen as weakness and handicap; especially in today's society. In reality feelings and emotions and being comfortable with being vulnerable is a strength and a skill we all need to have. I have known a lot of Cap moons and they are great, probably my favorite moon sign but a lot of them run, hide, avoid, and detach from their feelings/emotions. In the long run this is not healthy and can cause more problems than just processing and allowing yourself to feel on a more constant and consistent basis. Emotions are meant to be felt and experience, not rationalize and buried.
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ReachingForTheStars Knowflake Posts: 484 From: second star to the right, and straight on till morning Registered: Dec 2013
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posted February 22, 2018 03:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by capricorncheriscty: But the moon is not meant to be in constant survival mode. It's just meant to be at peace with it's emotional state, in acceptance and constant growth. Which is why I do not understand taurus moon being the exaltation? Taurus moons I've seen are terrible at growing emotionally. They're stubborn and lazy. They want everything at once and get agitated easily when they don't get it. Cancer moons are better than this. Cancer moons are a wreck but they at least know it and do stuff to try and improve. I just fail to see the logic of the cardinal spontaneity of the Moon being exalted in a rigid fixed sign that has anger issues. That makes no sense. I think it's more sensical for the moon to be exalted in Libra or Pisces. Earth moons are so bad at handling their emotions (especially anger). They appear calm on the outside but the second you say one word they snap like a twig on fire. Even water and fire moons can find better outlets to release emotion instead of just popping off like an earth moon. Makes no sense! EDIT: to OP, maybe you should think more positive about your moon. I don't think Emotional Intelligence is linked to one moon sign. Even if it was, Cancer would still be pretty high since it is literally home in the Moon.
No, it’s not all about survival in the sense of existing in a hostile environment, but don’t think of the moon as some refined, tranquil planet either. Putting it in any of these categories may be ultimately unhelpful. The moon is instinctual and raw, fluid and solvent, dark and dank. It’s primal but NOT primitive. It’s our conscious mind that’s primitive. In his book The Gay Science, Nietzsche states, “Consciousness is the latest development of the organic and hence also what is most unfinished and unstrong”. I agree with that. Science agrees with that.
No emotion is inherently good or bad. Those are labels we’ve attached to the behaviors we blame emotions for. There isn’t much about creation that is pretty and simple, and I think the moon’s influence is much more complex than just existing to achieve a state of peace nor do I think it’s the moons job to regulate anything it feels. When executing its role with the other planetary energies, regulation may be achieved. I believe in yin/yang. I think every unpleasant emotion helps us understand and appreciate the pleasant ones. More importantly, I think every emotion has a purpose even anger. Normally, we associate anger with mars, “the angry planet”, but anger is an emotion. We associate it with mars because mars is action and anger is effective accelerant. Anger is meant to be acted on not acted out. It takes time to understand these things even for Cancer and Taurus moons. Maybe if we focus less on the expression and more on the function, we can get a better understanding. The moon works internally after all. The moon in cancer is psychic picking up on the unseen but present elements in the environment. It’s still and somehow illusive as well. In Taurus, it brings awareness to the body, makes it concrete, grounds it in reality making it less paranoid. It’s psychic and physical. That may not be your experience with Taurus moons, but it’s a learning process that in this today’s societies is really hard. That’s my theory anyway; I’m open to amending it. IP: Logged |
charlie Knowflake Posts: 4462 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted February 22, 2018 04:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Love the responses here.In esoteric astrology the anxious Virgo is ruled by the Moon with emotional Cancer ruled by nebulous Neptune. So in any way one puts it, the Moon is meant to be a little cray cray. Not stable at all and responsive to environmental conditioning. Even its exaltation in Taurus has more to do with it thinking of its survival than being cool ,calm and collected. Take food/security away from a Taurus and they go cray cray. I have observed it quite a few times. The cool/calm demeanor disappears to pure panic Lunar/moon is meant to be in Cancer IMO.
Oh boy, where to start!? When I remove “the goodies0 from my Taurus Moon husband and his Taurus Sun/Cancer Moon daughter sh1t WILL hit the ceiling fan! I am sometimes flabbergasted at how much junk and food they eat and I mean eat non-stop! IP: Logged |
nordicsoul Knowflake Posts: 1711 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted February 22, 2018 06:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
Society likes to demonize emotions and glorify rationality, but that is a mistake. I think rationality as it has been commonly understood is a myth. There are conceptual differences between reasonable, rational, and logical. When those distinctions are made, it becomes clear that emotions are rational. It isn’t our emotions that are bad, it’s the ways we interpret and respond to them that can be. Again, this isn’t necessarily the fault of the moon. The interplay between what we call the heart and our rational minds is where we get lots wrong. It’s often how we rationalize our emotions that is the problem. In cancer, the moon is strong, maybe stronger than the planets responsible to evaluate, interpret, and take the appropriate action, so it overwhelms these functions. Being dignified in cancer doesn’t necessarily mean it will be the model of emotional intelligence as the term may incorrectly imply. That’s determined by a whole lot of other factors.
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diamondbaby Knowflake Posts: 829 From: Registered: Jul 2012
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posted February 22, 2018 07:05 AM
In my opinion it makes perfect sense that Moon rules Cancer and Moon is exalted in Taurus. Both are emotionally balanced, nurturing, loving - Taurus Moon is nurturing in a more earthy, practical sense of course. Unfortunately both Moon in Cancer and Moon in Taurus are pretty underrated placements.IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 5065 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 22, 2018 11:54 AM
Cancer Moon underrated? I don't know. Perhaps the least desired Moon placement in men.And perhaps the most taxing to be with(tied with Scorpio)Taurus Moon is not underrated either. Plenty of people seem to love their cool,calm and collected demeanor. I think the underrated one is Virgo/Libra and Pisces Moon. IP: Logged |
Solar_Leo_Queen Knowflake Posts: 2701 From: Planet Earth Registered: Jan 2014
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posted February 22, 2018 04:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by Astrofiend: @Solar_Leo_Queen: Moon is at home Cancer because the Cancer is ruled by the moon.I understand where you are coming from as a water moon myself. Regardless the moon represents emotions and feelings (among other things). This is where water moons have an advantage. We feel on an instinctive, psychic, and deep level. I agree with @ReachingForTheStars. I feel feelings and emotions are seen as weakness and handicap; especially in today's society. In reality feelings and emotions and being comfortable with being vulnerable is a strength and a skill we all need to have. I have known a lot of Cap moons and they are great, probably my favorite moon sign but a lot of them run, hide, avoid, and detach from their feelings/emotions. In the long run this is not healthy and can cause more problems than just processing and allowing yourself to feel on a more constant and consistent basis. Emotions are meant to be felt and experience, not rationalize and buried.
I agree with what you’re saying. I think that’s exactly how I’m seeing things right now. Emotions make me feel really uncomfortable despite the fact that I have this placement. Maybe it’s because it’s the only water planet I have in my chart? My chart is mostly air/Virgo placements. Even with my moon-mercury sextile, I still feel uneasy with expressing my feelings. I can do it naturally, though. But it’s when the logic sets in that things change. Then I start thinking to myself how stupid I was for reacting based on my emotions. I’ve also noticed with Cap moons that they tend to pretend their problems don’t matter. I’ve heard from my bf many times “we’re all gonna die soon anyway”, in the dryest possible way. I guess this is why I see them as very stable emotional support. I have many friends who have either Cap moon or Virgo moon. Taurus not so much. Maybe in the bigger picture, it’s true that most of the things we hang on to don’t matter. But we also have to live life according to what’s happening now instead of what will happen anyway. Also, I have been reading a book called Emotional Intelligence. It talked about how the emotional mind came to be before the logical mind even developed. Would it be also safe to say that our moon also indicates our survival instincts? IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3295 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted February 22, 2018 06:42 PM
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That's how moon's energy is supposed to be, not categorized(like in Capricorn) or analyzed(like in Gemini), just felt (like Cancer).
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bananaz Knowflake Posts: 869 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted February 22, 2018 10:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen: It doesn’t make any sense. Moon in Cancer is one of the least emotionally stable placements. It’s hard for us to let go. We get sentimental over things. We get uncomfortable when our environments change. We’re very sensitive. Our moods our very unpredictable too. For me personally, I’m the type to scream my lungs out out of anger and grief. How do these things make our moon sign “dignified”?Emotional intelligence is very important, but this is also the hardest for an invidual with Cancer moon. It’s hard to pretend something doesn’t hurt when it does. We tend to hold on to things from the past that aren’t useful anymore.
Just because current society doesn't deem these traits worthwhile doesn't mean they aren't good traits to have. Everything you've stated is beneficial. Most people react without knowing why. Cancer moons can pinpoint their emotions easily. Bottling things up is never good for anyone either. Unfortunately our current PC gloss over things, keep your head on straight world would rather you be a talking robot, but it doesn't mean it's beneficial to you as an individual. quote:
Our moms are also not always the best moms. Our childhoods are not always the best either. Some of us have mostly been exposed to the comfortable, unable to handle life’s realities. I find earth moons more stable, even in detriment in Capricorn. People with earth moons seem to handle emotions very well. They understand that loss is just but another part of life. They seem to withstand anything life throws at them. Most of the ones I know are emotionally resilient. They have experienced a lot of crazy things I don’t think I would have been able to handle.
I don't know what your situation is, but most Cancers are known for being natural mothers. All depends on the chart's narrative. There are benefits to Earth moons, but there are also cons. Stubbornness in Taurus, for example. pickiness of virgo. I find that Capricorn moons in general have been through the worst imaginable things, saturn forcing them to learn the hardest lessons. Moral of story? Moon in Cancer is very much at home. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 8008 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 22, 2018 11:13 PM
Do you have mars in cancer or moon aspecting your mars? IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3183 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted February 22, 2018 11:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen: It doesn’t make any sense. Moon in Cancer is one of the least emotionally stable placements. It’s hard for us to let go. We get sentimental over things. We get uncomfortable when our environments change. We’re very sensitive. Our moods our very unpredictable too. For me personally, I’m the type to scream my lungs out out of anger and grief. How do these things make our moon sign “dignified”?
I don't disagree with this, but the thing that seems most common with Moon in Cancer is focus of emotions on family, family issues, and the importance of family influence, which is fundamental to a person getting a good start in life. In Vedic astrology the Moon is at its peak strength at 3° Taurus in the sidereal/nirayana zodiac, which when adding the current precession back in puts it at 27° Taurus. Understanding the the importance of family at the intellectual level would do no good. It has to be felt. We also are evolving in our understanding in this -- the importance of family and parenting to giving a child the best start in life. So astrology alone doesn't tell the full story. Moon in Cancer can be very focused on emotional support, relational security, and how moods and feelings play into all aspects of life -- because they do. It promotes awareness of one's feelings (unlike Moon in Capricorn as I was born with). Moon also reflects the light of the Sun, so it depends on its condition as to how Moon in Cancer plays out (as well as the aspects with the Moon). Sign alone never tells the full story. If a person has Moon in Cancer, but really hard aspects with multiple planets, then this shows more the full picture of the person's real emotional dynamics in their soul development. Your Moon is parallel your Sun at 18° north (if you've used an accurate time for your charts here in LL), which is an aspect that gives great vitality, unity, and force to your feelings. Both are contra-parallel Uranus, which shows issues of temperament and rebellion from the desire to be unique/free/distinctive/spontaneous. Yet, with Moon in Cancer there will be the core desire to have supportive family there for you. So there is always more than just sign. ------------------ Soul Stars Astrology - by the declinations guy Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator IP: Logged |
Solar_Leo_Queen Knowflake Posts: 2701 From: Planet Earth Registered: Jan 2014
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posted February 23, 2018 07:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Do you have mars in cancer or moon aspecting your mars?
Nope. I have Mars in Libra at 21 degrees. My moon is at 9 degrees so it doesn’t even make a square. My moon is my only water planet. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 8008 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 25, 2018 03:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen: Nope. I have Mars in Libra at 21 degrees. My moon is at 9 degrees so it doesn’t even make a square. My moon is my only water planet.
That is potentially a Sentagon aspect (100 degrees apart). I can calculate for you if you give me the minutes too... The orb should be 1 or under. Its part of the novile series and sentagons are significant. "Karmic group consists of Noviles (40, 80) and a Sentagon (100 degrees). They have to do with "life changing" events (usually very important ones), and are used in predictive astrology, - they HAVE to be triggered! So right now you have "indication" of karmic event possibility, which when triggered, will only play out negatively if there's a trigger. Noviles in transits indicate a strong emotional response; it's a stressful aspect with intensity almost like in opposition. It's called Karmic because it doesn't give it's recipient a choice and forces acceptance of circumstances;if it involves melefics such as Mars or Saturn it makes it all the worse. Benefic planets in Noviles give philosophical life views, patience and ability to be content with very little.. Sun in Virgo Noviles Neptune in Cancer in Mother Theresa's chart. Moon in Cancer Noviles Mars in Libra in movie stars chart Marlene Ditrich. For the last years of her life due to agoraphobia she wasn't able to leave her house, her activity (Mars) was doomed to be confined at home (Moon) - please note there might be different manifestation of this aspect depending of your individual chart. There are no cookie cutters in astrology, one shoe won't fit all." http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-32662.html
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