posted October 27, 2011 08:46 PM            

Mars in Scorpio makes someone very aware of their own mortality. It actually makes them want to be invincible, think Charlie Sheen. But that's just denial. Aging might allow this person who you are concerned about to accept their own fate, we all will someday. Death is transitional as is everything else in existence. Scorpio/Pluto makes someone very aware of this.

I have Pluto in the 8th and I've got an incredible will power, I truly believe I can survive anything and have pushed myself to the limit one too many times. Maybe it's true that I can handle incredible feats, but I'm human. And maybe this person feels that way but it takes maturity to admit that you're not invincible, some things are too much for the body and one day we all have to face that, our own mortality. Give this person time, they'll see the truth one day.

posted October 27, 2011 09:20 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Thanks Joan for feedback. He literately doesn't want to die. Death is something he cannot control and mars in scorpio likes to be in control, you add this sense of invincibility and this could explain his fear of death.

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It definitely could. I'm very controlling also but only with myself. I can be obsessive about everything including my body because it's the only thing I can truly control.

As you mentioned someone with Mars in Scorpio or dominant Pluto/Scorpio has very strong regenerative abilities and it makes someone resilient. Nothing happens to me subtly, things always happen in extremes. If I catch the cold, it's crippling. But I can get through anything pretty quickly. I've had my knuckles crushed and burned, I've also caught my fingers in a door and lost finger nails and you wouldn't know anything happened to each of my hands because not a scar insight everything healed and grew back quickly. My hands actually look delicate.

posted October 27, 2011 09:38 PM            

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Could it be nessus square pluto?

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posted October 27, 2011 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:
i sorta think this topic goes beyond the natal chart, not saying that there are characteristic tendencies that can influence it as well, like his taurus rising or cancer moon but that it might stem from soul level and what the consciousness is ready to grasp and understand at this life time

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I think that Joan is right about it having to do with mars in scorpio. I should mention his dad died when he was 13 and his mars in scorpio opposes chiron (perhaps this represents the wound of his father's death but the description for this aspect doesn't talk about death its a hypothesis)......this wound has never fully been healed. I think the taurus rising and moon in cancer further reinforce this fear. I also think you are right that it goes beyond the chart as fear is deep enough to make me think that some past life trauma is involved as well.

Joan I think you are really self aware and as a result as you age will master your challenges (issues). I sense that you are like me and care a lot about personal growth so I sense you have come a long way with your challenges and will continue growing much more .

posted October 27, 2011 09:50 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by amelia28:
[b]Could it be nessus square pluto?

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WOW thank you This is really helpful....yes Neptune in 8th! ohhh he has considered suicide but he tells me he doesn't have the guts to go through with it thankfully.

The other day he gave me a scare actually but nothing ended up happening as I calmed him down.

posted October 27, 2011 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I think that Joan is right about it having to do with mars in scorpio. I should mention his dad died when he was 13 and his mars in scorpio squares chiron (perhaps this represents the wound of his father's death)......this wound has never fully been healed. I think the taurus rising and moon in cancer further reinforce this fear. I also think you are right that it goes beyond the chart as fear is deep enough to make me think that some past life trauma is involved as well.

Joan I think you are really self aware and as a result as you age will master your challenges (issues). I sense that you are like me and care a lot about personal growth so I sense you have come a long way with your challenges and will continue growing much more .

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posted October 28, 2011 01:15 AM            

Thanks Joan...he is light and fun like a libra but also very intense like a scorpio when frustrated, agitated or angry if moving forward is threatened or his security is threatened. It goes back and force. When he is like a libra his moon in cancer joins in and is like you can't help but love him then bc his charms, cuteness, sweetness and innocence are all activated. When his moon feels threatened his mars in turn becomes activated which also activates his leo in venus since his venus squares mars and it gets too intense and his behavior turns into what I view as an adult temper tantrum.

posted October 28, 2011 02:45 AM            

He has feared death for as long as I have known him so for a little over 4.5 years and he does worry about his health but doesn't take care of it as nearly as much as he would like bc when he feels uncertain he gravitates towards food not great for him and this is coming from someone who if you hear him talk about what is healthy he has pretty high standards. The inconjunct gets in the way of him committing to these ideals of health he has. It must be why he self sabotages his want to project power by taking care of his health and having his daily affairs in order like you explained.

I think mars in scorpio in an angular house plus neptune in the 8th and asc/pluto inconjunct explains his fear of death. All the transits you mentioned I suspect are forcing him to become more aware of this fear, confront it and deal with it hopefully.

Is nice to know that transit involving trine mercury in scorpio in the 6th and neptune will help him deal with this fear further in a way he will feel more comfortable.

posted October 29, 2011 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
In addition to the astrology side, I would also wonder if *how* his father died, whether or not he was there or saw it happen, and *how* the family handled the death might also be significant, as well as his age at the time. While 13 isn't super-young (as opposed to, say, three or four years old), a 13-year-old would probably handle death much differently than an 18-year-old. If his father was the first person close to him who died, that also might make a difference. In addition, if he talked to someone about it (as in a counselor) after it happened, and worked through the grief and fear, that also might factor into his attitude about death.

Some fear of death is healthy--few people really want to go running toward it and are excited about it--but since it's something that we're all going to have to face, it's important to have a healthy attitude about it. Death can't be changed; we all have to die. It's the price that we pay for being able to be alive--it's the "fine print" and the "catch". Personally, I believe in an afterlife, so for me this life is just the beginning of a much longer journey and adventure that will continue. And if there is no afterlife, we go peacefully to rest. The only thing that I worry about is ending up in hell, if there is one (personally, I believe that there is), but all that I can do is to try to live the best life that I can.

I'm really glad, though, that this person has someone in his life who is being supportive and caring. That will make a world of difference as he moves forward and comes to terms with this unavoidable part of life.

For what it's worth, I have a Cancer moon in the 8th house (Scorpio's house) and also Venus and Pluto in Scorpio, 12th house. I'm very much aware of death as well as all of the horrible things that can happen to a person in life (I won't get into all of that in detail, as I don't want to give anyone nightmares or freak anyone out, but suffice to say that I'm thinking of bodily injuries of the permanent variety). I'm very painfully aware that I'm not immune to any of the horrors of life. To be honest, life scares me more than death does, as does aging. I don't want to die right now, but I'm terrified of having a horrible illness or ending up in a home or having dementia. Life is full of horrific possibilities (though also beautiful ones). Death is the end of this phase. Whatever happens after death happens. I believe in divine justice and so I'll get what I deserve. I'm a bit afraid of what I might deserve, but it will be just. If there is no afterlife, then nothing else can happen to me. That's just kind of my take on it.

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He wasn't there when his dad died he was living with mother and dad was remarried to a gold digger after mother divorced him bc she was concerned for his health. He regrets not been there bc he feels that he was avoiding it. I explain to him that he was a child and I could understand why he didn't have the maturity to cope with a situation like this and not to be hard on himself. His dad didnt take care of his health so he died in his late 50s or early 60s.

His fear of death goes deeper than his dad dying. His brother is 14 years older than him and has a big fear of death to. I think is connected to his mars in scorpio, having neptune in 8th and the pluto in 6th inconjunct ascendent. I think his brother and him have past life trauma and their father dying young was no accident, it happened so that they confront this deep fear of death and heal. Just my take on it .

I have 8th cusp in cancer too and 12th cusp in scorpio as well. You must be a sag rising I take it. Anyways this would mean that our moon is ruled by pluto? and what does that mean?

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posted October 29, 2011 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Thanks for clarifying!

I think that you're absolutely right in what you told him about how he was a very young child and that he wasn't ready for that sort of thing. And, again, I hope that he'll be able to find comfort and healing. He's lucky to have you around to help him through this.

And yes, I have a Sag ascendant, plus two planets in Sag. Also have two Sag parents and numerous Sag acquaintances and relatives. I'm surrounded by archers ;-)

(that picture is from Teen Girl Squad, in case anyone is curious; thought I had put that in earlier; edited to include that; couldn't help but think of it when thinking of archers and arrows)

*I use the whole sign system*

Libra Sun, Mercury
Scorpio Venus
Capricorn Mars
Cancer Moon

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LOL it must be really nice to be surrounded by so much optimism!!!

posted October 29, 2011 04:20 PM            

I think having an unaspected moon in cancer will give you an intense need for security and will make you fear change. Mercury in the 8th will give an attraction to the occult and neptune in the 12th will make you very spiritual and compassionate and the fact they trine will make you psychic (lol which you are).

Amelia

posted October 29, 2011 04:35 PM            

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Ami,

I think having an unaspected moon in cancer will give you an intense need for security and will make you fear change. Mercury in the 8th will give an attraction to the occult and neptune in the 12th will make you very spiritual and compassionate and the fact they trine will make you psychic (lol which you are).

Amelia

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Thank you Amelia, maybe the moon is the culprit. It has a 7 degree conjunction with Mars and a 6 degree trine with Saturn. Some astrologers would call it unaspected, though.

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posted October 29, 2011 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I think it's because of Neptune in the 8th; he probably sees death as some foggy, unknown thing. And for a lot of people, things they don't understand or that are unknown to them, are scary as hell.

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And you combine this with the need to be in control of mars in scorpio with the fogginess about death matters of neptune in the 8th and you get intense fear of death.

posted October 30, 2011 04:53 AM            

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.....i thought it was a natural fear though. you mean other people that are aware in some way of the concept of death totally do not feel fear of it?

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Ok I fear death......I want to die either sleeping or having an orgasm. Any other way of dying I find scary but my husband gets goosebumps and a look of horror in his face when he is forced to think about death. He wants to live forever and is looking forward to when technology gets advanced enough so this is possible. In other words compare to everyone else I know except for his brother he fears death clearly in my eyes more than the average person bc everyone else I know or knew does not fear death to the degree he does.