posted February 14, 2014 10:13 AM            

I am a Sag rising with Jupiter/Sag/12th house

1) Power is usually Saturn but in my chart and with my associations it is Jupiter.

2) President Obama, he has a 12th house Jupiter, therefore an 11th hour friend.
(think superstorm Sandy)

3) yes, like attracts like

4) Current Pope

5) it's important to be morally sound and to remain so even when the deck is stacked against you.

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posted February 14, 2014 12:15 PM            

Personal power:
having the courage and strength to live the life you desire to live even if it conflicts with family/social expectations (as long as it doesn't involve harming others)
being emotionally self-sufficient and able to stand up for yourself and others
facing hardships without escaping into substance abuse
trying to be a good person despite having been hurt by people and fortune many times
not being afraid of death

2.

3. Yes but I don't meet such people often. It's hard not to be drawn to something you admire.
4. Answer number 1?
5. I think I already own the "personal power", at least to some extent. I wouldn't mind having the "general power" too.

Aspects between the planets you mentioned:
Sun conjunct Saturn
Sun conjunct Uranus
Sun sextile Pluto
Mars trine Saturn
Mars opposite Pluto

Sun in the 5th
Mars in the 9th
Saturn in the 5th
Uranus in the 4th
Pluto in the 3th

Saturn is my dominant planet and Pluto is my singleton.

posted February 14, 2014 12:30 PM            

She's prominent in my chart conjunct dsc opp venus and I constantly need to feel empowered or else I'm out.

I don't mind being flexible and accomdating but if someone makes me feel like I'm not an equal than we are going to have an issue.

Eris conjunct mars and I sorta feel like this has something to do with it.

posted February 14, 2014 01:55 PM            

Personally, Pluto has made me a very powerful human in my own rigth due to various struggles in life and also the sheer will to live that was handed me when I was born. I radiate "survival" and I love to try and show other humans how to find this within themselves.

posted February 14, 2014 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Okay this a thread I would like to discuss the manifestation and or the development of ''power'' in a person by examining the natal chart.
I would like you to take a few mins to answer the following questions and to provide your astrological aspects/planetary positions with respect to the sun,mars,pluto,uranus,saturn:
1. what is power to you?
2. Who do you think come close to your description of power among people you know or people you are close to?
3. Are you drawn to 'powerful people'? If yes why? if no, why?
4. What is 'powerful people' to you?
5. What sort of 'power' do you want to have in your life one day or you think you have now?

Let's see how well this thread fares

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Power to me is being in control of others. The most powerful tools for this: money and media.
I generally dislike authority figures but have respect for laws and follow them. I find authority figures can abuse their power.
I don't like being around people who have power, generally, because they tend to abuse it and I find this greatly disturbing.
I like the feeling of having power over my own will and feel most powerful when I am not driven by subconscious drives like others. My sense of empowerment is the feeling or rational control of such drives and that I can limit them through exercising will power.

posted February 15, 2014 12:28 AM            

I thought this would be too heavy for LL but glad I got you guys brains to pick

I only had the time to glance at all your replies, ( will definitely go through your answers more thoroughly later on), however I remember Cappy has a ultimate grand dispositor ( Saturn right?), anyone else has an ultimate grand dispositor? SSS? Charlie, do you have pluto as a prominent planet in your chart?SSS, am sensing a lot of pluto in your answers, would like to know your pluto midpoints please?

Kero, what are your bml midpoints?

lalalinda, hi yeah I think Saturn has a lot to do with power BUT there is so many versions of power.

posted February 15, 2014 01:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
wow thanks for participating in this thread guys

I thought this would be too heavy for LL but glad I got you guys brains to pick

I only had the time to glance at all your replies, ( will definitely go through your answers more thoroughly later on), however I remember Cappy has a ultimate grand dispositor ( Saturn right?), anyone else has an ultimate grand dispositor? SSS? Charlie, do you have pluto as a prominent planet in your chart?SSS, am sensing a lot of pluto in your answers, would like to know your pluto midpoints please?

Kero, what are your bml midpoints?

lalalinda, hi yeah I think Saturn has a lot to do with power BUT there is so many versions of power.

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I have Pluto as a Singleton square my Sun, Moon and Mercury.

Conjunct Mars and Ascendant (1H) in pChart.

posted February 15, 2014 05:02 AM            

And also financial, social status, political power.

Saturn - chart ruler in the 1st conj asc. If I may ask, can I have final dispositor if I have a singleton? Idk in my graph chart pluto is a singleton and every other planets point to saturn.

2. Who do you think come close to your description of power among people you know or people you are close to? Hmmmm not many, there are some who I think have the "potentials" for "personal" power but again, too early to tell.

About political n financial power, I have seen it with my own family. Money n power sure get them a lot of things.

3. Are you drawn to 'powerful people'? If yes why? if no, why? Hmmm yeah I'm drawn to people who seem to be self-possessed and have strong will.

Idk, I tend to avoid or at least feel wary around the other types. Lesson learned. It's like I'm more wary of what it can do to them. It tends to corrupt, and being around those people to me is like walking on a minefield.

4. What is 'powerful people' to you? Hmm, people who are in control of themselves and often succeed at not letting their demons get the better of them?

5. What sort of 'power' do you want to have in your life one day or you think you have now?

Well, self-possession is one thing that I absolutely need and want to have.

posted February 15, 2014 08:41 AM            

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however I remember Cappy has a ultimate grand dispositor ( Saturn right?)

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posted February 15, 2014 08:58 AM            

1. what is power to you?

Spiritual power. The ability to heal and uplift oneself and others through spiritual means.

2. Who do you think come close to your description of power among people you know or people you are close to?

I'm not personally well acquainted with many healers, on the magnitude I'm thinking about. There is at least one on this forum, however.

Powerful famous people include "celebrity" Buddhist monks, Bernie Siegel (author of Love, Medicine, and Miracles), Edgar Cayce, Elvis (a little-known fact.)

3. Are you drawn to 'powerful people'? If yes why? if no, why?

People who are powerful in the classic sense, the rich and famous, just intrigue me. I'm curious about them. But I am also curious about most people. Beyond that I think synastry factors always apply. I won't be drawn to someone if their energy puts me off.

4. What is 'powerful people' to you?

My idea of power: See answer #1
What I think a lot of other people mean by it: Answer #3

5. What sort of 'power' do you want to have in your life one day or you think you have now?

Power goal: Answer #1
Current power: That is really difficult to answer. Several people have told me that I am "different" than others, and they say it in a very respectful way, like, "It's great talking to you, you're so different." Maybe by being true to my eccentricities I am inspiring others to be true to theirs as well.

I just want to be able to affect others positively, through my energy, awareness, consideration, and by being a source of valuable knowledge.

provide your astrological aspects/planetary positions with respect to the sun,mars,pluto,uranus,saturn:

posted February 15, 2014 09:06 AM            

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Yes.

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posted February 17, 2014 05:05 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
1. what is power to you? To be in control of oneself,to have strong will, that's power to me.

And also financial, social status, political power.

Saturn - chart ruler in the 1st conj asc. If I may ask, can I have final dispositor if I have a singleton? Idk in my graph chart pluto is a singleton and every other planets point to saturn.

2. Who do you think come close to your description of power among people you know or people you are close to? Hmmmm not many, there are some who I think have the "potentials" for "personal" power but again, too early to tell.

About political n financial power, I have seen it with my own family. Money n power sure get them a lot of things.

3. Are you drawn to 'powerful people'? If yes why? if no, why? Hmmm yeah I'm drawn to people who seem to be self-possessed and have strong will.

Idk, I tend to avoid or at least feel wary around the other types. Lesson learned. It's like I'm more wary of what it can do to them. It tends to corrupt, and being around those people to me is like walking on a minefield.

4. What is 'powerful people' to you? Hmm, people who are in control of themselves and often succeed at not letting their demons get the better of them?

5. What sort of 'power' do you want to have in your life one day or you think you have now?

Well, self-possession is one thing that I absolutely need and want to have.

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posted February 17, 2014 05:07 AM            

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[QUOTE]however I remember Cappy has a ultimate grand dispositor ( Saturn right?)

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you are in your early 20s if I'm not mistaken.

posted February 17, 2014 05:12 AM            

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Originally posted by SerpeantKing:
Power is the strength of your will. It is your might, you're chi, you're authority, our ego, and it has everything to do with Mars. Pluto is more associated with our ability to survive.
So Mars is the singularity to power. Other planets only may assist it.
Aspect Pluto Conjunct Mars or Opposition(The Conjunction creates a person who has a strong will to survive and opposition enhances produces bravery and honor.
If Mars is in the 1st house, the person holds power and is a warrior. If Mars is in the 7th house, the person holds power through their partner and is a symbol of comrades. If Mars is in the 10th house, the person is powerful through his career or is known by everyone as a powerful person/warrior.
A Sun/Mars Conjunction produces the "Soul of a Warrior" A guy like Jesse Ventura.
Mars is also greatly enhanced by Saturn in the phrase that "knowledge is power". When Mars Conjuncts Saturn, the person is perfectly disciplined when it comes to when and when not to use his will. When it opposes, the person learns much through experiances that strengthen him or her later on in life.
Mars is Strongest in Aries, not Scorpio or Capricorn.

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posted February 17, 2014 05:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Do you mean strong will? that you deem lacking in yourself? you are a cap sun right?

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I don't think that I "lack "it, I'm ok at the moment but "more" would be wonderful lol. I want to keep it up, to be stronger - to me it's like climbing a stair that never ends. So I keep reminding myself about it.

posted February 17, 2014 06:39 AM            

But, in my own understanding, power in general, is just the ability to be able to do something. We all have power but its extent depends on how efficiently one can create change by "doing something". It may be a change in people, technological advancements, something that can be at least palpable to the majority.

2. Some of the "powerful" people I know are the leader types (stereotypical, I know). I find that their charisma is their greatest asset. They can realize their ideas simply because they are able to relay it in a way that appeals to the people.

3. In a way, yeah. I'm drawn to intellectually powerful people. By that, I mean the holistic intellectual, not just someone who focuses on theories alone. But well, in terms of political power and the like, I'm VERY allergic to that.

4. I guess 1 & 2 would answer this question.

5. I guess I just want to have the power to be myself and be able to touch people's lives with my skills and talents (too grandiose for my own good, I know lol).

Astrological placements (I wonder if these reflect my answers though lol):

posted February 17, 2014 06:48 AM            

yeah it does.

posted February 17, 2014 07:22 AM            

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1. what is power to you?

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Hmm. There are different kinds of power.
There's power when it comes to influencing people - making an impact with words, behavior, and the overall "vibe". Think of people in authority who come across as "strong" and determined - "Don't mess with me" type of thing. People like that can inspire fear or respect, or admiration.
Generally there's the idea of controlling the minds of others.

Then there's the more vicious type of power - that includes abuse, psychological or physical torture. There's the idea of "being superior" here, having the upper hand in a situation, controlling someone forcefully as opposed to influencing or persuading them.

And then there's the more subtle, more personal type of power which to me is the ability to survive, stand up for yourself, fight your battles with dignity, take on challenges and face your inner demons. The kind of power that makes you strong yet humble, experienced but not cynical, hopeful but not delusional. Power "over yourself", so to speak.

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2. Who do you think come close to your description of power among people you know or people you are close to?

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The power I described first - politicians. Someone like Putin, haha.

The power I described last - someone like Nick Vujicic.

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3. Are you drawn to 'powerful people'? If yes why? if no, why?

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I definitely find powerful people attractive. People who either exude confidence / strength or a quiet maturity / wisdom. Because they are inspiring and you know they'll let you know if they have a problem with you (by either stabbing you in the face or simply telling you, hah).

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4. What is 'powerful people' to you?

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People who make things happen.

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5. What sort of 'power' do you want to have in your life one day or you think you have now?

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I'd like to have the kind of power that would make me confident in myself and my abilities. Power in the sense that I'd feel confident in whatever decisions I make; standing strong within myself and my values. Hm basically, having a strong sense of identity, without being arrogant or delusional about it. I don't think I have it yet, but I'm planning on developing it...

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sun,mars,pluto,uranus,saturn:

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(6H) Scorpio Sun, Mars & Pluto sq. Saturn (11H)
Sun sextile Cap Uranus (9H)

posted February 17, 2014 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
You can talk about yourself Faith

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Music to my Leo rising ears!

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Your responses surprised me a bit, I was wondering if you have a prominent ceres and or neptune???

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Neptune aspects most of my chart and is conjunct Venus. I also have a Pisces moon.

Ceres is in a kite formation with some key asteroids:

posted February 17, 2014 08:13 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Jealous?

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