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Venus De Milo
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posted May 29, 2010 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message
I'm new to horary charts and just kind of learning, playing around with them. I'd like some feedback as to whether my conclusions are accurate.

The question I asked is whether my Leo and I will end up together.

I used this guide: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12782

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These are my conclusions:
ASC in early part of sign say it's too early to tell.
Even without the chart, I assume he's dating. I'm using the 7th house ruler as his significator and Uranus is conjunct Jupiter. I think he's seeing people, but it's just fun -- nothing serious. Is that a fair statement to make based on the chart?

Is the Moon separating from the square with Uranus? Does this mean no? I would take it to mean no, except that the ASC is so young and that means it's too early to tell, things are developing, is that right?

Also, I think it's telling that the Sun and Uranus are not making any aspect right now. Things are strange. He told me he loved me about a month ago. I didn't know how to respond. I could love him, and I'm infatuated with him (or was), but I need more to really know.

I don't know what to make of Pluto next to the moon either.

My feelings are waning anyway, because I've told him what I need and he hasn't stepped up to the plate. I feel like, if he had just taken the time to make phone calls and help me get to know him better (as I asked... and NOT an unreasonable request, IMO), this could have been something by now. I might have been flying back to the States to be with him any day now. But its just at an impasse with him making these grand statements but not backing them up in any practical way. You say you love me, but SHOW ME by your behaviour.

Bah!

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Diana
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posted May 30, 2010 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
It can't be read because of the early AC, so you won't get an accurate answer.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted May 30, 2010 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, it's hard to tell. I am getting a whole lot of doubt on your end and while the asc is early, I also feel like you've made up your mind up emotionally but you're not sure about what to do yet.

I do not count Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto in horary generally. Traditional rulers tell enough, I've found.
Also, it's showing him as Saturn, but I also count him as Mars since one significator for him doesn't feel enough, and Mars can be used for a male co-significator.

I think you will try to reconnect with him as you perfect a trine to him later...but something still feels off to me. It shows you as separating now but as the moon turns in later degrees you will still catch him in time to make the trine, I think. So this is positive.
It's like he's not doing enough in your own mind for this relationship. He's showing as hesitant and somewhat self-absorbed...and not doing much. He's rx Saturn. But he WILL go direct soon. So my feeling is that you will see more action from him quite soon. It's just that I also get the feeling that you've already made your mind up, and need complete PROOF in order to be convinced. Very true to form for the Cap moon in this horary...but also indecisive as the significator Sun/Gemini.

In a lot of ways this horary seems very focused on you, not him, and how you're kind of at odds with yourself at the moment. Does that make sense?

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Venus De Milo
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posted May 30, 2010 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message
The chart may well be more about me! I wouldn't know! I've literally poked around with horary charts one other time about 2 months ago.

I don't have much doubt that no matter what happens, when I return to the US in September as planned, he and I will re-connect. I'm going to be in NYC and he lives in Baltimore now. We both lived in the Bay Area last year.

I am indecisive about this! Every day I feel differently.

I just feel that if you were really serious, yo would make more effort. He's really good-looking. Now in his early/mid thirties, he's not so obviously Hollywood gorgeous (which I prefer! he's more ruggedly handsome), but when he was younger, he looked like a soap opera actor.. and I say this because I think he's just accustomed to making NO EFFORT with women. He's just used to clicking his fingers and having them come to him. I think he's really baffled and aghast that he asked me to live with him and I didn't just jump to it.

I also think he's very sensitive and sweet and he gets to be lazy and passive with women because of his looks. I don't think he really knows how to put himself out there.

I find him really frustrating and if it wasn't for this niggling feeling that this could be something really special and if I didn't really believe that he is a really good and kind person with a big heart, I would have written it off months ago.

(and thank you MyVirgoMask, I do think that what you said made a lot of sense in the chart)

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Venus De Milo
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posted May 30, 2010 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message
OK, now I am just being a nutjob. I swear I'm not going to ask again, no matter what the real outcome of this query is. In fact, I think I'm gonna call it a day with horary charts, because I can see this becoming a little compulsive!

So, I asked if he really loves me. I mean, is this guy for real or is he full of sh!t? ya know?

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My significator is Jupiter, correct? Saturn is in the 7th which... I'm not sure if that makes the chart unreadable? The Moon is applying to his significator in a trine, which is Mercury. This is good, right?

Interestingly, I'm supposed to be back in the US in about exactly 4 months, and there are 4 degrees for that applying trine to be exact. But i'm not sure if I'm just making stuff up now!

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Coffee
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posted May 30, 2010 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
No idea about your interpretation, so you get mine instead. I read this as the birth of a question, and therefore same as a natal chart...and can't wait till someone challenges me on doing that!

Your question is: Will we end up together?
A question about you and a potential partner - house 1 (self) and 7 (partner)

House 7 is in a stronger position due to the longer 86 year cycle of Uranus. Having also moved into the very 1st degree of the zodiac, Uranus in Aries is very strong, while showing a focus from the 7th house person to initiate communication (Uranus in 9th of chart/partners 3rd)

The condition of the 7th house person (Uranus) is an opposition to Saturn, ruling his 12th. As Uranus is seperating, this rather unfortunate event in that persons life could have affected him. Even worse, death.

You, my little worrysome chicken, are Leo, 1st house of this horary chart. Sun is in good condition.

What you need to know is the relationship between the 2 ruling planets of houses 1 and 7. Uranus and Sun. Uranus is 68 degrees applying (moving towards) Sun, which is a good 8/10 rating for what you currently have for this guy and, I guess, potential for future meeting. The most likely time for a potential meeting is when the Sun changes signs. Easy to remember.

The other person (House 7 - Aquarius) has more control in this relationship and with the planet Uranus new into Aries, lots of changes for him, as mentioned before.

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Venus De Milo
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posted May 30, 2010 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Coffee!!!

How interesting. Now to see if something of note happens when the Sun moves into Cancer.

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Got Gemini?
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posted May 31, 2010 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Both charts are unreadable. The first one, the Asc is too early. The second one has Saturn in the 7th. I'm with MVM on using traditional rulers.

Hey coffee, how did you come up with your reading? I'm still a beginner with horary so I'm always trying to learn more.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy!

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Venus De Milo
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posted May 31, 2010 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message
I thought Saturn in the 7th didn't invalidate the chart so long as it is a 7th house matter?

I could be wrong.

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Coffee
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posted May 31, 2010 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
By learning the basics and applying my own logical rules, GG. Horary can be harder to test in this way.

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