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Kerosene
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posted January 11, 2014 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you guys use them?
I've found them very interested in them.
I've studied most of the stuff I found online but never seen astrologers practically discuss the use of trans neptunians in astrology.
We use the nodes, asc, vertex, bml

What about them is not astrologically feasible.

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posted January 11, 2014 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump because I'd like to read peoples opinions

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posted January 11, 2014 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As mentioned on the other thread, I include Eris. She and Pluto are the only ones I use. It's not because I feel the others are invalid, I just haven't spent much time with them.

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posted January 11, 2014 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My reason as well.

Still studying the basics.

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Kerosene
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posted January 11, 2014 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
opps well those are physical bodies Xiiro.
Everyone knows they are significant but they simply lack direction in which to properly study them, so they ignore them lol.
I meant the Uranian (trans-neptunian objects)
Hades
cupido
adementos
kronos
Poseidon
etc

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posted January 11, 2014 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one has planets conjunct Uranians?

Do you feel yours?

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posted January 11, 2014 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
opps well those are physical bodies Xiiro.
Everyone knows they are significant but they simply lack direction in which to properly study them, so they ignore them lol.
I meant the Uranian (trans-neptunian objects)
Hades
cupido
adementos
kronos
Poseidon
etc

Ahh, I have not played with those either. My Uranus is very noticable to me, but it hangs out in my 7H all by its lonesome.

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posted January 11, 2014 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can do up an Interpretation, if you are interested.

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posted January 11, 2014 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you
You gave me one remember?
I saved it!

Do you use them yourself personally?

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IMoppedtheFloor
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posted January 11, 2014 09:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
actually im really really into these and I've started threads about them before on other forums but they always die immediately - no one actually USES them!

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posted January 11, 2014 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not qualified, I haven't studied them.

I would gladly do them for anyone who is interested, though.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/009466.html

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posted January 11, 2014 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are very valid bodies as well, thought I haven't paid enough research and attention to them yet. But Raymond is someone around LL that knows a lot about them. Not sure if he is still around thought.

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posted January 11, 2014 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finally....
Well I would love to hear your ideas, thoughts, questions about them!

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posted January 11, 2014 09:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There used to be an in-depth, individual page for each trans-neptunian with a list of the traits for each on this website but that particular section of the site doesn't even work anymore. This is what's left :
http://www.uranian-institute.org/bfglyphs.htm

I do remember they said Poseidon was the "realm of the angelic".


This is the link for their astrology software:
http://www.uranian-institute.org/aureasdemo.htm

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posted January 11, 2014 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AriesLilith:
They are very valid bodies as well, thought I haven't paid enough research and attention to them yet. But Raymond is someone around LL that knows a lot about them. Not sure if he is still around thought.

They are overlooked I mean it is understandable but imo they sorta explain things about yourself that the classical planets can not.

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posted January 11, 2014 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I read his articles on them very informative...
Less fatalistic and more intelligent realistic,
Can you relate?
Do you have planets conjunct Poseidon?

I also read an article about someones meditation with these energies and gave like physical manifestations for each planet.
I thought it was really interesting.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
They are overlooked I mean it is understandable but imo they sorta explain things about yourself that the classical planets can not.

I don't even think that it's overlooked necessarily it's just that there's so little known about them that you can't really learn anything so everyone gives up and ignores them. I've been sniffing around them for years now trying to get more info and now I'm just really annoyed cuz the Meditations for each of the Uranians link is down. Did I meditate with them? No, but the string of adjectives for each just helped you get a really strong sense of what each one means that the last couple of links I gave you, don't really do as well.

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posted January 11, 2014 10:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
Yes I read his articles on them very informative...
Less fatalistic and more intelligent realistic,
Can you relate?
Do you have planets conjunct Poseidon?

I also read an article about someones meditation with these energies and gave like physical manifestations for each planet.
I thought it was really interesting.


She moved those here!
http://www.rubymala.com/content/astrology/meditations.htm

Hover over the 'astrology' tab on that page, and you'll get a drop down menu. Click on 'meditations', and they're all there.

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posted January 11, 2014 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd would just like to know peoples person experiences with them.
Honestly that is the best way of learning!
I mean I've learned so much from peoples perspective about planets.

If you have a uranian conjunct the sun or moon it is significant to you.
I mean I'm sure you can feel it when you know it exists..

Like I have sun-moon-Mercury conjunct hades like within a degree.
Do I relate with everything said about Hades?
No obviously not but I think it explains dimensions of my psyche that my natal chart without uranians can't explain.

I think Hades gives me a better understanding of how dark our world can be.. The bleak reality
in away I can see beauty and optimism in most things because I've also experienced the darkest..
I have read about Hades being this extremely Malefic energy but I like the way it feels for me, now that identified ITS PRESENCE.

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posted January 11, 2014 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:
I don't even think that it's overlooked necessarily it's just that there's so little known about them that you can't really learn anything so everyone gives up and ignores them. I've been sniffing around them for years now trying to get more info and now I'm just really annoyed cuz the Meditations for each of the Uranians link is down. Did I meditate with them? No, but the string of adjectives for each just helped you get a really strong sense of what each one means that the last couple of links I gave you, don't really do as well.

These?


Cupido
Cupido (Coo Pee Doe)
Getting together. All groups: family, marriage, society, partnerships, organizations,
corporations, collections. Art. Marriage. This is the planet of togetherness.

Hades
Hades (Hay Deez)
All that is unpleasant, useless, antique, or deeply buried. The occult. Hades is misunderstood
because many think only of the negative meanings: dirt, garbage, sewage, sickness, poverty,
mistakes, and all things ugly and sinister. There is a positive side that deals with antiquity,
depth, and past lives.

Zeus
Zeus (Zoos)
Controlled, directed energy. Machines; creativity; leadership. All things military. Combustion
engines. Compulsion. Drive. Zeus is like a loaded gun that is aimed. Even the glyph looks like
a rocket. It signifies well-planned efforts.

Kronos
Kronos (Krow Nos)
Superiority: the highest quality attainable; the ultimate in authority; standard of excellence;
undisputed expert. Zeus and Kronos traveled in a very close square from 1900 to about 1970.
All natal horoscopes from 1900 to 1950 have these two planets together on the dial. These
two together speak of energetic, creative activity of the highest quality. Unfortunately, they
also speak of warfare, armament, and military commanders. The world experienced both
sides of this combination.

Apollon
Apollon (Ap Pull On)
The multiplier: expansion and spreading; growth and increase. Science; commerce; trade;
industry; peaceful efforts. The glyph is a combination of Jupiter and Gemini, and Apollon is
truly a Superduper Jupiter.

Admetos
Admetos (Add Meet Tos)
The brick wall: steadfast; stable; immovable. Shrinking. Narrowing down to a sharp focus.
Specialization. Endurance. The glyph for Admetos shows an affinity for the sign Taurus and
must be drawn with a base line to show the Admetos capacity to be steadfast, stable, and
immovable. Admetos describes inertia, slow motion, and things that go around in a circle like
phonograph records and ceiling fans.

Vulcanus
Vulcanus (Vul Can Is)
All that is mighty and powerful. Strength. Intensity. If a sentence has the word mighty or
powerful in it, the planetary signature will have Vulcanus in it. If the Sun and Vulcanus are
together, the vitality, strength, and muscular power describe outstanding good health.

Poseidon
Poseidon (Po Side In)
Spirituality; truth; ideation; enlightenment; illumination. Wisdom and culture. Poseidon has an
affinity for Pisces and its glyph looks like a sideways version of Pisces. Be careful drawing the
glyph, so it is not mistaken for Neptune. Poseidon is Super Neptune without a negative side.


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quote:
Originally posted by Kerosene:
I'd would just like to know peoples person experiences with them.
Honestly that is the best way of learning!
I mean I've learned so much from peoples perspective about planets.

If you have a uranian conjunct the sun or moon it is significant to you.
I mean I'm sure you can feel it when you know it exists..

Like I have sun-moon-Mercury conjunct hades like within a degree.
Do I relate with everything said about Hades?
No obviously not but I think it explains dimensions of my psyche that my natal chart without uranians can't explain.

I think Hades gives me a better understanding of how dark our world can be.. The bleak reality
in away I can see beauty and optimism in most things because I've also experienced the darkest..
I have read about Hades being this extremely Malefic energy but I like the way it feels for me, now that identified ITS PRESENCE.


I just ran a sample of my chart interpreted using the Uranians...and...it's...all...true. I've never had an astrology reading EVER be that accurate. And it wasn't even a full reading because it's a demo!

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posted January 11, 2014 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are used by Uranian Astrologers and although midpoints are mostly tools of cosmobiological interpretatons they are also used by Uranian astrologers in conjunction with the 8 trans neptunian planets.I've been studying them for awhile now.

I have Jupiter conjunct Hades natal,
Zeus conjunct mars
Zeus square neptune
Kronos square mars
Kronos opp neptune
Apollon conjunct pluto
Apollon square moon
Admetos sq mercury,venus,sun and saturn
Vulcanus sq moon
Vulcanus conjunct pluto
poseidon conjunct MC
Poseidon sq ASC.

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posted January 11, 2014 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What have you decided?

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The only trans-neptunian that forms a heavy duty aspect with anything in my chart - and by heavy duty I mean a degree or less in orb - is Poseidon, conjunct my moon.

Poseidon (from here : http://www.rubymala.com/content/astrology/poseidon.htm )


Poseidon

The energy entered as female, a mermaid rising from rippling, shimmering waters, offering a rich abundance of imagery in the first moment – a very generous being.

This is the master of psychic imagery, spiritual aspiration, and of the heart's longing - all senses opened, gifted, and transcended.

Heard vocal music that shimmers, like the most exquisite works of Arvo Pärt, John Adams, Steve Reich – full of ever-expanding pulsing and ripples of sound.

The sound of Universal Manifestation that can be clairaudiently heard, that is a magical blend of a full range vocal AH, the gentle gurgling sound of a river stream, and subtle fairy bells woven throughout.

From this primordial sound arises the most exquisite and delicate of rainbows.

The elements are water and light – here is shown how water as a fertile medium receives the light, dances as the light is reflected, amplified, absorbed, and refracted all at once.

This creates illusion, delusion, inspiration, and delight.

There is a tender longing to the energy that beckons one beyond the earthbound dimension.

The lovely mermaid as personification is telling of how the energy is both instinctual and of the creative unconscious, and is also spiritually sophisticated and subtle, and also participates in the magical fairy kingdom realm.

Here is fantasy, inspiration, longing.

For as remote and refined as this energy is, she has a natural alliance and resonance with our own Moon, the closest and most personal of our celestial family.

Flowers, which exist for ethereal, voluptuous beauty.

Enchantment!

Has a quality like rainbow moonstone.

The mermaid let out a high pitched cry that opened the crack between the worlds – this is the potential of vocal overtoning when done with clear intent and receptivity.

It is clear to see that this energy relates to glass and mirrors, that which lets light thru, or reflects it back, in either case not taking on whatever it is that passes thru or reflects back... it stays pure and true to its nature.

This is also the breaking of that glass or mirror! there is subtlety, fragility.

An invitation was given to open, to Listen, to allow the shimmering sound to fill me and pulse thru me in a spiral movement, the exhilarating effect of which was a good energy clearing and recharge.

The energy then invited me to participate by offering vocal overtoning which I did, and which pleased the energy.

This feels like the realm of the angelic.

Ascension and expansion.

This energy can create light as well as reflect or refract it.

As light carries consciousness, this energy inspires and assists those who can relate to this subtlety of refinement of energy, helping them move toward en-light-enment.

It is also very easy to mistake an illusion or mirage for what is real.

The energy calls for faith, but also patient grounded discernment.

One can get lost here – it can be the hall of mirrors of optical calcite.

This energy can be very seductive.

The entrapping seduction and illusion is how and why this energy is used in media and propaganda, where the intent is to manipulate the perceptions, beliefs, feelings and experience of the receiver thru deliberate projected psychic imagery.

Like a pretty rainbow shining thru a diamond-shaped facet inside an ice-pink danburite crystal, deceptively sweet and pretty for an exceedingly potent and sophisticated stone and energy.

Bubbles.

A unicorn approached – another mythical being of far greater depth and power than is usually seen or understood.

This energy is solidly in alignment with universal law and principle, with compassion, truth, equanimity, altruism and acceptance.

But when approached thru the frailties of the human factor, one will more likely experience the diffraction or mirage qualities.

It is not the fault of the glass or mirror that it is dusty.

When approached with clarity and humility, it will reflect with clarity.

Poseidon relates to the clear light dimension of the Buddhist.

This energy lies beyond the ability of the mind to 'figure it out'.

Pods of dolphins and whales, the master record-keepers and masters of communication.

This energy is a collective energy with far-reaching recall.

Art or music that aspires to spirit and transcendence is of this energy.

Idealism, the sometimes bittersweet spiritual longing for union with spirit that can pull one to consciously embark on a spiritual path.

This energy is a gateway to other dimensions.

This realm is inhabited by spiritual guides and mentors!

There is great healing possible thru this energy that naturally begins when one steps into universal flow.

Spiritual teleology.

Gratitude and devotion help one to connect with this energy.

It is not sentimental.

As Indira's web showed the golden threads that interconnect all beings, Poseidon reveals the dynamic watery grid, where every thought, intent, feeling and act ripples out, and our responsibility to all other beings and their right-to-be, not only around us, but in other dimensions and echoing into the past and future as well, as this dynamic watery grid extends beyond this time and space.

This energy is related to the winds and channels of our subtle energy body.

Poseidon is master of the art of dreaming, and the lessons and practices that are possible there.

Relates to all psychic senses, most notably clairvoyance and clairaudience.

Poseidon can be exuberant, and prayerful.

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Kerosene
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posted January 12, 2014 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes those are the meditations I read.
Poseidon and the Moon seem to be a very nice pair.
Seems to be a more tame form of Neptune, interesting!!!!

For Xiiro
Not sure if you read this.
You probably have http://www.rubymala.com/content/astrology/eris.htm

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