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lindisfarne
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posted January 08, 2012 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
people tell me i am very mature for my age, but for one thing i don't really believe them simply because i am not as emotionally mature as i wish to be. this comes in the form of understanding and patience. i have absolutely no idea how to be a patient person.

i can resort to being pushy and slightly aggressive when i cannot get my way. some people have told me that i must try to be more understanding and patient towards them or things but i have absolutely no idea how to do that. when i want something, i want it now, it's hard for me to accept "no" in these circumstances, "no" doesn't make sense to me. if i continue i know that this will ruin a lot of prospects for me in the future. including relationships. i don't hear the word 'no' i cannot grasp that concept it makes absolutely no sense to me. when someone tells me 'no' i get confused and my instinct is to be more pushy. i really want to stop. im not always like this but im like this in relationships. in other words how can i stop acting like a spoiled baby when i can't get my way?

what is the secret to being a patient or understanding person? why do other signs have a better time being understanding? for example most of my taurus friends are very patient people and i envy them for it.

here is my chart

I want to be a patient person so badly. did anyone have this problem when you were my age or still have this problem? what is the secret to being patient? im going to assume all my fixed aquarian energy doesn't help!

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posted January 08, 2012 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All the Aquarius I know are pushy and aggressive when they don't get their way. I find Cancer can make someone assertive (though not really aggressive).

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Capriquarius
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posted January 08, 2012 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Sun is in Aquarius, a my-way-or-the-highway sign as far as ideals go, and it's in your House of unconscious so you at least are in touch with your weak spot (i.e. source of undoing)....you "light up" that part of you that is your own worst enemy and are able to own up to it. This is something you may take for granted but costs others years and $$$$ in therapy.

The first step is acknowledging a problem. This is a strength of yours.

You can change your lack of patience if you feel this is necessary for your growth. Not because somebody else has this virtue called patience.

Xoxo

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lindisfarne
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posted January 08, 2012 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
All the Aquarius I know are pushy and aggressive when they don't get their way. I find Cancer can make someone assertive (though not really aggressive).

I am pushy and aggressive. and if else fails, i become creative and resort to manipulative tactics to get what i want. Im not proud of this. I really am not but I do think i have come a long way, because awhile ago being manipulative and creative was something of a sport to me that i did enjoy, but not I find that it is very wrong and I feel guilty when I have to resort to doing this, bending other peoples will to do things my way. I just dont get it. I will be frank, this is a core belief of mine: I am the center of the universe, therefore I should be the center of your universe so when someone tells me "no" or "im busy" i become enraged and in comes the pushiness/aggressiveness/unbendable determination... when I set my sights on something i cannot change it, it HAS to happen and it WILL happen I become relentless. Im not proud of it. Its worked in areas of my career, and other things but in relationships its poison. Because subconsiously I am telling that person, "Nope. I do not respect YOUR boundaries. I do not respect YOU and YOUR own needs. You must do everything I say/want to do. No? No such thing as No. You'll say yes eventually and ill make sure of it." Lol. Thats how I am. Its so bad. I want to change. Everyone tells me "be patient/understanding" but no one will give me the instructions...

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lindisfarne
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posted January 08, 2012 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Your Sun is in Aquarius, a my-way-or-the-highway sign as far as ideals go, and it's in your House of unconscious so you at least are in touch with your weak spot (i.e. source of undoing)....you "light up" that part of you that is your own worst enemy and are able to own up to it. This is something you may take for granted but costs others years and $$$$ in therapy.

The first step is acknowledging a problem. This is a strength of yours.

You can change your lack of patience if you feel this is necessary for your growth. Not because somebody else has this virtue called patience.

Xoxo


I want to change but its so difficult. Its like I am attacking my self in some way. I only find my determination is a problem when I don't accept that other people have other things/agendas etc. I feel I always know whats best, and when someone doesn't agree I blow up. Not tantrum style, but I get really hyper lots of energy and that's all towards how I can persuade them because there's just absolutely no way someone can NOT agree with my way. Thats a problem because it's immature, is it not?

I dont know how to change, I actually am not welcoming of change either.

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lindisfarne
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posted January 08, 2012 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also can anyone here relate?
When someone tells me "no" i automatically think its some kind of mental game. Its not that I minimize the meaning of no.. its just that its kind of fun for me. I become crazy competitive and do whatever I will and can to bend their will. I hate not being in charge.

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posted January 08, 2012 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's human to resist change. I'm sure you'll change if/when necessary.

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juniperb
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posted January 08, 2012 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An Aquarian is more apt to question the no rather that hit the highway response.

The air is mental and wants a darn good reason for being told no. Then it`s worked out.
They may hit the highway yet may understand the why it`s no.

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~

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lindisfarne
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posted January 08, 2012 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
An Aquarian is more apt to question the no rather that hit the highway response.

The air is mental and wants a darn good reason for being told no. Then it`s worked out.
They may hit the highway yet may understand the why it`s no.



Yes thats how I am, "What do you mean no? What does no mean? Why are you telling me no? What are you doing that you cannot do what i am asking of you?" If it still isn't reasonable to me thats when I start being pushy, trying to bend their will. If i dont understand something it makes no sense to me therefore in my view of things, it CAN be changed/manipulated. I dont really have a grasp on limits to be honest with you, especially when it doesn't mold in with my vision or ideal. I have always been a determined person, but I take it too far.

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Linda Jones
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posted January 08, 2012 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love the Rumi qoute, Juniperb.

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juniperb
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posted January 09, 2012 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Note to self aka other Aquarians, God didn`t die and make our ideals the Divine Law.

The Law must be shared among others with righteous ideals, rather they vibrate with us or not.

It`s that simple. Make mental space for another to have ideals and hold steady to them. It does NOT take away from you but rather enhances the richness of what an ideal is and can become with a shared effort.

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~

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posted January 09, 2012 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Linda Jones

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~

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posted January 09, 2012 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by juniperb:
Note to self aka other Aquarians, God didn`t die and make our ideals the Divine Law.

The Law must be shared among others with righteous ideals, rather they vibrate with us or not.

It`s that simple. Make mental space for another to have ideals and hold steady to them. It does NOT take away from you but rather enhances the richness of what an ideal is and can become with a shared effort.



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posted January 13, 2012 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
was there a male sibling born age3? Age 7 anyone die, disappear?

The impatience is due to mars retro opp uranus...

quote:

Mars and Uranus excites to competition and arouses others to challenge you. You're demanding and authoritative. You thrive on argument, even when you aren't serious about it. Because of these assertive leanings, you can make an excellent salesperson, but you may have some problems with human relations. You don't tolerate restrictions of your freedom and mobility, needing to be constantly on the move. You may be attracted to hazardous activities such as flying, racing, exploring, or mountain climbing. Because you are accident prone, these and other similar pastimes are not recommended. You must be careful and take safety precautions. Avoid desires to throw caution to the winds, because you need not prove yourself in these ways. You may not be an easy person to live with because of periodic outbursts of temper and sometimes cantankerous attitude. A revolutionary, you are likely to oppose tradition with its limits on individuality. You want your way, and can be critical of any authority.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/marsaspects.html#maour

What you will find is that as you age, approx 25 you sun will progress into pisces for next 30years and your Asc and Mc will progress. This is the 'maturing process' that we all have to go through

You should also researched your packed 12th house
Uranus in l2th House – cadent house
Strengthens your intuition psychic abilities and clairvoyance to a high degree. You will have a great desire to help your fellow man. You may join secret organisations and interested in yoga meditation etc. Bring inventions down to earth. May suffer health-wise if you don't use its energies! Good position for researchers or those who work behind the scenes.Person apt to be a loner. Tremendous desire to feel free but often feels confined.Self-control a necessity for they can be their own worst enemy. In dealing with people and situations this person must use persuasion and not force.An internal stress possibly subconscious impulsive and desire to escape or run away from the mundane conditions.

Neptune in l2th House – cadent house
Intuitive link with the unconscious mind. Strong mystical ¬religious tendencies. Much spiritual depth and wisdom. Guard against mental confusion. Have inner faith (Jupiter rules the sign of faith) and knowledge that things will turn out all right. Leap of faith. Behind the scenes, great potential for service. Place of isolations such as Hospitals, prison, laboratories. Sailors at sea. Could be secret drinker, or other addictions that are kept secret.

your Jupiter is apex for common T Square..
T Square http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_tsquare.shtml
“Two planets in opposition squared to a third. The tension typical of the opposition aspect is aggravated by additional problems introduced by the third planet. Often an obstructive feature blocking the normal flow of behaviour of the person. Person needs to develop activities represented by the "missing" arm of the T-square to achieve wholeness” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html

“The t-square is exactly like the above configuration except that one of the signs is missing. Time and again this is described as trying to sit in a chair with three legs. Ironically, the individual becomes the fourth leg by acting out the traits which are missing in the chart.” http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/moreaspects2.htm

what tends to happen with T Squares is that a transit, progression or solar arc comes along and temporary converts it to a Grand Square, which does cause enormous

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posted January 13, 2012 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I will be frank, this is a core belief of mine: I am the center of the universe, therefore I should be the center of your universe so when someone tells me "no" or "im busy" i become enraged and in comes the pushiness/aggressiveness/unbendable determination... when I set my sights on something i cannot change it, it HAS to happen and it WILL happen I become relentless. Im not proud of it.

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Because subconsiously I am telling that person, "Nope. I do not respect YOUR boundaries. I do not respect YOU and YOUR own needs. You must do everything I say/want to do. No? No such thing as No. You'll say yes eventually and ill make sure of it." Lol. Thats how I am.

Hahahahahaha!!! Sorry, I'm not trying to laugh at you. It's just that you sound EXACTLY like my Scorpio friend. EXACTLY. He hasn't said it in those terms, but that is exactly what he does. Luckily for me, I realize what he's doing (to myself and other people) and I don't let him run all over me, whereas I've seen many many other people let him run all over them.

Luckily for YOU, you understand this facet of your nature (I'm not entirely sure my Scorpio friend does). What's interesting to me, is that I am pretty much the exact opposite of him, in terms of I respect other people and their boundaries so extremely that I don't understand how anyone can think that they are the center of the universe ever, so he is difficult for me to empathize with sometimes.

As far as patience in relationship goes- a lot of it really has to do with some sort of FAITH and TRUST in the other person. Knowing that they care about you enough to want to return your phone call/invitation at some point. Knowing that you yourself are worthy of love and care and therefore even if said person DOESN'T want to be with you, that has no effect on your own self esteem- they simply aren't for you. That's the best way I can describe it. I know there are more components, but I'll have to think about it some and get back to you.

I know that my Scorpio friend sees this as a challenge instead of a truth, but that's the problem (I'm slowly teaching him that generally, when I quietly and respectfully say "No" I really mean "NO!" and that he will not influence me regardless of what he wants). Sometimes though, he actually does come up with some very good and persuasive arguments and we come to a COMPROMISE instead. Compromise can be difficult for him as well...

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carl
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posted January 13, 2012 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My aries in moon will tell you it is my aries moon that makes me NOT nearly as patient as most other people. My aries moon hates my aries moon.

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posted January 16, 2012 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My aries in moon will tell you it is my aries moon that makes me NOT nearly as patient as most other people. My aries moon hates my aries moon.

I love my Aries moon, it's mover and shaker

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