posted December 01, 2011 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by maira:
Saturn in hard aspect to personal planets, especially Moon-Saturn. From personal experience, Saturn in 12th.

It's the planet that rules melancholia, amongst other things. It took me quite some time to realize how melancholic Capricorns really are underneath that organized, stern exterior they present to the world.

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So someone with sat in first house with cap rising wpuld exhibit this too?

I get depressed though, it comes and goes, it was a lot worse before. I have Saturn conjunct Ascendant. Im not a cap though, but according to my vedic chart, I have a
Cap rising
Cap sun House 12
Aqua moon House 1
Aqua venus House 1
Cap Mercury House 1
Cap Saturn House 1
Gemini Mars House 4
Pluto Scorp House 9
Jupiter Virgo House 8
Uranus Sag House 12
Neptune Sag House 12
True Node Scorpio house 10
Chiron Cancer house 7

posted December 01, 2011 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I am very curious too about this topic since my friend has suffered from bipolar his whole life and is quite the struggle for him. He has sun square pluto and he can be negative and it can turn into a self fulfilling prophecy so at least that one contributing aspect to it but alone it can't be enough. He also has cap rising. Looking forward to seeing other responses.

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posted December 01, 2011 10:16 PM            

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- The Sun or Moon conjunct, square or opposing Saturn or Pluto

- Mars conjunct, square or opposing Saturn or Pluto

- Saturn in the 4th, 8th, or 12th houses.

- Venus conjunct, square or opposing Saturn are notorious for depression. They feel lonely and feel that they had a deprived childhood. Some of them feel unloved and isolated.

- Natal Moon square or opposition to Saturn is usually prone to depression or self-pity.

- People with a square or opposition to Jupiter and Saturn may have problems with being able to save money. If the aspect is just an opposition, sometimes it can mean that that the person can suffer from manic-depression (bipolar).

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posted December 01, 2011 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Nicole401:
- The Sun or Moon conjunct, square or opposing Saturn or Pluto

- Mars conjunct, square or opposing Saturn or Pluto

- Saturn in the 4th, 8th, or 12th houses.

- Venus conjunct, square or opposing Saturn are notorious for depression. They feel lonely and feel that they had a deprived childhood. Some of them feel unloved and isolated.

- Natal Moon square or opposition to Saturn is usually prone to depression or self-pity.

- People with a square or opposition to Jupiter and Saturn may have problems with being able to save money. If the aspect is just an opposition, sometimes it can mean that that the person can suffer from manic-depression (bipolar).

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I have a lot of these things.

posted December 02, 2011 06:28 AM            

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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
So someone with sat in first house with cap rising wpuld exhibit this too?

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Yes, most definitely. Strong Saturn would do that.
Nicole, thank you for the list! I forgot about it, but it's a good one. My guess is that Pluto would bring a different type of depression, one associated with self destruction and self loathing. To put it this way, if one were to commit suicide because of depression, Saturn would be resigned and plan it carefully, while Pluto would have a moment of insanity and go down in flames (of passion).

posted December 02, 2011 06:35 AM            

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Originally posted by maira:
Yes, most definitely. Strong Saturn would do that.
Nicole, thank you for the list! I forgot about it, but it's a good one. My guess is that Pluto would bring a different type of depression, one associated with self destruction and self loathing. To put it this way, if one were to commit suicide because of depression, Saturn would be resigned and plan it carefully, while Pluto would have a moment of insanity and go down in flames (of passion).

Rambling over

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Saturn can play out any number of ways and doesn't necessarily always manifest as depression. Could just make someone really severe and overly-serious in nature.

But to stay on subject, in terms of depression in general, that's strictly the domain of Saturn.

posted December 02, 2011 07:05 AM            

She has Saturn in Leo in 3rd house, but it is trine her chartruler Moon.
I think the trine helped her to channel any depressive thoughts.

I myself would not call myself depressed, but I have my "moods" and am quite good in "beating myself up" mentally. I am picking myself up after a certain time though. You can`t keep that Sagittarian "everything`s going to be alright" inner knowledge pressed down for long.

posted December 02, 2011 08:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Nicole401:
[QUOTE] - The Sun or Moon conjunct, square or opposing Saturn or Pluto

- Mars conjunct, square or opposing Saturn or Pluto

- Saturn in the 4th, 8th, or 12th houses.

- Venus conjunct, square or opposing Saturn are notorious for depression. They feel lonely and feel that they had a deprived childhood. Some of them feel unloved and isolated.

- Natal Moon square or opposition to Saturn is usually prone to depression or self-pity.

- People with a square or opposition to Jupiter and Saturn may have problems with being able to save money. If the aspect is just an opposition, sometimes it can mean that that the person can suffer from manic-depression (bipolar).

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I have;

Sun Semisquare Pluto
Sun Square Saturn
Moon Opposite Saturn
Mars Square Saturn
Venus Sextile Saturn
Jupiter Opposite Saturn
Moon Opposite Uranus

Mercury Square Saturn

I guess i'm doomed.

posted December 02, 2011 09:23 AM            

Sometimes the challenges are just exceeding the usual.
But as my great grandmother used to say: "God only sends the package to each person, that they are able to carry."

So I guess you must be a very strong person.

EDIT:
My great grandmother grew up between two world wars, had to give up her home and posession, being on her own with two small girls for many years, escaped a "fated death" with luck, and had to bury her eldest daughter, my grandmother, as a grown up, but still young (my grandmother was 36 years old when she died, leaving behind 4 children and a husband), and she never talked about what happened on the way over the frozen baltic sea, at the "great escape".
But my paternal grandma who also needed to leave her home and escape, told me about what happened to her, and thousands of women and girls in times of war, and believe me part of me wished I had never heard!

So, I figured if these women did NOT give up and fought her way through for pure survival, who am I to give up on life?

(well, other reason is I genuinely love life ).

Excuse that rambling.

posted December 02, 2011 09:43 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
--I do that too.

I think it is both helpful and hurtful.

Hurtful, because it can lead to self-hate, embarrassment, humiliation, and just an overall really dark place.

Helpful, because I have an INTENSE need to know the truth about myself and about my relationships with people, no matter how bad it is. I'm not like this in every area in life, and I don't go looking for trouble, but if I can't figure something out about relationships and people, it just bugs the hell out of me and I HAVE to know. I can't stand not knowing in that area. Venus conjunct Pluto in the 12th.

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PS do you have an Aquarius Mercury? I have a Libra Mercury and was curious if other air Mercury people (and possibly water Mercury people too) did the same thing.

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posted December 02, 2011 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
BLESS YOU. You GET IT.

I can't stand it when I don't know where I stand with people or when I don't know what they think of me. I hate it when people confuse the hell out of me by being nice in person and very, very cold not-in-person. My heart both *literally* and metaphorically feels really heavy right now. I hate this feeling. WHY do people have to play games and WHY can't they just be honest with me? Frustrates me a lot. I really care a lot about the people who hurt me like this and I even *like* them quite a bit; I just wish that they cared back.

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I gte you completely, don't worry.
But also take into consideration sometimes we can be self-absorbed, meaning we think the world revolves around us. But what we do not know is sometimes people are going through very hard times in their life, hence why you or even me at times construe their hot/coldness when it's actually them distancing not because of you, because they are going through some things and need to get them straightened out. Get what i mean? I mean there are people that blatantly play mind games, but I dont think everyone does. Its fairly obvious to see who is what and who is who. Sometimes people are going through very personal things they can't talk about hence why they might be distancing.

But air mercuries I find have to know things, they like honesty, don't like the games, not sure about gem mercury. But this holds true for libra and aquarius mercury.. They want to know things, no hidden messages just straight up truths, and when we are not given these truths it can be painful, so we will keep digging and digging. Air mercuries are very restless in the head department.

posted December 02, 2011 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
There is no such thing as "being doomed".

Sometimes the challenges are just exceeding the usual.
But as my great grandmother used to say: "God only sends the package to each person, that they are able to carry."

So I guess you must be a very strong person.

EDIT:
My great grandmother grew up between two world wars, had to give up her home and posession, being on her own with two small girls for many years, escaped a "fated death" with luck, and had to bury her eldest daughter, my grandmother, as a grown up, but still young (my grandmother was 36 years old when she died, leaving behind 4 children and a husband), and she never talked about what happened on the way over the frozen baltic sea, at the "great escape".
But my paternal grandma who also needed to leave her home and escape, told me about what happened to her, and thousands of women and girls in times of war, and believe me part of me wished I had never heard!

So, I figured if these women did NOT give up and fought her way through for pure survival, who am I to give up on life?

(well, other reason is I genuinely love life ).

Excuse that rambling.

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Haha I know i'm not really doomed, I hope... Thank you, you're very kind for saying so. I am always amazed at what people can go through.