posted January 27, 2021 09:20 AM            

I have a neighbour that takes pride in the fact that she doesn't work. Her main reason is that she got married and had her children, which was over 30 years ago. The same thing does her daughter.
Right now, her daughter in law is working and she's staying home caring for her nephew. Which is kind of an exaggeration. How far she went with her not working style that she was maintained all her life by other people.

Could be Saturn in Cancer retrograded in conjunction to South Node in Gemini?

My sister has the nodal axis in Gemini/Sagittarius and she moved to another country when she was 16 years old and visited a lot of countries, going to other continents too, while this woman didn't travel or moved anywhere at all.

posted January 27, 2021 11:35 AM            

I would think that someone who hasn't had to work much might have some positive traits in the 6th house or an MC that indicates an inclination towards domestic matters like Cancer or Taurus maybe. I'm no expert, though, so I don't really know.

Homemaking itself is a job that we often take for granted these days. They don't get into cars and drive or deal with lots of people in the office or wherever. But these people are still important parts of society and family, because a lot of the small details that make life function well are in the home. The minutes that get saved because someone prepares lunch or dinner, and the health that gets improved because someone bothers vacuuming -- all these little things matter.

posted January 27, 2021 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
That's not the reason for her lack of working. They are not rich and things got so far that her daughter in law is working to maintain the family while she's not working. And 30 years have passed since she's not raising children.

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How old is she? If she had children at 18, and they turned 18 when she was 36, and that was 30 years ago, that would make her around retirement age -- 66 years old.

posted January 27, 2021 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Andronas:
How old is she? If she had children at 18, and they turned 18 when she was 36, and that was 30 years ago, that would make her around retirement age -- 66 years old.

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posted January 27, 2021 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
She's born in 73.

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posted January 27, 2021 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
what'd she have kids as an infant to be done raising them 30 years ago?

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You raise them for a few years and then they start going to kindergarden, primary school, high school. Her children are now 32 and 29 years old. My mother was working after a few years. She always did something, starting a business or just having a job.

EDITED: even if they had to be raised until they turned 18 years old, which is quite abnormal thing to do, because children are not stupid beings to be pampered 24/7 until they turn 18 years old, they turned 18 years old at least 10 years ago.

posted January 27, 2021 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
You raise them for a few years and then they start going to kindergarden, primary school, high school. Her children are now 32 and 29 years old. My mother was working after a few years. She always did something, starting a business or just having a job.

EDITED: even if they had to be raised until they turned 18 years old, which is quite abnormal thing to do, because children are not stupid beings to be pampered 24/7 until they turn 18 years old, they turned 18 years old at least 10 years ago.

The thing is that she never worked even if they needed it. I don't know astrological factors to this. Maybe is a cultural thing since her daughter thinks the same.

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just because they go to school doesn't mean they stop needing a parent around or things done around the house

even without kids things run more smoothly when one person is able to be home

just because your mother was working doesn't mean that's necessarily what's best for everyone

i don't entirely see why it matters to you either whether or not she works, i say this because you're saying all this with an air of judgment as if people who don't do x are somehow beneath you

seems odd to me to care that much or to not see how that's important too

it's not even about pampering anyone, and anyway it'd be about their own personal values and dynamic in the home no?

there's more to life than a person's job and contribution can be widely varied, but cooking and cleaning and keeping things running smoothly so someone else doesn't have to be concerned with them is a job on its own

and it's one that often gets overlooked even though it's unpaid and there's no days off etc

just saying

now that being said i haven't worked for a good chunk of my life probably idk 2 years a little more all added up, health issues circumstances and so on (i'm 34, no kids)

someone mentioned cancer midheaven being a possibility, i have that going on in my chart , life happens **** happens people have different values

posted January 27, 2021 01:22 PM            

And to say that kids that have parents that work and didn't have a parent 24/7 at home until they turned 18 years old, is saying that we all had bad parenting. Like you say that I have this thing because my mother was working also, but her daughter is doing the same, so which one harms the most? because her daughter married to the first guy that could take her home and give her money for the rest of her life because she didn't have any money and couldn't work. And someone can still work meantime kids are at school or after they turn 10-12-16 years old. In this case, kids are having their own families and she still thinks that has children to raise. EDITED here: she doesn't think that, she is using this reason.

posted January 27, 2021 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
I'm not judging her, Dumuzi. Actually, she is a person who judges everyone, very aggressive, hard to be around her. Actually, she is the one who is pointing out in everyones faces that we are some fools that are working and she's a lady to stay at home. That's the main theme in their family regarding girls. You are throwing this at me, but you haven't listen to her hatred and how much she swears to everyone. And I'm not taking this from my mother. It's actually a very bad thing to stay at home to be mantained by your daughter in law because you think you are too precious to work. I checked her natal chart today because I wanted to see how it looks like and some things don't fit. But I can see the hatred and her rage regarding anything with her Saturn conjunct South Node.

And to say that kids that have parents that work and didn't have a parent 24/7 at home until they turned 18 years old, is saying that we all had bad parenting. Like you say that I have this thing because my mother was working also, but her daughter is doing the same, so which one harms the most? because her daughter married to the first guy that could take her home and give her money for the rest of her life because she didn't have any money and couldn't work. And someone can still work meantime kids are at school or after they turn 10-12-16 years old. In this case, kids are having their own families and she still thinks that has children to raise. EDITED here: she doesn't think that, she is using this reason.

But that's another subject and I wanted to know about astrological factors that could block some areas of life.

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your tone seemed rather judgmental and you brought your mother's choices up so i assume you have respect for them no? how we're raised and the people who raise us color our views on this sort of thing

a working mother who starts up businesses etc will likely have a daughter who values similar, and that's fine

not saying this particular woman isnt a ***** , she sounds like one, but you also come across as judgmental

your initial question was about people who are "willing to or not" but don't and seems to be about people outside of this particular woman as well no?

so she's just a single example not everyone is going to act or view things as she does but still can have placements in their charts that indicate work not being a large factor in their life

threw my guess out there given my own midheaven

my saturn's only major aspect is a square to my sun, in placidus it sits in my 2nd house

i have a 7th house northnode conjunct my moon (my cancer midheaven's ruler) and descendant and venus on my south node/ascendant, mars on my ic, all my angles are square

no one said that anyone had bad parenting though, so i'm not sure why you brought that up

just saying that kids aren't necessarily done being raised just because they're in school or that a household where both parties work is necessarily best

not sure why you necessarily think it's harmful for someone to be a housewife, or negative at all, because there's literally nothing wrong with it

is it for everyone? no, but it's certainly not something invalid or worthless

people marry for many different reasons and many people enter ****** relationships whether they work or not and even in situations where both parties work dependence can occur

there is no one size fits all "is this harmful or not?" here

edit: also you said she hasnt been raising her kids for 30 years, so if she stopped raising them when she was 18 that'd be the only way that was possible being born in 1973

but there is no "stop raising them" or "they're done being raised," even parents who work are still raising their kids they just have a different lifestyle or set of priorities

posted January 27, 2021 02:42 PM            

I don't need to explain it to you, Dumuzi. If you want to take me for the bad person, so be it. It's just wrong to take my side of story as being wrong in the first place without knowing the full story. I know very well her and their family because I've lived in the same building with them for over 12 years. The main reason that I gave her chart as an example is because that's how we all find interest in some aspects (astrological) when we see them in real life or in someones chart. We compare them with real life examples. As far as I looked in the Cancer Saturn conjunct South Node, it only showed positive examples of someone very caring and that has to escape their limits and stuff like that, but didn't say anything about rage, frustration accumulated due to the hardship of escaping those limitations.

posted January 27, 2021 02:50 PM            

I'll say that concentration on one's self is energy best spent, unless you can help this person out in learning direction *if they are willing of course. As for the aspects one might have troubles with this topic. We all have issues somewhere in life. (in a loving way, saying) Yours may not cause others to judge you. Idk .. yet the wheel turns - you could sometime.

posted January 27, 2021 02:56 PM            

In the first 3 years, their attachment style is being formed so those are the most important years in their life for a parent to be next to them 24/7 so the child knows that if he needs his mother or father, they will always be there to take care of him.

I couldn't care less about how they raise their children. In my view, they are doing some huge things wrong, starting with the language used, the crying babies that are not taking care of, or the education that they are exposed to. I just gave it as an example in the professional area and told how they think about work and "housewife" just to understand their way of thinking as not someone that puts their effort in raising kids but in someone that doesn't want to work and are fully maintained by other people all their life.

posted January 27, 2021 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
My tone isn't heard. And the thread was about professional set-backs, willing or not, which means if they want or not to work. A lazy person, or some houses/areas of life are blocked by malefics or certain other things that could make someone to not be able to work their entire life or have a sporadic way of working.

I don't need to explain it to you, Dumuzi. If you want to take me for the bad person, so be it. It's just wrong to take my side of story as being wrong in the first place without knowing the full story. I know very well her and their family because I've lived in the same building with them for over 12 years. The main reason that I gave her chart as an example is because that's how we all find interest in some aspects (astrological) when we see them in real life or in someones chart. We compare them with real life examples. As far as I looked in the Cancer Saturn conjunct South Node, it only showed positive examples of someone very caring and that has to escape their limits and stuff like that, but didn't say anything about rage, frustration accumulated due to the hardship of escaping those limitations.

And I didn't said is harmful to be a housewife, I said what could make a person to take pride that they are maintained by other people all their life and that their work-life is not present at all, willing or not like they couldn't work, due to medical conditions, or didn't want to work, laziness. And here I didn't ask about rich families, but about normal families.

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not heard no, but words used provide tone as well that's why things like fiction writing can be effective and portray meaning and intent etc even when we can't hear

sometimes things can be lost in conversation without it being in person sure, but that wasn't what i was talking about at any rate

and yeah exactly your thread was about people who willing to or not end up not working throughout their life, and i provided astrological stuff from my own chart (one thing matched someone else's guess, a cancer midheaven) as potential stuff and acknowledged your guesses and shared things that could

so i answered your question to the best of my ability, but pointed out that you seem rather judgmental because well... you do 🤷‍♀️ but i never asked you to explain yourself to me anyway so of course you don't have to

i also said she seemed like a b*tch so i'm not calling you the bad guy anyway, didn't at the very least, not sure why you're taking it like i have

again it's not all about this woman so your issues with her aren't really the entirety of your query, which i addressed more than once

you asked me which caused more harm, and then told me about her daughter and so on, which is why i used the word harm and said "neither necessarily" ultimately because what causes harm to one person may not to another that's how these things work

as for taking pride, people taking pride in themselves isn't limited to their jobs and considering how much so many people hate their jobs it's not a stretch for someone to be content that their life hasn't just been all about that

most jobs people hold bring them very little joy in life and aren't necessarily an accomplishment, so the flipside isn't necessarily a net negative

i'm not understanding why you're taking me saying you came off as judgmental as me calling you bad though, people can be judgmental it doesn't make them bad it just is 🤷‍♀️ and it's totally normal

even if you were a judgmental person to a fault and i thought (i don't, i can't make that call based on one opinion you hold that seems, keyword "seems", judgmental)that well... so what? no one's perfect

posted January 27, 2021 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Ok, seems like everyone is thinking that I'm just sticking my nose in someone else's business. That's not true, but you can all believe what you want.

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if everyone thinks it maybe it's something you've said... just saying, but like even stepping outside of that i answered your question and threw out some astrological guesses

stay at home mothers do more than just raise the kids 24/7 you know, it's not just all about the kids there's more to maintaining a house than that

also based on their ages and hers they were not 10 years old 30 years ago, which is when you said she was done so why is 10 what you're using now?

confusing but honestly irrelevant ultimately because i legit don't care about a lady i don't know at all

first 7 years are the most important actually, just throwing that out there

anyway like i said their personal **** is irrelevant you asked what in a chart makes someone inclined to not work "willing to or not" throughout their life, i used my chart as an example and answered

posted January 27, 2021 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
MoonMystic, I'm not.

Dumuzi, I gave the 10 years example as a way of how I would do it, not how she did it. Yes, 7 years are the most important. I didn't want to expand more on how the mind (or body) of a child is formed or growing, I just said about the first 3 years in which their attachment style is formed. I know you don't care about her or her family. We are cool. I use charts of the people I know as a way of learning. Because I often need practical views on things combined with theory.

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alright as long as we're cool it's all good

posted January 27, 2021 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
You just got caught up in a lot of unnecessary personal information here. The question is needed to be short to avoid it, something like “why this woman doesn’t want to work and being proud about it”. There’s a type of women who thinks it’s a man job to provide. If her man doesn’t mind it...

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