posted April 05, 2011 05:10 PM            

I have Capricorn friends where I have no issues.

However there is no end how easily Capricorn judges and likes to put everything into categories.( My Sag Asc goes crazy !)

They can not take blame of any sort. There intentions might be good but they screw up big time on few things. They hate that to be pointed out. ( Nobody does but they would manipulate everything and try all their ways to not take blame.Anybody from UK would know exactly what I am saying.)

They oscillate between over confidence and under confidence. They keep talking about how fearful they are about things and have phobias.Then suddenly,so competitive even when you are not competing.First they make you feel bad about things you can do and then try to do better than that. WTF?

I can always feel Saturn - Pluto issues.Am I supposed to learn here something ? I have never had Dad and so called my father figure would be my brother and my ex. They didn't really did good job at it.I am still looking for a Mentor who would be like a friend as I have ambition and potential.

This people are supposedly be in my first/ second house where I guess I should feel good about it.

I do not like how they communicate and make comments which doesn't sound at all to me comments. They sound seriously negative & cynicism.

They always want to know what work you are doing ? I do not consider my self worth with what I am doing especially just having Saturn go through my 10th house and messing up everything for good.

I suppose UK is also Capricorn company and my future looks as if I would have to live there.I know there are lots of people who want to live there but I have never been excited.In fact, I thought it was hell on earth. I have to go again there.I know I should be appreciative and maybe I can. Maybe good for making money but money isn't all I want.

This post is in no way to attack any Capricorn Sun & moon or Nationality.This is a serious call for help as I do not know how to work with Capricorn energy.

The way it used to work where I be submissive and listen to everything but I guess I am giving up on that as I have no interest in being a subordinate.2nd house capricorn I feel it is time to be boss.

posted April 05, 2011 05:41 PM            

True..

Judges? Not always... depends on other things. I have too much Pisces so basically - everything goes far as I'm concerned.

--They can not take blame of any sort. --

Ok - Now.. this is extremely non-capricorn behaviour..
Not only do they usually take blame.. but they make a POINT out of blaming themselves in order to know how to change and better themselves.
Does this person you know have something in Leo? That's a more likely culprit. Could they have a Leo AC perhaps?

I've often noticed this tug of war between Sagittarius and Leo people - You have a Saggy AC, so it could still work (mainly when they are the same gender). The Sagittarius person becomes extremely annoyed at the Leo person for thinking they are always right and so forth.
Although the irony is ^ the Sag person is usually only picking up on this because it is triggering their own ego - and their own desire to always be right.

--They oscillate between over confidence and under confidence.--

This sounds like oppositions/squares in their chart... They're not sure which boat they are in.
It's not a Capricorn thing.

-- They keep talking about how fearful they are about things and have phobias. --

This can be true.. I've known a few Cappy influenced people to be afraid of flying and so forth.

--Then suddenly,so competitive even when you are not competing.--

All cardinal signs can be competitive... But really - what you are describing here sounds like a clash in your synastry.
This is not the vibe of a sextile -- and definitely not a Capricorn2Scorpio sextile.
Your post has the vibe of a Sun square Mars or conjunct Mars... in your synastry.

--They sound seriously negative & cynicism.--

Well you also have an Aries Moon -- and Aries does not take well to cynicism.
I think basically - you're a bit mis-matched with this "friend" and maybe, misinterpreting their behaviour at times.

-- This is a serious call for help as I do not know how to work with Capricorn energy. --

You don't have to work with Capricorn energy - For God's sake!!
Life's too short.

Some people you can get on with - and some you can't.
If it is this bad - its time to say good bye to the friendship.
It is what it is.

posted April 05, 2011 06:01 PM            

I have my own sibling who is triple Cap,
I have my best friend who is Pisces with Cap moon.
I had an ex who was Libra Sun Cap moon.

posted April 05, 2011 06:38 PM            

cupcakes: This is my problem. I do not understand there whole not achieving something makes them miserable & failure attitude.I am not asking people to feel good when they are not.

I am a Scorpio and I have many things I want but I do not get miserable by not achieving them. I be patient. I take it as it comes. Good - Good Bad - Bad. There is only Saturn to blame to for that.Wish knew how to help.

Betty Boop: I can't be around miserable people but have to. I can't leave everyone in my life. Life is too short and I guess I would like to think there is some meaning to this otherwise meaningless life.

--Capricorn likes to put everything into categories.--
True..

Why? Isn't that same as being judgemental???
OR is it different from Capricorn mind?
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-They oscillate between over confidence and under confidence.--

This sounds like oppositions/squares in their chart... They're not sure which boat they are in.
It's not a Capricorn thing.

-- They keep talking about how fearful they are about things and have phobias. --

This can be true.. I've known a few Cappy influenced people to be afraid of flying and so forth.
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Maybe, it is me who sees them disclosing their fears to be their under confidence. As any person would do I would give them support and encouragement.When I do that they would say thing which would make you feel like you are s#it and they are still very superior.
I don't understand that dual nature.That's all.

Have you seen King's Speech as a movie? You see Colin Firth struggling with Speech yet he behaves very badly to the tutor. The thing is that if I was that tutor I wouldn't have waited to take his abuse and then be his friend even if he was a King.

posted April 05, 2011 06:52 PM            

DOB 16-11-1983
POB: Mumbai, India
TOB: 8:20 am

I can read charts little I just very recently realized because of you.

posted April 05, 2011 07:52 PM            

Thanks for your help.

I hope I didn't come across as someone who is about to die if you didn't find answers ;-) Take your time feeling me out.I guess I never knew I had so many squares with Neptune.

I guess I have been frustrated long by single word "Dreams" Neptune ? I keep feeling that I can do great things but all those squares...hmm??

Just somehow I felt quiet pushed around by Family.I know maybe they did not mean to.It all felt very connected.I didn't have any dreams until I was what 24.Now I am flooded with ideas and struggling to make them reality.That's a good thing probably!

I have started my new family as I recently got married to an Aries (4th house) as well and was hoping if someone would know about event charts. I can sign up for astrological study thing.I am interested in doing events and relocation charts. They seem to be really great things to do.

There we go ! with aspects.

The Astrological Sun
Sun in Scorpio 

Sun Semisquare Venus 

Sun Sextile Mars 

Sun Trine Moon 

The Astrological Moon
Moon in Aries 

Moon Opposite Mars 

Moon Trine Mercury 

Moon Square Neptune 

Moon Opposite Venus 

Moon Trine Uranus 

The Astrological Mercury
Mercury in Sagittarius 

Mercury Sextile Mars 

Mercury Conjunct Uranus 

Mercury Sextile Venus 

 
The Astrological Venus
Venus in Libra 

Venus Sextile Uranus 

The Astrological Mars
Mars in Virgo 

Mars Square Neptune 

 
The Astrological Jupiter
Jupiter in Sagittarius 

Jupiter Semisquare Pluto 

 
The Astrological Saturn
Saturn in Scorpio 

The Astrological Uranus
Uranus in Sagittarius 

The Astrological Neptune
Neptune in Sagittarius 

Neptune Sextile Pluto 

 
The Astrological Pluto
Pluto in Scorpio 

House Activity and Emphasis
The First House
Sagittarius on the 1st House Cusp

Jupiter in the 1st House 

Neptune in the 1st House 

 
The Second House
Capricorn on the 2nd House Cusp
The Third House
Aquarius on the 3rd House Cusp

The Fourth House
Pisces on the 4th House Cusp

Moon in the 4th House 

 
The Fifth House
Aries on the 5th House Cusp

The Sixth House
Taurus on the 6th House Cusp

The Seventh House
Gemini on the 7th House Cusp

The Eighth House
Cancer on the 8th House Cusp

The Ninth House
Leo on the 9th House Cusp

The Tenth House
Virgo on the 10th House Cusp

Venus in the 10th House 

Mars in the 10th House 

 
The Eleventh House
Libra on the 11th House Cusp

Saturn in the 11th House

Pluto in the 11th House 

 
The Twelfth House
Scorpio on the 12th House Cusp

Sun in the 12th House 

Mercury in the 12th House 

Uranus in the 12th House 

posted April 05, 2011 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by 4lifephrases:
Ami: So what are your big 3s?

Thanks for your help.

I hope I didn't come across as someone who is about to die if you didn't find answers ;-) Take your time feeling me out.I guess I never knew I had so many squares with Neptune.

I guess I have been frustrated long by single word "Dreams" Neptune ? I keep feeling that I can do great things but all those squares...hmm??

Just somehow I felt quiet pushed around by Family.I know maybe they did not mean to.It all felt very connected.I didn't have any dreams until I was what 24.Now I am flooded with ideas and struggling to make them reality.That's a good thing probably!

I have started my new family as I recently got married to an Aries (4th house) as well and was hoping if someone would know about event charts. I can sign up for astrological study thing.I am interested in doing events and relocation charts. They seem to be really great things to do.

There we go ! with aspects.

The Astrological Sun
Sun in Scorpio 

Sun Semisquare Venus 

Sun Sextile Mars 

Sun Trine Moon 

The Astrological Moon
Moon in Aries 

Moon Opposite Mars 

Moon Trine Mercury 

Moon Square Neptune 

Moon Opposite Venus 

Moon Trine Uranus 

The Astrological Mercury
Mercury in Sagittarius 

Mercury Sextile Mars 

Mercury Conjunct Uranus 

Mercury Sextile Venus 

 
The Astrological Venus
Venus in Libra 

Venus Sextile Uranus 

The Astrological Mars
Mars in Virgo 

Mars Square Neptune 

 
The Astrological Jupiter
Jupiter in Sagittarius 

Jupiter Semisquare Pluto 

 
The Astrological Saturn
Saturn in Scorpio 

The Astrological Uranus
Uranus in Sagittarius 

The Astrological Neptune
Neptune in Sagittarius 

Neptune Sextile Pluto 

 
The Astrological Pluto
Pluto in Scorpio 

House Activity and Emphasis
The First House
Sagittarius on the 1st House Cusp

Jupiter in the 1st House 

Neptune in the 1st House 

 
The Second House
Capricorn on the 2nd House Cusp
The Third House
Aquarius on the 3rd House Cusp

The Fourth House
Pisces on the 4th House Cusp

Moon in the 4th House 

 
The Fifth House
Aries on the 5th House Cusp

The Sixth House
Taurus on the 6th House Cusp

The Seventh House
Gemini on the 7th House Cusp

The Eighth House
Cancer on the 8th House Cusp

The Ninth House
Leo on the 9th House Cusp

The Tenth House
Virgo on the 10th House Cusp

Venus in the 10th House 

Mars in the 10th House 

 
The Eleventh House
Libra on the 11th House Cusp

Saturn in the 11th House

Pluto in the 11th House 

 
The Twelfth House
Scorpio on the 12th House Cusp

Sun in the 12th House 

Mercury in the 12th House 

Uranus in the 12th House 

I am still awaiting if any Capricorn would have to tell anything or what do you do when one have difficult squares ?

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OK 4
I have some ideas.
Cap is a Cardinal sign.The Cardinal signs are Libra, Aries and Cancer and Cap.

Your Moon is in Aries.You have many ,many moon aspects which makes your moon a big player in your chart.

Your Venus is in Libra.

That may be part of why Cap bothers you so much.
I feel irritated by the squares to my personal planets,too.
In fact,I can feel them in people.Later, I check the charts and I am,usually right lol

posted April 06, 2011 02:17 AM            

Just being my scorpion self. Can't think something can irritate me and I can't do anything....lol

Maybe moon is a big player.It is the only one at the lower right side of the chart. Everything else is in top left side of the chart. I am not selfish at all or assertive when it comes to my family. (4th house) My scorpio self has been over bearing and has most difficulty in saying No.

posted April 06, 2011 01:39 PM            

I am also guilty of categorizing, because I find it helpful. That said, I don't typify the ambition of the first born children. I get along with people easier, and most of my successes are private and for my own enjoyment.

With regard to competitiveness, I can go either way. Overall I'm competitive, but I wish to compete on my own terms. I'd rather not have terms dictated to me.

Over-confident and under-confident:
People around me would say this is true of me. I put it down to my Moon. I can be extremely critical of everything including myself. I have a sensitive (lefty) friend who gets upset if I say anything moderately self-defeating (which generally means realistic). Usually I don't mean it as seriously as he takes it, and he doesn't seem to realize that I know my own record of success in things I want to succeed at.

posted April 06, 2011 03:39 PM            

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they're surprised by my critical side, and become insecure about whether they're good enough for me.

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I am bit surprised at this statement. Doesn't it sound like there must be some reason behind why they think that they have to please you ??? Maybe it is manipulative...or the need to be authority? It isn't intended but it is done because they feel you have authority on them ?

How well do you take criticism? How much do you care what people think about you?

posted April 06, 2011 05:03 PM            

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Doesn't it sound like there must be some reason behind why they think that they have to please you ??? Maybe it is manipulative...or the need to be authority? It isn't intended but it is done because they feel you have authority on them ?

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Hmmm...let me analyze this.
I have Gemini Rising, and I also have Mercury conjunct Venus opposite Saturn. Gemini Rising makes me approachable and unthreatening I believe, while Mercury conjunct Venus makes me well spoken and Saturn opposite makes my mind and speech disciplined. I come across pretty easy going in most situations. Unflappable (and sometimes unengaged). With, perhaps, the formality of having Capricorn Sun with a Virgo Moon I've got pretty good manners. All this is to say that I generally treat people pretty well.

I'm not normal, though. I've never married. I don't have kids. (I'm 38) I make less than most of my suburban friends. I don't have a car. I'm ok with all of this. This lack of normal societal entrapments is freeing to a degree. I also have no debt. I recently took a secured credit card just to develop some credit on my mostly blank credit report. I'm pretty independent, and I'm not screwing my life up, nor am I continually stressed by the common issues. This might appear to people as an enviable position. It might be seen as smart or practical as well. A Libra in my office has told me multiple times that I'm the type to win the lottery (I run the lottery pool at work), because I'm just so mellow. To me, he seems mellow enough himself, but it's interesting to see his assessment of the difference between us.

I don't think my friends have to please me, though. That's something a few of them have come to feel ...of their own accord. I think I can manipulate people sometimes. I try to limit it if I think about it, especially with people I love. Most of the people I really like are quite manipulative themselves (and my presence in their lives generally serves their lives a purpose).

I don't know if I'm an authority to them. I do think my intelligence is usually respected by my friends. A Taurus friend (who has been one of the insecure ones) was recently so pleased with herself for having a moment of being more clever than me. She's a smart woman. I don't know why it tickled her so.

Some criticism I take better than others. At work I tend to take it poorly, because the quality of my work is more often better than that of my coworkers. I particularly have a problem when an inferior worker tries to criticize my work. Criticism from friends is different. If it's warranted criticism, I'll generally go along with it (I'm pretty fair that way). If they're crazy, saying crazy things I'll generally put them in their place. I think I'm more self-aware than a lot of people, so if the perception is wrong I'll be able to show that it's wrong. Criticism is most tough when it's a half and half situation; where I'm good at part of something, but weak at another part of that same thing. Like if someone were to criticize my abilities at improv (improvisational acting), they may be right, but it doesn't detract from the fact that I'm funny. If other people have a better repetoire of character voices or something, but aren't funny, it's kind of a value judgment which is superior or more desirable. People don't always see the whole picture.

I care what people think of me a fair amount. That's a stereotypical Capricorn trait.

posted April 07, 2011 08:59 AM            

If you are happy and practical living single is great.I am sure there would be two thoughts would be going on. A) Single and Happy B) Married and Love from wife,etc...etc...

posted April 07, 2011 10:12 AM            

There are 2 different opinions.

1) Single & Happy
2) Married & Settled.

To each of it's own.

I guess people who have Libra influence would want partnership.Anything against marriage would take it as a negative. I am sure you would to your single hood. Which can be you are not being responsible or pleasure of having family....blah blah.... Vice versa...having to pay for bills for others...and not being able to do what you want to..blah blah...Which one is right? I would say depending on their condition.

I am sure there is always a necessity to pull
the other one to same side. As that makes people equal but it also creates friction.
Maybe I do not like that friction.

1.My major question is what do you expect people to do when you are giving your realistic (critical & practical side) giving advice especially you both have different opinion on same thing?
Ans-
A) Thank you for your advice.
B) Listen to you but ignore your advice.
C) Argue with you and keep arguing.
D) Show you how that isn't the reality.Giving up and that you would see sun sometime.
E) Ignoring your advice and waiting for you to say "I told you so".
F) Anything else do you suggest ...????

2. Have you thought your so called practical advice might be ONLY YOUR negative experience?

posted April 07, 2011 11:34 AM            

I'm not sure that I expect anything of people listening to me. Maybe I expect to be listened to. I don't expect to be heeded unless it's an argument, in which case the more resistance, the more I'll nail down my point.

You have your freedom, though, so when dealing with Capricorns, feel free to disregard them. Make sure you live for yourself, and to your own standards, then no one will be able to say they told you so, because you did exactly what YOU wanted to do. I'd say don't let anyone unnecessarily influence your life. It's yours.

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2. Have you thought your so called practical advice might be ONLY YOUR negative experience?

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No, because experience isn't negative, and like I said I'm not out to control people. My philosophy is more of a take it or leave it philosophy. (I may not be just like your Capricorn people, though I do believe you may be right in attributing it to Capricorn placements. My Capricorn Sun and Jupiter are in the 8th house, so I may have a bit of a Scorpio feel.)

I will say that it's weird. People have taken offense to things I've said over my life, but in a lot of cases they end up taking what I said into consideration. I was part of some drama last summer in which my improv teacher found some critical words I'd written to a fellow improvisor. She was devastated. Once that drama was over, though, she suddenly became better and more engaged in what she was doing. I'm not telling her, "I told you so," but it seems that what I wrote had some effect. I have another friend who's also a Capricorn Sun with Gemini Rising (like me) who has been a petty thief and vandal (and he's in his late 40's; ridiculous behavior). Most of his negative tendencies go away when he hangs out with me. Stuff like this doesn't really give me reason to be other than how I am. We all serve our purposes.

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3. How does one help to show Half Empty person glass Half Full?

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posted April 07, 2011 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by 4lifephrases:
We're perfectionists. We have an idea of something we want, and unless it's successfully achieved, we've failed. The epitome of the Type A personality, I tell ya.

cupcakes: This is my problem. I do not understand there whole not achieving something makes them miserable & failure attitude.I am not asking people to feel good when they are not.

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