posted March 22, 2012 06:39 PM            

OK everybody, I've had a lot of topics in a holding pattern, I'll start with this one.

Even before Twitter, even before Demi, we were talking about AK here back in 2004. In every astro source online, his Time of Birth, and therefore Rising, was UNKNOWN.

I've always felt very strongly it was either Scorpio or Pisces Rising. When he hooked up with Demi, it somehow confirmed it for me. Especially since he's got Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus & business-minded MC in Aquarius. He needed that Scorpio or Pisces Rising to compete with Demi's Sun, Mercury, Venus & Neptune in Scorpio.

Not to mention both their first 4 Planets are in Fixed signs, w/Demi's 5th Planet also Fixed. That doesn't spell flexibility or adaptability, and they've always said their sexual chemistry was off the hook. A Scorpio or Pisces Rising for AK seemed to make sense.

Recently, his Birth Time is posted as 12:30pm, a Gemini Rising

So wait. AK's freedom-loving placements, plus Rising in Gemini made for a 7-year relationship w/Demi? Even contemplating a conversation between the two regarding an "open-marriage" would seem insane.

I recently watched the 1969, flick called "The Illustrated Man", (Amazing). Robert Drivas played a feature role, and every once in a while, I got subtle splashes of Ashton Kutcher. When I searched Drivas' astro info I choked on my coffee! He passed away 1986, too soon! But he's got Sun, Moon, Venus & North Node in Scorpio. Time of Birth as of yet UNKNOWN.

Here's a photo of him which comes the closest to radiating the essence of AK I'd seen in a photo. In the movie it was moreso:
http://images.tvrage.com/people/8/23350.jpg

Maybe it's not case closed, but still an open case? What do you think?

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posted March 22, 2012 08:45 PM            

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looks like a scorpio asc to me

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posted March 27, 2012 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Can't you email (tweet) him

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Yeah, Kutcher's known to reply to tweets but receives so many. And do you think he'd want to divulge something personal like that? He's well aware everyone wants to know so they can pick apart current events in his personal life.

I've never thought Brad Pitt's birth time is true because he seems so much more like an Aquarius Moon. Maybe it's because they show his Moon at almost 23 Degrees, close to Aquarius?

The Sag/Aquarius, Sun/Moon combinations create someone who wants very much to be an actor by trade. John F. Kennedy, Jr. was a Sag/Aquarius and his super strong desire to be an actor was continually quelled by his mother.

If you saw Brad Pitt's recent appearance on Inside the Actors Studio, he says, two weeks before graduating college he suddenly up and went to Hollywood, and to this day, has not completed the couple of credits to graduate.

Pitt already has a Mercury & Venus in Capricorn in his 2nd House, and his Mars in Capricorn in the 1st House. So many nose to the grind Aspects. Again, if the TOB is correct.

Would his Mercury Trine Uranus, and Mars Trine Uranus account for that Aquarian influence I feel if that TOB is correct? Or a Uranus Square Asc for any quirkiness or shake-ups in his life?

I don't know. But sometimes I just get the feeling that we're given the wrong TOB on purpose. Maybe not.

posted March 27, 2012 02:47 AM            

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Originally posted by BackToEarth:
Yeah, Kutcher's known to reply to tweets but receives so many. And do you think he'd want to divulge something personal like that? He's well aware everyone wants to know so they can pick apart current events in his personal life.

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posted March 27, 2012 07:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Did anyone notice how the Gemini rising puts Pluto in his 5th house and Neptune conjunct his Dsc… Demi’s was a Scorpio Stellium girl, with Jupiter and Asc in Pisces…. She was his partnership and romantic type… also Kutcher’s 5th house cusp falls on late Virgo, and Demi’s Pluto which rules her massive Scorp stellium is in Virgo… again, she was his type from an astrological point of view…

Also, Kutcher had his Mars in Cancer in Demi’s 5th house (she probably found him really exciting), and his Aquarius stellium was ruled by Uranus in Scorpio, his sun is trine Pluto also. They had a LOT of squares in their synastry which probably generated a lot of passion between the two, but in the end, along with the age difference, this may have also lead to their demise….

And yes, Ashton is a looker. I admit that I like ‘em pretty in the face with longish hair, and he is almost perfect looking… I used to watch ‘THE 70’S SHOW’ just to see Ashton. Synastry shows why I’d find him appealing…. But I’m kind of annoyed at him right now…the divorce and his behavior lately kind of left a bad taste in my mouth about him… I’ll probably get over it eventually though.

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posted March 27, 2012 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
AK and Demi's Moore sexual chemistry was off the hook because he has off the hook Uranus sitting smack in the middle of her Scorpio stelllium.

He provided the Aquarian element: a younger exciting and unpredictable man. Though Aquarius is ruled by unpredictable Uranus and stable Saturn, often times, Urauns seems to have the upper hand, unless there are strong saturn placements in their synastry/composite. It did not surprise me that the relationship did not survive. I don't see Pluto or Saturn placements that would have helped it survive long term.

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posted March 27, 2012 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
I'm sorry I'm a Cap Moon but Brad Pitt to me is duller than dull and it's all his Cap,

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What year (or around what year) were you born? Have to admit that with Pitt its a generational thing with me. What's your Sun again?

Thanks for your info on the Uranus Aspects, etc. I'm starting to realize that lately I'm picking up on Aspect influences, passing the obvious Sun/Moon stuff by.

As for Pitt & Angelina Jolie:

- So many of his past partners had strong Gemini influences, which is another reason I suspect he's more of an Aquarius Moon. Unless it's a need for Gemini's to pull him out.

- In their Synastry Chart there's an Aspect which causes Jolie to feel a tad insecure around Brad. Wonder if during her wild days, she'd see Pitt from afar and think quietly that he'd never want "someone like her", only to find he did, which provided her much insight.

- When they first hooked up, many were like, "She'll have her way with him & dump him." But with that tad of insecurity, it sort of feels like more of an even playing field to her. Remembering her saying they have a lot of playful "competition" between them. That they both like a challenge...

- When it came to her work in writing "In the Land...", she said that Brad would question, "Why does it say this? I'm not sure I understand that scene", and that she felt he wasn't always the best person to pass her ideas by, in that project.

- Being a Moon in Cancer, I immediately pick up on, and can understand, the kind of "Bogey & Bacall" feeling about them. Humphrey Bogart's Sun, Venus & Mars is Capricorn. Lauren Bacall has a Cancer Ascendant, just like Jolie.

- Jolie also has a Cancer Venus & Saturn. Actually, I'm comparing Moon/Saturn, and Cancer/Capricorn tensions in Bacall's & Jolie's Natal, for which they may experience some relief with the Capricorn/Saturn influenced partners.

Bacall has Moon Opposite Saturn, Jolie has Moon Square Saturn, plus her Saturn in Cancer tension.

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Is Ashton (Kutcher) really that unpredictable?

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Good point. With all the Aquarius influence (and I'm not betting on the accuracy of his Aspects or Ascendant), you'd think he'd be the perfect example of "exciting & unpredictable". But he's much more influenced by the Fixed influence. Maybe his hesitancy is also due to a Cancer Mars.

To me, he's not "naturally" impulsive, not fully comfortable with it in his later years. It's more of a contrived compartmentalized spontaneity. I've constantly noticed his near obsession with finding & establishing the way things otta' be. He then quickly defines it, feels temporarily "confident" that he "knows" and moves on. But life doesn't work that way. That's very linear. Life is cyclical.

I suspect Demi's initial confidence fooled him into believing she'd help in solidifying the rules of life. "Rules", not facts. He'd say, "She makes me a better person." Another fallacy.

And if you need more convincing, he wrote a rare long blog specifically about how "change sucks".

posted March 28, 2012 02:19 AM            

I think there's software available that can automatically do it for you.