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Topic: When Stars Fake It...
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Xiiro
Knowflake Posts: 185
From: San Diego CA, USA
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posted September 13, 2011 01:57 PM
  
On occasion I bump into people with complex natal events which seem to use an energy by avoiding it's standard use.1). Here is an example. Sun conjunct Mercury in Sagittarius 11th house
5th house ruled by Gemini
Uranus conjunct ASC in Aquarius 1st house
Mars in Aries 3rd house
Jupiter in Gemini 5th house In the above example there is a Gemini/Mercury heavy theme. It seems as if the person is either learning to be more Gemini, or discovering new ways to express Gemini's energy without actually being a Gemini. 2). Here's another example. Sun conjunct Neptune in Sagittarius 8th House
Jupiter in Cancer. Sun is trine Mars in Leo and ASC in Aries. Here the native's Sun is submerged in an invisible Grand Water Trine (Ruled by Cancer, conjunct Neptune, in the 8th House), but directly involved in a Grand Fire Trine. It seems as if the person is learning to fuse the energies of water and fire together. or Taking on both energies without a full commitment to water. 3). Or - If you look at the same chart, you find a theme of a mutable square used in a non-square way (Sun in Sag, Sun conjunct Neptune, Moon exactly square Sun in Virgo, Sun's ruling planet Jupiter is in the 3rd house directly opposed Mercury). I have also seen synastry charts engage in similar themes. Anyone else noticed these types of themes and willing to share their experiences? IP: Logged |
Hello Pleiades
Newflake Posts: 20
From: Seattle, WA, US
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posted September 13, 2011 02:58 PM
Very interesting topic Xiiro, I would like to actually see the chart mentioned in your last example for further interpretation. I have some relation to this in a way, my sun is in sag in the 8th house, 11 deg. with pluto conjunct mercury in scorpio along side it, 22, 23. These two (plu, merc) are in a grand water trine with pisces moon in the 12th and mars in cancer, 4th house. I am aries rising, denoting that my ruling planet is mars locked in this water trine. In my experience with my sag sun and rising rising aries, the fire signs are an energetic catalyst to my more watered down inner self, that is more alone, sensitive and a psychoanalyst of myself.IP: Logged |
maira
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posted September 13, 2011 03:23 PM
I think I have this in my natal - lots of Scorpio energy without having the actual planets.Pluto in 1st
Pluto opposed Sun-Ven-Mars conjunction
Moon in 8th opposite Lilith
Lilith, Juno, Vertex in Scorpio (this part eludes me, never been familiar with asteroids and such). IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted September 13, 2011 04:06 PM
Welcome!------------------
I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order, as they should be. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted September 13, 2011 04:07 PM
yeah, of course.  I have no planets (except Jupiter) in Pisces, but Neptune conjunct ASC and NN
Neptune conjunct Mars
Mars in 12th
dispositor of Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC in Pisces
chartruler square Neptune (mutual reception)
I do not have any planets (except Uranus) in Scorpio either, yet:
Pluto conjunct MC
Pluto square Venus
Pluto sextile Mars
Pluto sextile Neptune and NN
Pluto trine DESC
Ruler of 2 (Venus-house) in 8th house
ruler of 8 in 2nd house
ruler of 2 quinkunx ruler of 8th
Moondispositor in Scorpio
Saturn in 8 and Pluto in 10 (a house-based mutual recpetion?)
Neptune and Pluto definitely are rather strong in my life and personality. IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted September 13, 2011 04:10 PM
This is almost always the case with natal charts. People tend to be complex, dynamic individuals, so a chart should reflect that.Ie: Sun in Aquarius... however, Sun and Mercury (my chart ruler) are in the 9th, rulers of the Sun (Saturn/Uranus) are in Sag. Jupiter sextiles Sun/Mercury and opposes Moon as well as trine my Sag Mars. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted September 13, 2011 04:24 PM
Personally I think that is when the "real" work of an astrologer starts; seeing these patterns and integrating them in an interpretation. That is the challenge and the art of it. In my case it is clear to see that there is one pattern of Venus/Pluto in my chart that is relating more to Taurus/Scorpio than Libra/Scorpio really.
It`s only one pattern (there are more in any chart), but it is a significant one, just judging from the frequency it is being mentioned in different ways (Venus square Pluto, ruler of 2 in 8th, ruler of 8th in 2nd, ruler of 2nd inconjunct ruler of 8th). IP: Logged |
Xiiro
Knowflake Posts: 185
From: San Diego CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted September 13, 2011 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by Hello Pleiades:
Very interesting topic Xiiro, I would like to actually see the chart mentioned in your last example for further interpretation.
Here is that chart: 
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NickiG
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posted September 13, 2011 09:13 PM
ok, i'll playGem Asc, unaspected
Scorpio sun conjunct mercury singleton in sag (sun in late degree)
Scorpio sun in 6th house square leo moon in 3rd house
Pluto conjunct mars in scorpio sextile venus, saturn and neptune in the 8th house
Saturn, venus, and neptune in capricorn (uranus singleton (in 7th house, also in capricorn) loosely conjuncts saturn and neptune) very strong gemini-scorpio-capricorn influence in my chart...i also have an air void so my chart makes up for that with my 2 singletons and ascendant ------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 13, 2011 09:40 PM
I think I have a general idea of what the OP is saying. I have a lot more Pluto energy going on than it appears at first glance, because I have a pileup in the eighth, and my chart ruler is in Scorpio...that kinda thing. Neptune energy is stronger in me than it appears at first too despite nothing in Pisces (and only my south node in the 12th house) because it's a singleton in my chart.I actually think this is where stuff like the Pullen Chart Delineation comes in really handy, because it basically does all the math for you and tallies this stuff up so you can see all that. A lot of people end up surprised when they get their results and see they're way heavier in energies that they didn't expect, because Pullen factors in stuff like house placement and aspects too. IP: Logged |
racole12
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posted September 13, 2011 10:26 PM
I have been curious about this... Since I'm a Sag Sun, Sun conj Neptune, Merc conj Sun... all in the 6th house. So, all 4 mutable energies in one place. IP: Logged |
Hello Pleiades
Newflake Posts: 20
From: Seattle, WA, US
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 14, 2011 04:30 AM
I am also a sag sun guy with an aries rising but your moon opposes mine by a five degree orb Xiiro. Racole, you must have a very crazy, mystic, adventurous everyday life with colleagues, not to mention you probably have sort of a fuzzy brain in the first place, " I know a few people with this arrangement. Although, your daily life and work towards others and your self is probably full of philosophical inspirations and conversations. Sag Power Girl! :Sagittarius:IP: Logged |
Xiiro
Knowflake Posts: 185
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posted September 14, 2011 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by Hello Pleiades:
I am also a sag sun guy with an aries rising but your moon opposes mine by a five degree orb Xiiro.
I would love to see your chart if you don't mind posting it. I find it pretty cool that you have an opposing Moon. The Virgo Moon is great at reigning in my explosively expansive Sag energy and gives a telescopic/microscopic range of vision on useful days. How do you find the square from the other side of the wheel effects your Sun? Do you observe with a Foresight/Insight type of vision? IP: Logged |
Hello Pleiades
Newflake Posts: 20
From: Seattle, WA, US
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 14, 2011 05:58 AM
Here is my chart, http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?btyp=w2at;rs=3&nhor=1&cid=nikfile6xVjV0-u1315992906 As you can see, there's a lot more going on with the moon situation for me. I am definitely insightful in my everyday experiences but not as foresightful, it takes me awhile. My pisces moon spaces me out and a lot of times I forget things short term. I think the water helps my sag life with sun in the eight house over the course of my life, a sort of sensitive and intuitive philosophical journey, but also deeply passionate with the mars, pluto, and mercury. IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted September 14, 2011 06:19 AM
All that Capricorn, Deep defined intuitive emotion. What cracks me up is how strongly your chart wants that Saturn in Aquarius to take center stage. Would I be correct in assuming you view life with "Rational Imagination" and can become very frustrated when reality is not as bendy outside your self as it is inside?Also, do you mind if I ask if there is a theme of gender struggle in your life? I really appreciate what your chart is doing with Aquarius's energy. It's the first time I have seen someone so intensely want to ease Aquarius into a rational, method without restricting it's path. In my generation Uranus is in Scorpio, so we also have a desire to add some gravity to the Aquarian energy. IP: Logged |
Hello Pleiades
Newflake Posts: 20
From: Seattle, WA, US
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 14, 2011 09:50 PM
Interesting how you zoomed in on my Saturn energy, coinciding with my Uranus; I definitely agree with your term "rational imagination". I wouldn't go as far as to say gender struggle with my chart, at least not that thought literally but I do have a lot of feminine qualities in my chart. I'm pretty sure I'm on to the reasons for your inkling of the struggle but can you explain? IP: Logged |
laurenbabiiee7
Newflake Posts: 18
From: new brunswick, nj usa
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posted September 15, 2011 12:50 AM
i have this alot going on in my chart too!!so im a capricorn sun
trined with jupiter
conjunct uranus
conjunct neptune so in my sun i basically have all the elements!
my saturn is also in aquarius jupiter in virgo
trine uranus
trine neptune uranus neptune in midheaven as well on cafeastrology my asc is pisces trine venus in scorpio trine pluto in scorpio
opposition jupiter
square mars
other websites it says im aries 0 degrees moon in libra
sextile mars in sagittarius IP: Logged |
Xiiro
Knowflake Posts: 185
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posted September 15, 2011 01:47 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Hello Pleiades:
I wouldn't go as far as to say gender struggle with my chart, at least not that thought literally but I do have a lot of feminine qualities in my chart. I'm pretty sure I'm on to the reasons for your inkling of the struggle but can you explain?
In your chart you have a strong duality theme. Mars/Venus ruling your ASC/DSC, Mars/Venus opposing at your MC/IC. Jupiter in Libra (and really any planet in an Air sign) indicates a need to explore and evolve based on differences or contrasts. In your case, Jupiter hangs out in the 6th house which often deals with struggles regarding where you are serving out of philanthropy, and when you are being forced to serve. Pluto in Scorpio (especially conjunct Mercury) can view events in extremes, black or white, this or that, weakness or strength, failure or triumph. Having such a strong Yang ASC, ruled by a Yin Mars, ruled by a Mega Yin Moon, mixed with the Venus/Mars dynamic, Mixed with Saturn in Aquarius which doesn't put much effort into judging reality based on silly ideas like physical gender. I wonder how that Saturn addresses what it may consider to be simple "vibratory fluctuation" in contrast to Pluto/Mercury's desire to classify, define, and understand absolutely every aspect of the native's reality?
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Xiiro
Knowflake Posts: 185
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posted September 15, 2011 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by laurenbabiiee7:
i have this alot going on in my chart too!!so im a capricorn sun
trined with jupiter
conjunct uranus
conjunct neptune so in my sun i basically have all the elements!
Very cool! I especially like the element play with your Sun. =)
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Hello Pleiades
Newflake Posts: 20
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posted September 15, 2011 05:42 AM
Wow, I didn't really think of it that way, I have a grand square between my ASC/DEC and their rulers. I've had a lot of trouble with temper in my life, and love, bits of weird experimentation early in my life and all can be seen by this quirky little set up you mentioned. Mars oppose Venus can be very impulsive, with my ruling planet retrograde as well this has been a very strong theme in my life with impulsive emotional control issues; Along with my square from saturn to mercury, often times I get really hard on myself about ways of communication, especially with friends, it has always made me feel the need to hear that I'm doing fine or communicating well with others, for I think I'm slow at times. To tell you the truth, I think that that intense set up with merc and pluto to saturn, it's so much more dramatic, and I can be much too self conscious about my speed of thoughts even though the end product is cold calculated an clear in the end. I must tell you, I have been inspired to look much deeper into my chart, noticing one of the biggest aspects I never have before in my chart, Neptune and Uranus square my Jupiter.IP: Logged |
Xiiro
Knowflake Posts: 185
From: San Diego CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted September 15, 2011 12:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hello Pleiades:
I must tell you, I have been inspired to look much deeper into my chart, noticing one of the biggest aspects I never have before in my chart, Neptune and Uranus square my Jupiter.
Seems like some pretty cool possibilities with that square. "Inability to expand without a true vision and understanding of how your service to others results in the composition of your spirit, and urgent desire to hold back growth until you are fully capable of utilizing your experience." OR "Solid/Supported and Idealistic Illusions forcing you to continuously seek or remain attached to states of service to others, based on the belief that sacrifice of self will result in good karma (and if anything, good learning experiences for applying later on your path)". The problem with the latter is, repetition rarely produces different results. Neptune and Uranus make great playmates, but they also make fantastic schizophrenics hehe. Keep in mind also, your NN is in Sag 9th House. Sag has a perfect understanding of service without being a martyr (Pisces) or a slave (Virgo). Sag serves by teaching, by sharing truth (which holds the highest value to them). SN Gemini 3rd can caution us that we are very comfortable dwelling in our mind and engaging our environment without investing in our actions. Having Mercury in Capricorn myself, I can imaging how difficult that can be. Whenever I wander off into an unhealthy mental path, I always have a sturdy and methodical reason for why it is justified. Gemini questions self, Sag questions life. If you find you are questioning your self, you are likely acting out of an old pattern which could result in the more negative expression of your Jupiter square (remember, Venus is close enough to play a part in this square too). IP: Logged |
sand
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posted September 15, 2011 01:49 PM
hmm.. very few people peg me for a taurus sun but a lot also tell me i'm light for a scorpio rising or a scorpio/ water dominant. i've seen this alot though on the boards. light plutonians lol. also those are really majority of my placements so if not taurus or scorpio what is it? i don't mean i don't feel them though as i connect with readings more often than not.pullen gives me something like...
dominant signs: scorpio, taurus, aries
dominant planets: venus, pluto, mars
dominant elements: water, earth  IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 15, 2011 07:01 PM
My Pullen Results :Planets 1.) Venus 15.5%
2.) Pluto 14.0%
3.) Sun 13.3% Signs 1.)Libra 27.9%
2.)Scorpio 15.5%
3.)Leo 14.8% Element 1.)Air 37.8%
2.)Water 23.8%
3.)Fire 23.0% A Preponderance of the AIR element
The preponderance of Air signs suggest a strong emphasis on thought, ideas and intellectual pursuits of one sort or another. There is a detachment and a sense of objectivity associated with such a heavy influence in the element of Air. Air signs communicate and express ideas with mental agility. Your Air signs may not, however, always get the job done, and you need to be sure ideas are grounded in reality and put to practical use. You are probably more concerned with theory than with application. Often, individuals having a heavy amounts of Air signs become the impractical dreamers, constantly thinking, but not always following through as well as others. Rational and logical, you analyze situations fully, thinking them through and planning carefully before you act. While you may ponder and vacillate, you rarely make foolish mistakes. Detached and not overly emotional, you are almost always objective and fair-minded. You are people-oriented, but more inclined toward the group than the individual. Your interests are varied, and you're apt to be a life-long student.
Air and Water Type
Although you often feel pulled between intellectual and emotional orientations of life, heavy doses of Air and Water elements can make you very much attuned to both realms of experience. Neither the abstract nor the feeling-intuitive world is alien to you, and you are thus able to develop a mode of operation that encompasses both types of perception. This results in your being able to give depth to your ideas and in your ability to gain detachment and perspective on feelings and deeper yearnings. You are physically and psychologically sensitive; a dreamer, an escapist, perhaps a little fantasy-prone. You have an amazingly fertile imagination and specialized skills for dealing with people. You know how to tune in to people, and communicate concisely. http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html#AIR
Mode
1.)Fixed 40.5%
2.)Cardinal 34.1%
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