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Topic: Emotionally Manipulative Person
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Gemmy
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posted January 31, 2014 10:04 AM
  
Do you guys think emotional manipulation is seen in the natal or in synastry?If so what are the placements and aspects in the natal that would contribute to it.And also in synastry.I've dealt with someone like this.I'd like to say it's just how he is,but I don't think he was like this before.Or maybe he was. I think the contributing placements are:
Cancer Rising
7th house Cap Moon square Saturn
3rd house Virgo Venus square Neptune
Libra Sun conjunct Pluto by 1 degree In synastry we have lots of Neptune and 12th house stuff going on.And his Sun/Pluto conjunct trines my personal planet stellium.All at close degrees. What have been your experiences with emotional manipulation?Do you think it was in the natal or synastry?
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fauxcoat
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posted January 31, 2014 10:19 AM
The signs I find emotionally manipulative:Gemini
Capricorn
Aquarius
Pisces
Scorpio Other signs can be affected if they have a lot of these planets in their chart. Such as Libra with a lot of Scorp and Cancer with a lot of Gemini.
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Gemmy
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posted January 31, 2014 01:49 PM
He does have a scorpio Mercury.IP: Logged |
lioninash
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posted January 31, 2014 03:23 PM
The most manipulative person ive ever come across was a female, capricorn sun, pisces moon and mars in capricorn. She will stop at nothing to get what she wants. She's well known for finding out which guys her friends like and then sleeping with them. And she would always turn it around and say they came onto her, when she was the one pursuing them. Very pretty girl, but she uses her looks for negative things, such as what i mentioned above. She's so good at manipulating that HER FRIENDS would end up apologizing to HER for accusing her of sleeping with their boyfriends. Effing crazy. The funny thing is, her moon is in the 11th house (house of friendship) and its QUINTILE (a gift) her mercury (communication)! Which means she can basically talk her way out of anything.IP: Logged |
manderin
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posted January 31, 2014 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by lioninash:
The most manipulative person ive ever come across was a female, capricorn sun, pisces moon and mars in capricorn. She will stop at nothing to get what she wants. She's well known for finding out which guys her friends like and then sleeping with them. And she would always turn it around and say they came onto her, when she was the one pursuing them. Very pretty girl, but she uses her looks for negative things, such as what i mentioned above. She's so good at manipulating that HER FRIENDS would end up apologizing to HER for accusing her of sleeping with their boyfriends. Effing crazy. The funny thing is, her moon is in the 11th house (house of friendship) and its QUINTILE (a gift) her mercury (communication)! Which means she can basically talk her way out of anything.
I knew someone similar to this. It's amazing how certain people seem to have the power to make others around them fall under some sort of spell that makes them unable to see the obvious, isn't it? People like this tend to keep very weak and sometimes even pathetic individuals around them because these types are much more likely to both take the abuse AND also defend the abuser when they're called out on their behavior. So it's a win-win for the manipulater. Just like in Waco- the folowers of the manipulative cult learder will rarely listen to reason so it's best to stay far away and let the damage occur as far away from you as possible. It's a "save yourself or be burned trying & failing to save others" kind of thing. IP: Logged |
just_add_water
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posted January 31, 2014 04:54 PM
Sun cancer
Gemini moon
Mercury cancer
Venus gemini
Mars cancer hereAnd I would consider myself emotionally manipulative and it's bad because it sometimes comes in forms of text message which can be a 400 word reply out of time .. My cancer mars and gemini Moon don't benefit each other I feel and when I'm emotionally rowld up I have to let out out and wow do I let some people have it .. In trying to learn to control it IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted January 31, 2014 04:56 PM
Sun in Libra.IP: Logged |
manderin
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posted January 31, 2014 05:07 PM
Signs don't really have much to do with this. It's more about aspects, although there are exceptions.Barring other influences, anyone with their saturn making harsh aspects to your inner planets- especially the moon is likely to be emotionally manipulative/abusive toward you. They may not see it that way however. But emotional manipulation is a broad term and can mean just about anything. Anyone treating someone else badly without using physical violence can be called "emotionally manipulative."
Jupiter conjunct Rahu (Jup + NN in western astrology) in a natal chart is a red flag that the person is no-good. These people are often popular and well-liked, but in reality they are insincere and back-stabbers. Vedic astrology warns against them, but I ignored the texts and unfortunately the two people who I've known with this aspect ended up screwing me over badly. So barring any other cancellation influence this conjunction in a Natal chart shows someone who lacks integrity and is emotionally manipulative.
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Ellynlvx
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posted January 31, 2014 05:12 PM
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She's so good at manipulating that HER FRIENDS would end up apologizing to HER
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lioninash
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posted January 31, 2014 05:28 PM
You're right Manderin! She always keeps the same group of people. All of which are emotionally damaged, and have a drug problem from time to time. Another thing is that they'll talk crap about her and say "she thinks she's perfect." or "she's so fake." yet they remain friends with her and bend to her every will, and also defend her if someone outside of the group were to say the same things! Its one whole cluster f*ck of craziness!IP: Logged |
Gemmy
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posted January 31, 2014 05:44 PM
@lioninash,that person sounds like she has a combination of narcissistic and histrionic personality traits.IP: Logged |
earthypisces
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posted January 31, 2014 05:48 PM
The most emotionally manipulative person that I've ever met is someone with a Scorpio stellium. He has Sun, Moon, Ascendant, Venus, and Pluto in Scorpio.------------------
My chart: http://i.imgur.com/N9w5x4Z.gif IP: Logged |
manderin
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posted January 31, 2014 05:55 PM
Yeah it can be hard to watch. I know exactly what you're talking about. The person I have in mind also cheated on her bf and would brag about it to everyone making him look like a fool. But when he found out about it HE apologized to HER for not being enough for her. And the same thing happened when she did something terrible to another friend of her's . I couldn't believe it when he apologized the HER after she took his medication out of his cabinet to show everyone that he suffered from mental illness! It's something that doesn't make any sense and it can be frustrating when you want to stop the person from continuing their horrible behavior but you can't because the people who are most damaged by the behavior themselves will rally against you if you try...which only encourages the manipulator even more to go on stealing, lieing, whatever. So like Jim Rohn used to say, It's one of those things you just have to accept as reality and walk away. Mentally AND physically far away. Trying to fix it or make sense of it is only going to waste your mental and emotional energy. Because with you or without you, that ship is eventually going to go down. So best not go down with it. So best not to be on that ship- even though it's hard watching people you care about drown from a distance. Many people who've watched others fall into the world of heavy drugs can relate to this as well. IP: Logged |
lioninash
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posted January 31, 2014 07:16 PM
@gemmy narcistic is an understatement. And speaking of narcistic, isnt that the name of an asteroid? I wonder if its in aspect in her chart.@manderin you're right, its sad but true. Sometimes you just gotta let that ship sink and stand far, far away while doing so. IP: Logged |
Nicole401
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posted January 31, 2014 07:28 PM
Emotionally manipulative or abusive?
If emotionally abusive (or if they're both the same thing LOL)
I'd say Mercury/Pluto, Mercury in Scorp/8th House - very sharp tongue, because verbal abuse is a HUGE part of emotional abuse, I'm guilty of it at times  They (or the ones I know) only hurt when they're hurt themselves though. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted January 31, 2014 07:36 PM
Libra being manipulative it does not sound so strange.
with an aries.
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Doux Rêve
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posted January 31, 2014 08:00 PM
I think a more interesting question would be to ask... Why does this person feel the need to manipulate others? What are their motivations?And then you can usually see what's going on, looking at the chart. Moon/Saturn reflects a deep fear of abandonment and rejection. The 7H Moon is a fundamentally "needy" placement - emotionally dependent on others, but afraid to admit it (square to Saturn). That Moon is the chart ruler, so it's even more important here and becomes extremely prominent in that person's psychological landscape.
Venus square Neptune points to an overly idealistic romantic nature that is often hurt/disappointed by "reality" and can become quite irrational/irrealistic when it comes to dealing with others.
The Sun conjunct Pluto in Libra points to the desire of being loved and appreciated. But that desire conflicts with the needy/fearful Moon placement and can in turn manifest as controlling / paranoid / manipulative tendencies. Hope this makes sense. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted January 31, 2014 08:02 PM
Libra can be manipulative, but more like a lawyer than emotionally. The people who hate Libra are usually those who can't emotionally manipulate them because Libra analyzes everything rather than letting their buttons get pushed, but that's not being emotionally manipulative, that's refusing to let you emotionally manipulate them. IP: Logged |
Gemmy
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posted January 31, 2014 09:01 PM
Thank you Doux,it makes complete sense.The fact that his Moon is the chart ruler escaped me.  Pixie,I might've brought out that emotional manipulation cause I load all my personal planets into his 12th house.I don't think he was like this before.  At times knowing astrology is so frustrating.I wish I could just be there for him.I know it's need,pain,and pride that drives him to do this.It's just difficult for me to be submissive to him.I can't do that. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted January 31, 2014 09:21 PM
I'm not saying Libra can't be emotionally manipulative, but if so it won't be because of the Libra sun. The closest pure Libra will come to that is "it's not fair!" (But even then they instinctively try to be fair themselves...but as always other placements matter.)IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted January 31, 2014 09:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
Libra can be manipulative, but more like a lawyer than emotionally. The people who hate Libra are usually those who can't emotionally manipulate them because Libra analyzes everything rather than letting their buttons get pushed, but that's not being emotionally manipulative, that's refusing to let you emotionally manipulate them.
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moonstruck87
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posted January 31, 2014 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by earthypisces:
The most emotionally manipulative person that I've ever met is someone with a Scorpio stellium. He has Sun, Moon, Ascendant, Venus, and Pluto in Scorpio.
woahhh :-O
I know a scorp asc/scorp sun person & I thought he was manipulative/narcissistic...
holy hell
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PixieJane
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posted January 31, 2014 11:46 PM
The one Libra I knew who was emotionally manipulative had an intense Scorpio stellium (she should've been an honorary Scorpio!). I loved talking about esoteric subjects with her (and I think she did, too) but she was absurd about what she'd hold a grudge over and for how long (as in forever, she still ranted on things done 50 years ago!). Even she realized it at times and tried to overcome it but she was unable, a bitter gray lizard who smiled to your face patiently waiting for you to turn your back to stick a knife in it to "balance the scales" over some slight real or imagined. And it was one versatile memory she had, able to remember what she wanted vividly but unable to remember saying something just a few minutes ago if it wasn't convenient, including agreeing to something and then saying she never agreed, and then getting mad when people wanted proof (like a written note or getting her verbal agreement on tape, which btw she'd never give). And then she could warp memories in absurd ways always making herself an epic martyr (I realize most people have ways to doing this, but she went well beyond what was normal)...I confronted her as a Libra on that before showing how some great injustice she said she was the victim of was impossible to the point even she had to concede she was remembering it wrong but that just got me on her list to smile at and stick a knife in my back next with all sorts of warped memories about me so that she felt her malice toward me was justified. The most disturbing part was seeing her regress to acting like a little girl (which she never remembered after, I wondered if she wasn't a multiple personality of some kind) which included petulant voices, tantrums, and tears (which seething Scorpion rage). I suspect she was trying to impose past drama from her childhood into current relationships by doing this, or maybe all that Scorpio energy was too much for her and she went literally insane, I don't know. I won't have anything at all to do with her now. Not unless I learn she has turned into a (Libra) Phoenix. IP: Logged |
Gemmy
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posted February 01, 2014 12:00 AM
That woman sounds insane Pixie.  The more I read these stories the more I think something in our synastry provoked him to be that way with me.The lies he told were huge.Hes faked serious life threatening illness,just crazy excuses.Confusing I tell ya. IP: Logged |
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