posted May 30, 2012 06:12 PM            

Retrograde Chiron
By amiann | Published: March 22, 2012 | Edit

Chiron is named for the myth of the healer whose wound could never heal although he healed others from that wound. Some Astrologers like to say that the story was wrong and that Chiron could actually heal. I don’t like to add happy endings where there are none.I feel this detracts from the authenticity of Astrology.I respect Astrology too much to add or subtract from it.However, then one asks,”Is it a fait accompli that we must live with the Chiron wound forever?” Yes, I think so. However, relief can be had from using your wound to help others. I don’t think your wound will be healed by doing this. However,it will be relieved. I think this is the only way to find relief from it, too. Chiron is more House dependent than sign as it stays in the same sign for a time period in a way similar to the generational planets Neptune and Pluto. The sign is a factor but not as important as the house. We will look at both.

To find one’s deepest wounding which is Chiron’s theme, one must look at the house. Each house is a sphere of life. Since there are twelve houses, there are twelve spheres of life represented by the chart. The house in which Chiron resides has been a place of severe wounding. If you look within deeply, you will agree, I am quite sure. This fact is confirmed with each chart I am fortunate enough to read. I will not go over the domain of each house , as I have done so in many articles. I will just say that it would behoove one to study the house in which one’s Chiron is placed. Meditate on this house with all it’s ramifications. See if you can find more clarity about your life. We all have a Chiron . One is not alone in one’s struggles. The difference is the domain of one’s wounding, not it’s existence.

A Retrograde planet makes one recycle the nature of the planet.One must spiral within to such a degree that one finds one’s way out . The Direct planet does not have this quality, as one can go forward with the nature of the planet. However, the Retrograde native will have a much deeper understanding of the planets sphere by having to go within the recesses of the planet in order to come out. As such, the person with a Retrograde planet may have a unique intimacy with the domain of his Retrograde planet. It is important that he studies the nature of Retrograde planets as he will be different from the person with a Direct planet.

Take Mercury Retrograde, for example. The native learns in a different manner. He needs to understand each step before he can grasp the whole. This may make learning slower, but his retention and depth will be deeper, in my experience. I think Mercury Retrograde is a blessing although people differ. Each Retrograde works in the same way, in that the person must descend into the bowels of the planet and somehow make it his own before he can use it.The native with Retrograde planets does this as a matter of course. It is very natural for him. He only stops to look when he realizes that not everyone is the same . At that point, he can study Retrograde planets to try to understand his own nature. It is a worthwhile endeavor as one will have valuable insight into oneself.

Back to Chiron Retrograde. Just the thought of having to go within the bowels of Chiron in order to come out again has a sense of futility. One wants to renege on the whole thing as the thought of pain involved seems to hit one as a wave of humidity when one has stepped from air conditioning to the midday heat.However, with Retrograde planets there is no way out other than in. The native with a Retrograde Chiron will have an unusual relationship with pain. However, on the flip side, he will have a commensurate depth. Nothing is free in life or Astrology. If one wants to heal others from one’s pain, one must face one’s pain.It is a simple axiom but hard for the doing.

I did not address Chiron by sign. I am not that familiar with the workings of Chiron by sign. I suspect that the sign in which Chiron is placed is a hard energy for the native. Each of us has a Zodiac sign or two which rubs us the wrong way. Other factors such as Saturn may be involved but I suspect that Chiron may be a factor, too. I need to address this more as I do charts.

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posted May 30, 2012 06:12 PM            

There is a dearth of information on Chiron. I will take a stab at explaining Chiron from my personal reading and doing charts. Chiron’s myth is that of the wounded healer. Chiron,itself, never heals his own wound. Some Astrologer do not like painful myths and try to sanitize them. I don’t like to do this. I try to honor pain and angst, as it is part of life. If one is to live life in an honest way, one must be honest. As such, Chiron never heals his own pain, but his pain makes him a beacon of healing for others with the SAME pain. Chiron is more important by house than sign.It stays in signs for a long enough period of time that many people have Chiron in the same sign as with a generational planet such as Uranus , Neptune or Pluto. In these latter instances, the house becomes more important, as well.

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posted May 30, 2012 06:14 PM            

Chiron is more House dependent than sign dependent. As such, I will write about Chiron in the Houses. Please, comment, about your house placement, if you care to.

Chiron in the 1st house– This placement seems to indicate childhood bullying, in many, many cases. Chiron in the 1st house would be a outer manifestation of Chiron. It would be akin to wearing Chiron on your sleeve, for all the world to see. The Chiron wound could be physical such as a scar or deformity.It could be emotional such as emotional illness. Whatever it is, it is visible to others. As such, this is one of the hardest Chiron placements.

Chiron in the 2nd house–The 2nd house rules the material part of life and all that that entails such as a house in which to live and money with which to buy food and other needed items. The 2nd house rules the general feeling of security in life because you have what you need and you are not afraid you will lose it, at any moment. As such, if Chiron is here, you ARE afraid that your material security could be lost, at a moments notice. You carry this vague fear with you, at all times, even if you are living in the lap of luxury.The Chiron wound is internal. It does not heal if life circumstances change. It may be mitigated, but not healed completely, as is the nature of the myth.

Chiron in the 3rd house–The 3rd house rules communication. One must be able to communicate, with ease, if one is to thrive in this world. The 3rd house is general communication in speaking and writing rather than an intellectual communication of deep,philosophical and spiritual issues as is the domain of the 9th house. People with Chiron in the 3rd in communication. They may be afraid to speak. They may have been demeaned when they tried to speak. They may have been in a situation where they were “shouting” their truth with no one to hear, to understand what they were saying. They may have been the “voiceless”. I have seen this manifestation of Chiron in the 3rd.

Chiron in the 4th house–the 4th house rules early childhood. As such, Chiron, here, would indicate a painful childhood. This is one of the harder Chiron placements, as our childhood shapes us as water is shaped by a container. We may carry deep pain, all or lives, from situations inflicted on us, as children. I think this would be the case, as the Chiron wound does not heal. However, this placement may have a unique ability to help abused and neglected children. This placement may be a foster parent or just someone to whom children can unburden themselves.

Chiron in the 5th house–the 5th house rules play, creativity, self expression of one’s basic identity, short romances, fun and one’s sense of humor. Chiron, here, may make a person afraid to risk self expression. Creativity may be hard, as one feels insecure to step out and be seen. This house rules the child who dances and sings with the joy of simply being, as children will do. This sign rules the person who will get in to the center of the room , with a lampshade on his head, in the middle of a party. With Chiron, here, one may be found in the corner. One may desire to shout his special song to the world, but shrinks back. As such, this person has a unique understanding that may help others who find themselves in the same position. This Chiron may be a music teacher, but not a performer. This placement may be an acting coach, but not an actor. This Chiron may watch on the sidelines, but encourage others to shine. That would embody the nature of the usage of the Chiron wound.

Chiron in the 6th house–The 6th house rules work of a practical service nature. It, also, rules health. Chiron in the 6th may be a person who desires to serve others, but never seems to find satisfaction. Perhaps, their choice of work is a continual source of pain.Perhaps, they work in a field which does not suit them, which drains their life energy, but they are stuck. Perhaps health issues plague them. One friend with Chiron in the 6th, had two children with a rare genetic disorder of which he and his wife were unaware. He and she were, both, called upon to donate organs to their child. This placement is one of the harder ones.

Chiron in the 7th house–the 7th house rules marriage and committed partnerships of a long term nature. The 7th house involves all things that one desires in marriage such as loyalty, devotion, fidelity and life partnership.As such, this Chiron may never have the pleasures of this kind of union. If this Chiron does get married, his partner may betray him or likewise break his heart and destroy his dreams. This Chiron may be called upon to help other couples as a marriage counselor or a pastor while he bears the wound with which he heals others.

Chiron in the 8th house–the 8th house rules all taboo subjects.If you cannot talk about it at a cocktail party, the 8th house rules it. This includes the deepest passions of the human, both emotional and sexual.The 8th house is the one must call forward when one is in therapy. It rules the id, the part of us which will control us, if we try to push it in to the attic. As such, Chiron in the 8th may not be able to face these parts of himself and may suffer physical and emotional illness, as a result. On the other hand, he may be plagued by passions running wild such that he cannot stop them. He may have addictions and obsessions which he cannot control, but may be called upon to help others as an addiction counselor or a therapist.

Chiron in the 9th–the 9th house rules higher thought. It is opposite the 3rd house which rules chatty communication. The 9th rules intellectual communication. It rules higher education, while the 3rd house rules elementary education. The 9th house rules spiritual bodies of thought. The 9th house asks the most yearning questions of the human such as “Why am I here?” When a person has a full 9th house, the person is a seeker after Life Truths. On the other hand, when Chiron is here, a person may never find these answers, although they may search incessantly. The 9th house Chiron may be a religion professor or a pastor who guides others to the very answers which elude him

Chiron in the 10th–the 10th house rules career and society. It is opposite the 4th house which rules early childhood. One must leave childhood and the 4th house and learn to make one’s way in the 10th house arena. The 10th house rules one’s reputation.It rules one’s general acceptance or lack of it, in society. As such, Chiron, here, may make one feel cast out from others. Perhaps, one does not have the social status one so, fervently, desires.Perhaps, one was poor as a child and feels one can never fit in with a “higher” level of social peers. Perhaps, one makes a stupid mistake and loses one’s reputaion. Perhaps, one’s career never takes off even though one tries, mightily. This Chiron may help others succeed and realize their social dreams,as one stands in the baclground. Perhaps, one is a worker behind the scenes for a person who sits in the limelight, effortlessly, as one watches.

Chiron in the 11th–the 11th house rules groups, hopes and dreams and global giving, such as in charity. The 11th house is a forward thinking house ruled by Aquarius. A person with a full 11th house wants to help others who are far away such as by doing work in the Peace Corps or Doctors without Borders. The strongly 11th house person has a passion to make a difference to those who are far from his own sphere of life. It seems to be a deep seated passion, as in my friend Rod from Chile. Hopes and dreams are ruled by this house, too, as in the hopes of a child, before children learn that hope is often, fruitless. As such, a person with an 11th house Chiron may find that his dreams are out of reach and he must settle for mediocrity instead of his aspirations. Perhaps, he will mentor someone who does go to faraway places and perform wonderful deeds, as he sits behind, as a support structure.

Chiron in the 12th house—the 12th house is the hardest house placement, bar none. This will, always, be the case, no matter which planet.The 12th house is the door to the next dimension. The next dimension is that of psychic phenomena, creativity and mystical experience. It,also, rules drugs and addictions, as these take us out of the real world, albeit in a harmful way. As such, the person with a 12th house Chiron may find it hard to live on the earth. He may want to escape the earth’s hardships through addictions. He may fight addictions but never seem to overcome. He may be ultra sensitive in the Micheal Jackson vein. The earth may take its toll on him.People who have been through great trouble have great depth, not found in those who have not. As such, this Chiron may comfort those who the rest of the world has pushed to the sidelines such as the handicapped person or the prisoner.

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posted May 30, 2012 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Chiron in the Houses
By amiann | Published: December 29, 2011 |

Chiron is more House dependent than sign dependent. As such, I will write about Chiron in the Houses. Please, comment, about your house placement, if you care to.

Chiron in the 1st house– This placement seems to indicate childhood bullying, in many, many cases. Chiron in the 1st house would be a outer manifestation of Chiron. It would be akin to wearing Chiron on your sleeve, for all the world to see. The Chiron wound could be physical such as a scar or deformity.It could be emotional such as emotional illness. Whatever it is, it is visible to others. As such, this is one of the hardest Chiron placements.

Chiron in the 2nd house–The 2nd house rules the material part of life and all that that entails such as a house in which to live and money with which to buy food and other needed items. The 2nd house rules the general feeling of security in life because you have what you need and you are not afraid you will lose it, at any moment. As such, if Chiron is here, you ARE afraid that your material security could be lost, at a moments notice. You carry this vague fear with you, at all times, even if you are living in the lap of luxury.The Chiron wound is internal. It does not heal if life circumstances change. It may be mitigated, but not healed completely, as is the nature of the myth.

Chiron in the 3rd house–The 3rd house rules communication. One must be able to communicate, with ease, if one is to thrive in this world. The 3rd house is general communication in speaking and writing rather than an intellectual communication of deep,philosophical and spiritual issues as is the domain of the 9th house. People with Chiron in the 3rd in communication. They may be afraid to speak. They may have been demeaned when they tried to speak. They may have been in a situation where they were “shouting” their truth with no one to hear, to understand what they were saying. They may have been the “voiceless”. I have seen this manifestation of Chiron in the 3rd.

Chiron in the 4th house–the 4th house rules early childhood. As such, Chiron, here, would indicate a painful childhood. This is one of the harder Chiron placements, as our childhood shapes us as water is shaped by a container. We may carry deep pain, all or lives, from situations inflicted on us, as children. I think this would be the case, as the Chiron wound does not heal. However, this placement may have a unique ability to help abused and neglected children. This placement may be a foster parent or just someone to whom children can unburden themselves.

Chiron in the 5th house–the 5th house rules play, creativity, self expression of one’s basic identity, short romances, fun and one’s sense of humor. Chiron, here, may make a person afraid to risk self expression. Creativity may be hard, as one feels insecure to step out and be seen. This house rules the child who dances and sings with the joy of simply being, as children will do. This sign rules the person who will get in to the center of the room , with a lampshade on his head, in the middle of a party. With Chiron, here, one may be found in the corner. One may desire to shout his special song to the world, but shrinks back. As such, this person has a unique understanding that may help others who find themselves in the same position. This Chiron may be a music teacher, but not a performer. This placement may be an acting coach, but not an actor. This Chiron may watch on the sidelines, but encourage others to shine. That would embody the nature of the usage of the Chiron wound.

Chiron in the 6th house–The 6th house rules work of a practical service nature. It, also, rules health. Chiron in the 6th may be a person who desires to serve others, but never seems to find satisfaction. Perhaps, their choice of work is a continual source of pain.Perhaps, they work in a field which does not suit them, which drains their life energy, but they are stuck. Perhaps health issues plague them. One friend with Chiron in the 6th, had two children with a rare genetic disorder of which he and his wife were unaware. He and she were, both, called upon to donate organs to their child. This placement is one of the harder ones.

Chiron in the 7th house–the 7th house rules marriage and committed partnerships of a long term nature. The 7th house involves all things that one desires in marriage such as loyalty, devotion, fidelity and life partnership.As such, this Chiron may never have the pleasures of this kind of union. If this Chiron does get married, his partner may betray him or likewise break his heart and destroy his dreams. This Chiron may be called upon to help other couples as a marriage counselor or a pastor while he bears the wound with which he heals others.

Chiron in the 8th house–the 8th house rules all taboo subjects.If you cannot talk about it at a cocktail party, the 8th house rules it. This includes the deepest passions of the human, both emotional and sexual.The 8th house is the one must call forward when one is in therapy. It rules the id, the part of us which will control us, if we try to push it in to the attic. As such, Chiron in the 8th may not be able to face these parts of himself and may suffer physical and emotional illness, as a result. On the other hand, he may be plagued by passions running wild such that he cannot stop them. He may have addictions and obsessions which he cannot control, but may be called upon to help others as an addiction counselor or a therapist.

Chiron in the 9th–the 9th house rules higher thought. It is opposite the 3rd house which rules chatty communication. The 9th rules intellectual communication. It rules higher education, while the 3rd house rules elementary education. The 9th house rules spiritual bodies of thought. The 9th house asks the most yearning questions of the human such as “Why am I here?” When a person has a full 9th house, the person is a seeker after Life Truths. On the other hand, when Chiron is here, a person may never find these answers, although they may search incessantly. The 9th house Chiron may be a religion professor or a pastor who guides others to the very answers which elude him

Chiron in the 10th–the 10th house rules career and society. It is opposite the 4th house which rules early childhood. One must leave childhood and the 4th house and learn to make one’s way in the 10th house arena. The 10th house rules one’s reputation.It rules one’s general acceptance or lack of it, in society. As such, Chiron, here, may make one feel cast out from others. Perhaps, one does not have the social status one so, fervently, desires.Perhaps, one was poor as a child and feels one can never fit in with a “higher” level of social peers. Perhaps, one makes a stupid mistake and loses one’s reputaion. Perhaps, one’s career never takes off even though one tries, mightily. This Chiron may help others succeed and realize their social dreams,as one stands in the baclground. Perhaps, one is a worker behind the scenes for a person who sits in the limelight, effortlessly, as one watches.

Chiron in the 11th–the 11th house rules groups, hopes and dreams and global giving, such as in charity. The 11th house is a forward thinking house ruled by Aquarius. A person with a full 11th house wants to help others who are far away such as by doing work in the Peace Corps or Doctors without Borders. The strongly 11th house person has a passion to make a difference to those who are far from his own sphere of life. It seems to be a deep seated passion, as in my friend Rod from Chile. Hopes and dreams are ruled by this house, too, as in the hopes of a child, before children learn that hope is often, fruitless. As such, a person with an 11th house Chiron may find that his dreams are out of reach and he must settle for mediocrity instead of his aspirations. Perhaps, he will mentor someone who does go to faraway places and perform wonderful deeds, as he sits behind, as a support structure.

Chiron in the 12th house—the 12th house is the hardest house placement, bar none. This will, always, be the case, no matter which planet.The 12th house is the door to the next dimension. The next dimension is that of psychic phenomena, creativity and mystical experience. It,also, rules drugs and addictions, as these take us out of the real world, albeit in a harmful way. As such, the person with a 12th house Chiron may find it hard to live on the earth. He may want to escape the earth’s hardships through addictions. He may fight addictions but never seem to overcome. He may be ultra sensitive in the Micheal Jackson vein. The earth may take its toll on him.People who have been through great trouble have great depth, not found in those who have not. As such, this Chiron may comfort those who the rest of the world has pushed to the sidelines such as the handicapped person or the prisoner.

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posted May 31, 2012 07:21 AM            

Both interpretations seem applicable

On one hand sixth house interpretation, makes sense w my health problems that are mysterious and not easy to understand or heal

On the other.,with that in the seventh.,,I ev dated a lot, but ave never been able to continue a relationship more than six months.,,lalways getting bots hurt or disappointed...and I have my doubts about whether I can do long term or not....lov does feel like a constant source of hurt uncovering childhood wounds n fears.......could Chiron being close to the house have this effect?

Should I let this a factor in making decisions to commit..? I am still 26, and if I know from now Chiron will continue to have this effect, I ll enter relationships w a mind set of healing rather than lasting......

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posted May 31, 2012 08:06 AM            

Thankyou....

The house interpretations were v insightful

posted May 31, 2012 10:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Chiron in the Houses
By amiann | Published: December 29, 2011 |

Chiron in the 7th house–the 7th house rules marriage and committed partnerships of a long term nature. The 7th house involves all things that one desires in marriage such as loyalty, devotion, fidelity and life partnership. As such, this Chiron may never have the pleasures of this kind of union. If this Chiron does get married, his partner may betray him or likewise break his heart and destroy his dreams. This Chiron may be called upon to help other couples as a marriage counselor or a pastor while he bears the wound with which he heals others.
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posted May 31, 2012 09:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Fiery_Water:
Extant your Chiron is in seventh house? How many degrees?

I must say this is assuring to hear.....thankyou how do you feel it has affected your relationships though?

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It's Chiron in Gemini, 3 degrees, 29 minutes in the 7th House. As far as romantic relationships go, I disagreed with the above interpretation because as long as I've been alive (admittedly, 27 years isn't the longest period), I've only ever bothered with long-term relationships. Beyond that, somehow, some way I am still with the person I started a relationship with when I was 20. I could have dated far more than I did, but only chose partners who countered my seven gazillion reservations about the relationship working out in the long-term with boundless optimism. Admittedly, it is very difficult for me not to question the affections of the other person regardless of how irrational it may be. This is nature of my particular Chironic situation, I guess.

In friendships, people constantly ask me to interpret the words of their significant others or crushes. For some reason, I usually offer a response considerably more objective than theirs. Their initial interpretations are skewed towards their sense of victimhood, although I am guilty of the same offenses in my relationships. The longest non-familial friendship I've maintained has lasted 15 years, and she just visited me last weekend.

posted June 01, 2012 05:37 AM            

Ok so the wounds manifests in the fear, in the interpretation of the other for you.

That is familiar....I mean partners that I really fall in love with,,,,I definitely feel betrayed by, without them doing anything, as if the feeling of love is automatically associated with betrayal. I am always waiting for abondonment and expecting it...and for a v long time, I was so adment on beating someone to a break up.

But I must say it s reassuring to hear about your long term relationships..,.

I was always wondering if ,y chart indicates some handicap in that area,,,,

Where s ur moon, Venus, asc?

I m moon in Pisces as well, ascendant sag, Venus Aries

I think with the current Chiron placements right now, and Saturn in libra, this is a particularly difficult time where such Chiron work is very much in action.

posted June 01, 2012 08:54 AM            

A recurring thing for me in all my long-term relationships is definitely a fear of betrayal, and let me put the emphasis on FEAR. It's never actually substantiated, as years of therapy have exposed for me.

posted June 01, 2012 09:38 AM            

Yes Fear

Blinding fear

Panic attack fear

Paranoia

Scenarios

Being locked in the mind th all it s worse possibilities fear, and grieving imaginary disappointments without them even happening.

The difference between you and me is, my obsession w the betrayal does eventually attract it,,,,,I almost feel like I manifest it, or I make sure I attract partners who will fulfill my self defeating script, so I can confirm it,,,,,

And that links it with all Pisces dramatic fantasy, living in the drama versus living in the reality

My childhood trauma is neglect and abondonment not abuse, and this ends up being my biggest fear in a relationship...

Therapy has not extinguished it, but it at least has made me aware of its irrationality,,,and that makes a wiorld of differences,,,,

I do however think the key to getting over the fear, is not by thinking the worse is not gonna happen,,,,,which I tried,,but just breaking away of all expected fantasies. Both the rosy ones and the black ones,,,..,n taking the moment just for what it is.,.which isnv challenging for me,,,,,total grounding in reality basically

Ur the first Pisces sun Venus in Aries, who s so long term that I meet,,,,,mostly everyone I met w this combination falls in and out of love v quickly,,,,,or in their long term relationships, trending to feel easily bored or stifled...

posted June 01, 2012 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Fiery_Water:

Wow......sounds spot on

Yes Fear

Blinding fear

Panic attack fear

Paranoia

Scenarios

Being locked in the mind th all it s worse possibilities fear, and grieving imaginary disappointments without them even happening.

The difference between you and me is, my obsession w the betrayal does eventually attract it,,,,,I almost feel like I manifest it, or I make sure I attract partners who will fulfill my self defeating script, so I can confirm it,,,,,

And that links it with all Pisces dramatic fantasy, living in the drama versus living in the reality

My childhood trauma is neglect and abondonment not abuse, and this ends up being my biggest fear in a relationship...

Therapy has not extinguished it, but it at least has made me aware of its irrationality,,,and that makes a wiorld of differences,,,,

I do however think the key to getting over the fear, is not by thinking the worse is not gonna happen,,,,,which I tried,,but just breaking away of all expected fantasies. Both the rosy ones and the black ones,,,..,n taking the moment just for what it is.,.which isnv challenging for me,,,,,total grounding in reality basically

Ur the first Pisces sun Venus in Aries, who s so long term that I meet,,,,,mostly everyone I met w this combination falls in and out of love v quickly,,,,,or in their long term relationships, trending to feel easily bored or stifled...

Hopeful hopeful, very hopeful

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posted June 01, 2012 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by extant_pisces:
My Moon is in Gemini, Ascendant in Scorpio, and Venus in Aries. I think it's a good point recognizing a fear of abandonment without the other person necessarily having to do anything. My "wound" occurred in early life, as I was a very sensitive kid and I grew up in an abusive household. I always found it difficult to trust people.

A recurring thing for me in all my long-term relationships is definitely a fear of betrayal, and let me put the emphasis on FEAR. It's never actually substantiated, as years of therapy have exposed for me.

I am incredibly suspicious of the other person's motives when I have all the reason in the world to trust them. Only later I realize that what I suspected was totally off-base and I just sabotaged my own feelings of security in the relationship by suspecting bad motives (out of nowhere).

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Your pain shows up in relationships. This is what I meant by Chiron in the 7th.

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posted June 01, 2012 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Your pain shows up in relationships. This is what I meant by Chiron in the 7th.

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Yes, and what I was relating is that I haven't been denied long-term relationships in any way, shape, or form.

posted June 01, 2012 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by extant_pisces:
Yes, and what I was relating is that I haven't been denied long-term relationships in any way, shape, or form.

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Ok Gottcha Did I say a person may be denied a relationship? If so, that would not be the case, as much as pain WITHIN relationships. I will change that! Thanks for the input.

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