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Lioness
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posted April 23, 2010 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
How would you interpret black moon connections with Moon... What is the meaning of the Black Moon?

Has any one every experienced cross connections

His BMO 14Leo conj my natal moon 15Leo, 14Merc 16Sun

My BMO 18 Scorp conj his natal moon 21 Scorp

Also wondering about
BMO sextiles to NN
Bmo trines SN

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comica23
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posted April 23, 2010 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, I suppose you mean BML, which is Black Moon Lilith, right?

I haven't read much about its symbolism in depth, as I'm lazy and usually like to understand symbolism of things by feeling, but BML is very prominent in my chart, so I guess that I can kinda understand its symbolism (I hope lol).

BML in the natal chart of a woman can usually show the part where her feminism is "out of the norms". Lilith seeks gender equality, and wouldn't submit to someone without a reason, but her "dark" way of being a woman is not like what's traditionally expected from a woman, so that makes her misunderstood and even outcasted in some way. And so, there's an unconscious void and insecurities. It's like, she would want to be understood, but in the end, she might not be and she might know that.
Anyways, resuming, for a woman, BML can represent her "dark" femininity as well as unconscious void and insecurities. So that when activated, it could be either the other person would arouse the BML in her, or fulfilling her unconscious insecurities.
The effects would depend on what image the woman has of BML thought, which is, astrologically speaking, how BML is aspected in her own chart.

For men, I would think that it would represent the woman fatale he feels powerless with. Lilith can seem strong and non-submissive, and she might also not show affection for the one she loves in the way a woman would in the traditional way. He would feel fascination for her, yet might not see her as the partner in the end (Eve would be more ideal to Adam). She could also make him insecure, while attracted to her.
So resuming, for a man, BML in contact with the other's Sun/Moon/AC might show that this woman might arouse fascination and powerlessness in him, although again, it might depend on how a man is with the idea of BML (his natal aspects) in order to determine what he might actually feel about BML aspects.


Again, I'm not very knowledgeable of BML's symbolism, so what I've said are more about my own idea of BML. But well, I hope that it can help.

How do you feel about these aspects?

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posted April 24, 2010 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Comica,
Awesome interpretation. My guy's Destinn conjuncts my BML. I always wondered what that meant for him. He was destined to see my dark side, my power? My feminine strength? Or perhaps the power that I don't acknowledge or recognize? I actually feel that he touches that part of me, that no one has ever really touched before, and he brings it out.

Things that make you go hmmmm....

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posted April 25, 2010 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
There is true BML which is the osculating lunar apogee

That's the one goes retrograde often and has an erratic movement


I have Sun conjunct true BML with 22 minutes of arc myself.


lunar apogee means that its the the point of the moon's orbit that is furthest from the Earth. It's like the shadow side of the Moon.

With Sun conjunct retrograde Black Moon can indicate my extremely emotional,sensitive,erratic,independent nature connected to my biological father.

With it being retrograde, it may have to do with my not coming to grips with and being in denial of my strong feminine nature that until my late 20's.


I don't fit male stereotypes, and that influenced my belief in women's rights and homosexual rights.


I have other female archetypes conjunct my Sun within 1 degree though
asteroids: Selqet - Egyptian Scorpion Goddess, Aurora - Roman Goddess of the Dawn, Iphigenia - Greek Mycenaean Princess sacrificed for fair winds to sail to Troy, Ariadne - the Greek Cretan Princess that aided Theseus to slay her halfbrother,the Minotaur and was abandoned by him, and married Dionysus, Athor - Egyptian Goddess of Love,Fertility

South Eris Node (both heliocentric and geocentric) - the Goddess of Discord

The concept of Lilith started off as a female storm demon similar that had Sumerian origins. Then in the middle ages,somebody came up with the myth of Lilith being the first wife of Adam who rejected to sleep under him and left him. She was said to terrorize children. Please keep in mind that myths change over time.

This is what Clairvision wrote for Sun conjunct Black Moon. I can strongly relate to this interpretation. It does mention that father can be absent and can be fought against. My father was physically absent,and I fought against my stepfather. I almost despised him. I had a strong disdain for his authoritarian nature.

Sun-Black Moon conjunction:
Being conjunct to the Sun makes the Black Moon extremely powerful.
Especially (but not only) in a female chart, a major aspect of Black
Moon to the Sun tends to create a 'Lilith character': strong-willed,
stubborn, independent mind and lover of freedom, original,
non-conformist, rebellious, passionately disliking routines and
enslavement at large. Lilith was the woman who did not need Adam and
left him - not a common thing to do in early biblical times - one
reason being that she bluntly refused to lie under him during
lovemaking.
There is a profound need to go beyond limitations of all kinds.
This, naturally, leads the native to challenge establishment. At
times, it will create difficulties; a Lilith character does not
hesitate to tell her/his boss what she/he thinks of him, and can't
give a damn about consequences once she/he has made up her mind to
do something.
The eyes shine, at times defiantly. The personality is sharp, with a
marked taste for intensity. This, in Clairvision language,
corresponds to violent astrality - venom in large measure!
There are strong likes and dislikes, and a tendency to know
immediately whether one likes someone or not.
This may have to do with the profound insights into the
psychological motivations of other people. Being herself/himself so
well in touch with her/his shadow, the native has a fine
understanding of other people's psyche. A Lilith character is often
subtle, with a great sense of nuances, and an EXTREME sensitivity.
Problems with the father:
With this aspect, it is not rare to find that the native had major
problems with the father (especially in the chart of a female).
Either the father was absent, or perceived as absent, or was fought
against. There is likely to be some deeply rooted wound in the
psyche, relating to the father, with profound consequences on the
whole organisation of the personality.
In symbolical terms this conflict with the father goes far beyond
childhood scenarios. It is the father image, in its widest meaning,
which is involved here. Think of Lilith, angry at God for making her
subjected to Adam's authority (and patriarchal establishment at
large), and lamenting, "How could He [God the Father] do that to
me?"
It is the same wound that you are carrying. It was so deep that it
never healed.
When experienced on its highest level, a major aspect of Black Moon
to the Sun can make the native quite psychic: premonitory dreams,
intuition, natural affinity with the hidden mysteries of life, and
clairvoyance.


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posted April 25, 2010 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I like Juan Revilla's stuff on Black Moon the best because he has a grasp of the astronomy. I believe to truly understand how an object works in Astrology, the astronomy needs to be understood and not just the mythology.

LILITH AND THE BLACK MOON
by Juan Antonio Revilla

I. The True or Osculating Black Moon.

The true or osculating Black Moon is "a new arrival" into the pile of astrological "bodies" or sensitive points. It arrived in the early 90's, when it began to appear in published tables, at the same time than the centaurs. Like the centaurs, it requires research, hard work, and time. However, it is often neglected in place of the "mean" value, either because a lack of understanding of how fictitious the mean Black Moon is, or from the empirical evidence that validates it.

The Mean Apogee or Black Moon is an artifice, like the "fictitious Mean Sun" used by astronomers for the measurement of time. It moves very regularly, describing a perfect circle around the earth/moon barycenter (not the earth). Its movement is actually as round and regular as the hands of a clock and it is very easy to calculate. This roundness of its motion is not a good representative of the nocturnal and magic demoness Lilith; roundness and steady motion belongs to the Sun; it is alien to the world of the Moon.

The Osculating Apogee, on the other hand, represents the shape of the lunar orbit at one specific instant of time. It is not averaged as the mean apogee, and it is already geocentric, unlike the mean apogee. Some people reject it because it doesn't make any sense to them to have it swing as much as 30 degrees from the mean position and have abrupt and irregular changes of velocity and direction, but I think it is precisely this erratic behavior what makes it the best representative of the irrational, instinctive, and primal symbolism of Lilith.

This True Black Moon does not have the decades of astrological and interpretative elaboration that the Mean Black Moon has. It has been available only after 1992. You won't find simplistic formulas to make its interpretation easy. It requires research and willingness to try the new. It needs not receive the conventional meanings given to the round and astronomically featureless Mean Black Moon; but, as far as I am concerned, is the best symbolical representative of the demonical, nocturnal, and primal Lilith.

NOTE: for a long and detailed discussion of the astronomical difficulties and alternatives involved in the definition of the Black Moon, see my old compilation "An Astronomical Discussion of the Black Moon Lilith". For an answer to the common objections to the use of the osculating apogee, see my latest essay " Variants of the Apogee".


II. Astronomical Symbolism.

One important distinction is that the apogee/perigee axis is very different from the ascending/descending nodes axis, because at the nodes there is an intersection of 2 planes, like a meeting, or a door from one level to another, or a confluence of 2 worlds (the lunar and the earth realms).

But the apogee or the empty focus of the lunar orbit is a purely lunar realm. It is not in contact with anything. It is only the Moon per se, in isolation from everything else... therefore they are different concepts or orbital symbols. The apogee/empty focus (="kenofocus") is really like a womb, a receptacle, an accumulator, a point of emptiness...

As part of the "emptiness", this empty focus is also the place of dreams, the garden of desires, the pot at the end of the rainbow, the "impossible dream", the "primal mate", the twin-soul, etc... but this place is very, very dangerous... it can devour you like a whirlpool!

NOTE: everything here refers to the osculating lunar apogee, not the mean apogee. If astronomical symbolism must match astrological symbolism, then the mean apogee is very alien to this symbolism.

Astronomically, the Black Moon is an isolated point, a point of neglect, repression, fermentation, and "magical" transformations that belong to a phantasmal, nocturnal, and instinctive/erotic world. It contains all the more instinctual energies (including the atavistic wisdom and clairvoyance, which is dependent on bodily functions) deep within the psyche, of which sexuality is of course paramount, and which manifest themselves in fairy tales and in primitive lunar symbolism: the night, the mystery, the magic, the danger, the secret, the fear, that which is forbidden...

There is a dynamics between the 2 foci, they are seeing each other, like 2 twins, although one is physical and has weight while the other is absent and ghostly. It represents an absence, a ghost, an emptiness, like the emptiness of the womb or an unattainable ideal. Seen dynamically, there will be important differences between men and women... which is part of the dynamics of the 2 foci seen each other and getting polarized, fighting against a ghost and against emptiness, or trying to attain its invisible and ideal part.

One way of seeing its more negative manifestations, thinking on the "neglect" and "emptiness" of the empty focus of the Moon's orbit, is that the Black Moon is a reaction against the "reproductive" and mothering role which "chains" women and leaves them "empty" as individuals. Lilith can be seen as the polar opposite of this kind of woman, which, in turn, is a reaction against all sorts of forces that try to castrate a person.


III. The Psychological Realm of the Great Mother.

Pshychologically, the symbolism of Lilith belongs to the Mother Archetype, especially in its manifestations of the Terrible Mother. Let me make a few short quotes from Jung in "Psychological aspects of the Mother Archetype":

<<Evil symbols are the witch, the dragon (or any devouring and entwining animal, such as a large fish or a serpent), the grave, the sarcophagus, deep water, death, nightmares and bogies (Empusa, Lilith, etc.)...>>

<<On the negative side the mother archetype may connote anything secret, hidden, dark; the abyss, the world of the dead, anything that devours, seduces, and poisons, that is terrifying and inescapable like fate.>>

<<The effects of the mother complex on the son may be seen in the ideology of the Cybele and Attis type: self-castration, madness, and early death.>>

The following quote by another Jungian (Eric Neumann, in "The Origins and History of Consciousness") can almost be read as some modern astrological descriptions of Lilith:

<<Thus the Great Mother is uroboric: terrible and devouring, beneficent and creative; a helper, but also alluring and destructive; a maddening enchantress, yet a bringer of wisdom; bestial and divine, voluptuous harlot and inviolable virgin, immemorially old and eternally young...>>

Jung divided the "mother complex" as it manifests in women in 4 different types (which I always related to the 4 "big four" traditional asteroids). Lilith incarnates several aspects of what Jung calls "the overdeveloped eros", which can manifest like, for example, a tendency toward "the unscrupulous wrecking of marriages". It often is the reaction against the purely instinctive and all-devouring "thrall of nature" mother:

<<The reactive intensification of the daughter's eros is aimed at some man who ought to be rescued from the preponderance of the female-maternal element in his life...>> (id.)

NOTE: for an illustration of the "terrible/castrating mother" astrological role of the Black Moon, read the material on "Tchaikovsky and the Black Moon".

The Black Moon takes hold of our emotions. It is a reactive point, never a point of integration. As such, it can cause strong identifications or very powerful projections of unconscious emotions which may not be recognized as such. My feeling is that the Black Moon always works at this reactive level.

Many of the characteristics of the Black Moon --and of the character of the legendary Lilith-- can be explained with the principle of "reaction formation ", defined as "an internal defense mechanism in which a no longer gratifiable motive (or one gratifiable only under threat of punishment) is replaced by a motive at the other end of the existing continuum" [ref.: "Dictionary of Psychology", Vol. 2, p.907, ed. Eysenck, Arnold and Meili, Fontana/Collins, 1975]

[The authors give the following explanation: <<Primitive manipulation wishes (e.g. daubing) no longer satisfiable as formerly are released through violent desire for contact (which occurs much more often because of its minimal satisfaction value), prodigality through thrift, obscenity through extreme politeness, disappointed love through malevolent pursuit of the beloved. Characteristics of reaction formation are the lack of ordinary, average forms of motive satisfaction and the inability to take advantage of the many possibilities of satisfaction as circumstances change, except by rigid adherence to extreme forms of gratification.>>]


IV. Atavistic wisdom and clairvoyance.

The astronomical counterpart of the earth is the Sun, not the empty focus of the lunar orbit. Integration is always in the direction of the Sun. The astrological Moon is where the unconscious emotions may become conscious, but the Black Moon, isolated and hot/cold, fire and ice, Unicorn-like, is like a place where there is never light, where it is always dreamy, like the dark side of the Moon. For this reason it may be a point where "consciousness" and energy may concentrate, but it is a slumber type of consciousness, an "entrance" into a world where knowledge is acquired by dreaming, not by thinking...

The way I'm using "magic" regarding the Black Moon is in the more traditional sense, related to occultism and "ancient" magicians like the legendary Merlin. This is to me the realm of the Black Moon, which we can see full-blown in legends, myths, and fairy tales. They all talk of things that are very "real" but not physical, or belonging to a time when the Earth itself was not as physical as today, and when people lived more in the astral than in the physical plane. In a nutshell, it is the "astral" or imaginative world, where things do indeed change shape constantly.

I believe that, today, we misinterpret many of the ancient --even medieval-- traditions and legends because we expect them to refer to a world like ours, while the truth --to me-- is that pre-enlightenment people had an atavistic clairvoyance and wisdom, which in occultism is related to the dark Moon and dark Sun forces-- that allowed them to perceive many things that people today do not perceive any more. The Dark or Black Moon, because of its astronomical symbolism, is for me the best tool there is to represent this "occult" level of reality, the world that is at the other side of the mirror, or, if you want it, the "Twilight Zone".

They had access to levels of perception that we don't have today, or only few people have what was common for them: atavistic wisdom and clairvoyance. Becuase of this, we "explain out" what looks as fantasy for us, ignoring that it was real experience for them. For example, succubi and incubi ("evil" Lilithian spirits) do exist today as they did back then, but because we do not normally perceive or "see" them (they can be perceived and seen in action under abnormal circumstances), we *believe* they are just "childish" explanations of their fears or lack of psychological and medical knowledge. There is a fashion today of "angels", which looks quite shallow when we realize how much the dark side of the spirit world is ignored, making it more powerful.

Bats represent this very well, for example, or gargoyles, among many other things The demoness Lilith and her different guises --putting aside the modern feminist approach which pretends to wipe the "demon" part-- is to me a very good mythological figure for this.

Like Hekate, the Black Moon is a "Queen of the Night", and negatively it is demonic (black magic) and vampiresque, while positively it is related to sexual initiation and transformational magic, a symbolic and oniric/artistic/imaginative world of primal wisdom that resists rationalization.


V. Lilith and the demon world.

Often, regarding Lilith, the traditional negative or "demonic" associations are rejected as being the result of the judeo-christian "male superiority" and "ego" ideologies. But this doesn't change to me the fact that there are still many demons inside of both men and women, and that the world of the night with all its mystery and magic still exists, although in areas and in ways different from those of the past.

Neither "castration" nor "sexuality" are limited to genitality. Especially from the mythical Lilith point of view, associated with the Genesis story, where sexuality marks the beginning of consciousness. I still feel that Lilith is strongly related to a woman's man inside, and man's woman inside, and how one deals with that. "Demons" are treated differently today, seen more as social and psychological projections, but they are still at work in man and in woman, and are strongly related to sexuality, like consciousness. We all have our nights, our night-world. I would personally never loose sight of the symbolism of the night regarding the Black Moon. In my book, Lilith is never fully alive and awake. That is the Sun. A Lilithan person can become solar, but Lilith must remain Lilith.

"Demons", "castration", "darkness", psychological "vampirism", "succubi" and "incubi", and all the other "terrible mother" manifestations associated with the demonic "evil" aspect of Lilith are all part of the psyche of men and women, appearing today in different guises, and the "Black"/"Dark" Moon are excellent astrological and astronomical symbols for them. To me, the Black Moon belongs to the world of the dark and the womb, in both its terrible and its more positive transformational magic aspects.

I am not saying that the Black Moon is *only* this. All the modern psychological interpretations of ancient demonical and magical lore, are another face of the same thing, which can be both very "good" and very "evil". By ignoring our shadows we make them more powerful.

Powerlessness and abuse suffered in early life can create very strong reaction formations that make people "hate" their own vulnerability and feelings, and this can manifest outward as feelings against those that show these traits. All this can be very complicated, "twisted", and dark. Sexuality is often the playground of unconscious reactions of this type, and the more negative or demonic traits of the Lilith legend can be (and are often in the literature) explained this way.


VI. The Emancipation of Women

I feel the Black Moon is also related to the emancipation of women from their "womb" destiny, their sexual liberation. But the Black Moon is a reactive point astronomically, a point where a lot of energy can concentrate but which cannot "integrate" or "bring liberation" by itself. It is more like a pot, or a pit... it cannot be "an integrated woman". That is why I think the modern "redemptive" transformations of the Lilith figure are probably better seen in other bodies capable of transcendence (unlike the Black Moon), such as the centaurs

A girl may have a reactive defense mechanism against the mother, and refuse to submit to "nature", especially if she doesn't feel loved by his father. A loving and strong father will make her use her masculinity to fight integratively in a harmonious assertion of her womanhood. Then probably other feminine asteroids take over, those that deal with a woman's creative role in the community (the main belt), or with transcendent excursions into the prohibited or illicit regions of the centaurs (and to a larger extent, of the Damocloids). These are the ones that break the rules and jump fences and tabus.

The Black Moon is not a dynamic point. It is only reactive, an accumulator or attractor. If it becomes too strong, or if the woman identifies with the Lilith archetype too much, then it becomes a point of rejection and negation, like a no-Moon, an anti-Moon. Perhaps it could be seen as the point where a woman's "destiny in chains" consequence of her "womb" or of her enslaved sexuality is trying to engulf her, and the result may be either the acceptance of her own and ancestral past and its creative transcendence by "jumping" into the more dynamic world of the (also dark) asteroids and centaurs, or the surrender to the neurotic identification with an archetype (in this case, Lilith).

The Lilith archetype, then, can be found in several different astronomical bodies or points, each expressing a different aspect of the archetype according to its astronomical and orbital symbolism. I have often expressed my opinion that there are Lilithian overtones in the centaur Chariklo, for example. Recall my keywords for Chariklo:

matriarchate, the Queen of spades, mature passions sadness, widowhood, illicit love caring for the sick, the dying, the weak sober celebration, moral emancipation and freedom .

There are probably many Lilith associations of the Black Moon that belong more properly to the asteroid 1181 Lilith or to centaurs like Chariklo. Astronomically speaking, 1181 is a social asteroid, but the Black Moon is not a social point. I think a separation is useful, and perhaps sexual equality issues are better measured by the asteroid or by the female centaurs, since it has to do with the (changing) values and costumes in a society.

The Damocloids (1999RG33, 1999LD31, etc) for example, not yet named and more assertive (and with better calculated orbits) than the centaurs, look as very good candidates to incarnate the more tabu and prejudice-breaking aspects of Lilith's modern (good and evil) transformations.

The level in which the Black Moon (not necessarily Lilith!) works is very primal and stemming from sexuality and body-energies --which is not the same as genitality-- while the asteroid 1181 Lilith is (or should be from its astronomical characteristics) more concerned with community or more social issues. The Black Moon is more related to the past, to the origins, to the "uroboric mother".


VII. Conclusions.

When I first started to visualize the centaurs, because of their orbits which can be associated with jetsam, chaos, and fragmentation (also, mythologically, with what is "raw" and wild), I felt that the "shadow" aspect of our personality, memory, history, etc., could be related to them. I still feel that way, but as my mind began to settle about what of the alternative "Black Moons" to use, I am beginning to incorporate its symbolism, which, obviously, works at a different level than the centaurs, the level of the Lunar world in the "occult" way, i.e., more a function of the womb-mother-body energies, including atavistic wisdom and dream-like spiritual perception.

With the centaurs, as with the Black Moon, something similar happens when dealing with the idea of "fragmentation" which they --among many other things-- represent. Their action CAN result in a further and higher integration of the individual, but this integration, at least in my opinion, is no longer them, but other planets, especially Jupiter and the Sun. It is the Sun what represents the spiritual individuality. Lilith --the empty focus of the Moon-- could never represent that.

I have always argued for a differentiation or separation of levels when one is interpreting, i.e., an asteroid cannot be interpreted in the same level than the empty focus of the Moon's orbit (the true osculating Black Moon), in the same way than a centaur or trans-neptunian cannot be interpreted like a main-belt asteroid.

Perhaps it is here where the role of the Lilithian asteroids becomes important. They represent higher levels of the Lilith function, from the Hekates and Lilith-likes of the main belt working on the social-community level to the feminine centaurs breaking all the rules and transgressing the established moralities, giving the archetype Lilith the opportunity to be free from the emptiness of the lunar womb, and become really cosmic, a "citizen of the galaxy".


Juan Antonio Revilla
San José, Costa Rica, June 27, 2000
revised June 2003.

SUMMARY

1-) The lunar apogee or "Black Moon" and the archetype "Lilith" are not the same thing. Lilith extends beyond the lunar realm and transcends it, it can manifest in different asteroids/planets or astrological factors. Especially the more redemptive aspects of Lilith (the emancipation of women) cannot belong to the lunar apogee (NOTE: this is developed at length here)

2-) The symbolism of the Black Moon cannot go beyond what the Moon represents, and it is not the Moon but a "ghost", a point of its orbit that is isolated. It is not a planet in its orbit, but a reflection of it "that is not there", a point that is empty, a no-Moon.

3-) Psychologically, it is a point that represents how we react to its emptiness, isolation, and unapproachability. But we don't react with it, we react with what we are equipped with (planets, the Sun especially). The reaction can "make us free" from it or redeem us, or it can drag us towards it like a whirlpool.

4-) The Black Moon is totally lunar, it is the dark/oniric aspect of the lunar realm. Each astrological factor has its own scope, it belongs to its own sphere or realm. The "emancipation" of Lilith, symbolically, is Lilith being liberated from the Black Moon, which is its cage.

http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html

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posted April 25, 2010 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
@ Glaucus

Yeah thats where I got this from, and funny it gives the same meaning for Sun Square BM... As you know what ever hits my Sun, hits my moon,mercury and mars... hahahhaha... Only it doesnt give any interpretations for synastry..
I will list my Black Moon Meanings (Natal) for any one interested...


Mercury square Black Moon (orb: 4°18’)
Keywords
Adds depth to Mercury, and connection between the conscious and
subconscious levels of the mind.
Mercury gains in depth from its association with the Black Moon. The
Black Moon adds sharpness and wit. Mercury allows an expression of
the profound values associated with the Black Moon (which signifies
the unconscious levels of the psyche). The combination can bring
wisdom, as well as intuition. On a simple level, this intuition will result in
instant and extremely accurate insights into other people's emotions-
knowing their nature from the inside, rather than judging them by
their facade.
The understanding of other people's psychology also has to do with the
fact that the native's own inner life is quite sophisticated and complex.
Mercury stands for the conscious mind, Black Moon for the subconscious and unconscious parts of the psyche. The association of
the two means that there are more bridges between the different
levels of the psyche than in other individuals.
This will not always be easy to bear. At times, this open communication
between conscious and unconscious mind will trigger heavy emotions,
crises, anxiety or even depression. Still, it is the foundation for a high
degree of self knowledge.
On a higher level, this aspect of Mercury to the Black Moon can help
you become quite psychic (Clairvision higher mode). For Lilith-Black
Moon, a highly metaphysical point in the chart, is plugged directly into
your Mercury-mental consciousness. This means a natural affinity with
the hidden mysteries of life, and a great capacity to fathom them.

Moon square Black Moon (orb: 3°32’)
Keywords

Adding depth to the Moon
A major aspect of the Black Moon to the Moon tends to add depth and
stamina to it. The Moon, which by itself can be rather mellow, is
reinforced by the qualities of independence and originality associated
with the Black Moon, which many astrologers associate with Lilith the
rebel, the woman who was created at the same time as Adam, not after
him, and who separated from him because she could not bear to be
subjected to his authority.
The Moon and Black Moon are both related to the subconscious and
unconscious parts of the psyche. People with this aspect are likely to be quite in touch with the depth of themselves.
Consequently, at times there will be extremely violent emotions-the
monsters of the depth are not buried far away, as they are in most
people; they tend to manifest more directly in the person's mind.
But on the higher mode, the result of a Black Moon-Moon major aspect
can be an exceptional intuition. In particular, the person can
understand other people and feel what they feel as if they were inside
them. There is also likely to be easy access to clairvoyance and higher
aspects of spiritual Sight.


Sun square Black Moon (orb: 2°05’)
Keywords
Especially (but not only) in a female chart, a major aspect of Black
Moon to the Sun tends to create a ‘Lilith character’: strong-willed,
stubborn, independent mind and lover of freedom, original, non
conformist, rebellious, passionately disliking routines and enslavement
at large. Lilith was the woman who did not need Adam and left him-not
a common thing to do in early biblical times-one reason being that she
bluntly refused to lie under him during lovemaking.
There is a profound need to go beyond limitations of all kinds. This,
naturally, leads the native to challenge establishment. At times, it will
create difficulties; a Lilith character does not hesitate to tell her/his
boss what she/he thinks of him, and can't give a damn about
consequences once she/he has made up her mind to do something.
The eyes shine, at times defiantly. The personality is sharp, with a
marked taste for intensity. This, in Clairvision language, corresponds to
violent astrality-venom in large measure!
There are strong likes and dislikes, and a tendency to know immediately
whether one likes someone or not.
This may have to do with the profound insights into the psychological
motivations of other people. Being herself/himself so well in touch with
her/his shadow, the native has a fine understanding of other people's
psyche. A Lilith character is often subtle, with a great sense of
nuances, and an EXTREME sensitivity.
Problems with the father:
With this aspect, it is not rare to find that the native had major
problems with the father (especially in the chart of a female). Either
the father was absent, or perceived as absent, or was fought against.
There is likely to be some deeply rooted wound in the psyche, relating
to the father, with profound consequences on the whole organisation of
the personality.
In symbolical terms this conflict with the father goes far beyond
childhood scenarios. It is the father image, in its widest meaning, which
is involved here. Think of Lilith, angry at God for making her subjected
to Adam's authority (and patriarchal establishment at large), and
lamenting, “How could He [God the Father] do that to me?”
It is the same wound that you are carrying. It was so deep that it
never healed.
When experienced on its highest level, a major aspect of Black Moon to
the Sun can make the native quite psychic: premonitory dreams,
intuition, natural affinity with the hidden mysteries of life, and
clairvoyance.

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posted April 25, 2010 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

squares are about friction
when objects are in square, they rub each other the wrong way

conjunctions are about merging
when objects are conjunct each other, they fuse with each other to become a unit

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A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind.

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posted April 25, 2010 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Raymond,

Can you post the link to that free online astrology software you once gave us? I found it very helpful with locating obscure astrological objects that were in close conjunction to one's planets. Unfortunately I have switched computers and don't have the link anymore. Without that software there is no way I'd be able to locate where Aurora and other objects like that were in my chart.

Thanks!

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