posted September 21, 2015 03:40 PM            

I think Saturn square nodes also denies her ultimately what she wants to do.

posted September 21, 2015 08:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Nice article.

I think Saturn square nodes also denies her ultimately what she wants to do.

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posted September 22, 2015 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
well, no president has ever had a Scorpio Asc. :-) so i doubt she'll be the first. Scorpio Asc. comes across very cold and unfriendly. it's off-putting to the majority of people and you need people to like your outer persona for success in politics. some very weak leaders had the most charming Asc. (Libra) which is why they get elected. a majority of elected leaders have Libra or Taurus Asc. becomes they come across so charming - thanks to Venus. a charming Asc. helps you appear favorable to the public, whether you are qualified or not.

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Great point!

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posted September 22, 2015 11:57 AM            

I remember reading that Hillary had a rule that no one was allowed to look at her as she was walking down the hallway in the White House (when she lived there.) I thought she was such a weirdo.

Then I learned she has a Pisces moon.

Oh.

Yeah come to think of it I wouldn't want people staring at me, either.

I enjoyed your article Astrochologist, and I agree with most of your points. I think her moon is also a factor in this: "The perception is that she’s hiding things and secretive. Her chart reflects that."

But I don't see her as a condescending person...she can be extremely down-to-earth and empathic. Her husband cheated on her very openly and she "forgave and forgot." Some people will see that as suspicious (not strong enough boundaries) and others will appreciate it as a mark of compassion.

As for the Presidential race itself, I think it's a dog and pony show, and the real power is always behind the scenes.

I won't vote.

But I kind of hope Trump wins, and I think he might, by a landslide. He's a shrewd businessman, and the American Presidency is largely about business.

posted September 23, 2015 08:49 PM            

First your article, Astrocholigist. Water and fire. water, yes, this could be a factor in a person being over-sensitive, or as you put it, too 'right brained'. However, water can also be very capable of feeling out trends and undercurrents (Scorpio), human needs and security (Cancer), and compassion (Pisces). At one point 2-3 decades ago, Pisces was the most common or second most common sun sign amongst US Congressmen.

You've overlooked that fire can balance water, and fire is absolutely (by planet or sign) an boost to ambition, ego, and can-do attitudes essential to being an executive and obtaining the top job.

What is locomotion? Fire + water = steam. These folks can absolutely be locomotives. Anytime you put enough energy/fire behind water to move it there can be a lot of power.

I agree that the fixity of heavy Scorpio and Leo in Hillary's chart lends her to be resistant to new ideas. But that did not prevent her husband Bill from being elected. His chart has significant fixity as well, as have many other leaders.

However, you have posted a DD-rated chart for Hillary. DD is the rating of lowest reliability for recorded birth time/Asc figure, after only X. How is it you can proceed then to deliniations along house lines without at least some serious justification for this chart with Scorpio rising?

Things get muddy from there, so I won't go through a litany of questions or points of disagreements.

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Originally posted by starmoon:
well, no president has ever had a Scorpio Asc. :-) so i doubt she'll be the first.

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Are you certain of that? How can you know this since some of our U.S. Presidents have not even had recorded birth times? According to master astrologer John Willner, William McKinely was Scorpio rising.

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... a majority of elected leaders have Libra or Taurus Asc. because they come across so charming - thanks to Venus. a charming Asc. helps you appear favorable to the public, whether you are qualified or not.

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Actually, I have researched public figures in American politics, as well as the USA's political trends, and genuine Taurus rising individuals are rare in higher levels of elected office (governors, congress, White House). Libra rising is quite common, however, partly for the basic reason you cite -- Venus influence: diplomacy -- but not because they are so slick they can get elected even without qualifications. Capricorn rising and Aries rising are also quite common, as are Sagittarius and Gemini.

It is very difficult to apply rudimentary sign-based astrology to politics and get anywhere. However, we do know that not a single U.S. President has ever had Moon in Pisces. You can look this up for yourself in ADB. Nor has any that I can find had Mars in Pisces.

Pisces acts as an achilles heel for people in the public view. Attaining the highest and hardest to get job in the USA (as it exists now) is just not something those folks are cut out for.

Fred Bickum did research to find out what is most common among winning presidential candidates and discovered that the Aquarian signature, or at least some factors in Aquarius comes up often; Mercury/Mars/Pluto combinations come up often; Cardinal signs over the angles (of a properly and fully validated chart), or the Sag/Gem axis; angular house interception, especially 1st/7th; factors positioned at extremes of declination (22*+).

This is not to say there are not other factors, but this is what he gleaned from a study of actual validated charts for U.S. presidents. Not DD-rated charts, not X, C, B, or even A or AA-rated charts, but fully validated charts.

So to complete my gadfly role, I urge to to study! before coming to conclusions (or indulging your person or political prejudices). If you've got an opinion on the subject, then you've got interest, which is the basis for further study and greater knowledge.

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posted September 24, 2015 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I cannot stand her. Just want to say that but it is a GREAT article. Lots of good astrological perspectives. Thanks!

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posted September 24, 2015 01:58 PM            

Too interpret from an astrological view, she is mostly Scorpio and Leo. This is the best signs for a powerful leadertype, who knows how to really make big and maybe not so popular (but VERY much needed) solutions. They are big strategists and they really knows how to navigate in an extremely hard environment. I think scorp/leo is some robust signs, who can handle a LOT. This is what US need right now, not someone who isn't even a trained politician(trump)

posted September 26, 2015 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Nice article.

I think Saturn square nodes also denies her ultimately what she wants to do.

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This is a great insight that I honestly have overlooked.

With Hillary's Saturn 21 Leo and Nodes 23 Scorpio/Taurus, this is an important factor for a public figure's future. An individual can have ambitions that reach beyond what is truly possible for them. I think that is the case here.