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CAY_512
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posted March 19, 2014 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by crabbypatty:
One of the professional astrologers on this site did a private reading for me some years ago......I first feel strongly that if anything were to happen with him, he would feel so guilt ridden that he would cut you off completely. That's one of the most common behaviors for people with hard Mars-Saturn aspects in their charts. Hanging up the phone is their favorite method of expressing anger, cutting off communication, and when they cut you out of their lives, there's no letting you back in

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Originally posted by inthemisosoup:
I have a natal Mars-Saturn square, and if people hurt me or I feel guilty about something/someone, I do cut them out of my life completely. Often with no contact. I thought it was my natal Venus-Pluto conjunction in Scorpio that was the culprit. I guess that makes me doubly cold. I don't believe in talking things out with someone to gain "closure". Closure happens with you move the f on.


Wow! I have never read anything like this before but I do this. If I am hurt or mad I cut that person of my life completely.

I have always wondered about how this aspect works for me. By the way, I'm a woman & it is a Leo Mars and Saturn Scorpio.

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Dancing Maenad
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posted March 19, 2014 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the opposition. I cut people off frequently. Recently had an engagement end and I terminated the accounts that could leave room for further contact. Destroyed pictures and threw gifts in the garbage bin. It's been 2 years since I haven't talked to my father because he was an abusive pieceofshit.

I rarely give second chances and when I do, I usually live to regret it.

Didn't know this was a Mars/Saturn thing, thought I was being a decisive Aries stellium.

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posted March 19, 2014 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I have the opposition. I cut people off frequently. Recently had an engagement end and I terminated the accounts that could leave room for further contact. Destroyed pictures and threw gifts in the garbage bin. It's been 2 years since I haven't talked to my father because he was an abusive pieceofshit.

I rarely give second chances and when I do, I usually live to regret it.

Didn't know this was a Mars/Saturn thing, thought I was being a decisive Aries stellium.


I can relate. Do all Saturn/Mars aspects have this quality? Do you think the trine and sextile create the same feeling?

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posted March 19, 2014 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I have the opposition. I cut people off frequently. Recently had an engagement end and I terminated the accounts that could leave room for further contact. Destroyed pictures and threw gifts in the garbage bin. It's been 2 years since I haven't talked to my father because he was an abusive pieceofshit.

I rarely give second chances and when I do, I usually live to regret it.

Didn't know this was a Mars/Saturn thing, thought I was being a decisive Aries stellium.


I do this too. Mars in Aqua sq saturn in scorp. I also thought it was an Aries thing, as I have an Aries moon.

When I'm done I'm done!!

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posted March 20, 2014 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rorrr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting. My bf has an exact Mars-Saturn square and it comes out sometimes when I see him behaving very controllingly... and often he will bottle up problems/negative thoughts until it erupts in a big burst. Do any of you do this?

Besides cutting off, how do you see your Mars square Saturn (or other hard aspects) affecting you?

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posted March 20, 2014 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have mars sq. saturn (+ aries moon)and I can confirm almost everything mentioned above.

I used to cut off people completely until I realized how unfair I am. Nowadays I try to be more human Despite being a triple-cancer I can be cold as ice if someone hurts my feelings. Those get a good kick in their pants and that's it. I never bat an eye.

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posted March 20, 2014 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CAY_512:
I can relate. Do all Saturn/Mars aspects have this quality? Do you think the trine and sextile create the same feeling?

I don't know. I don't think soft aspects cut people off. We do it as a form of avoiding bursting up in anger, soft aspects don't repress their anger the way we do. We're afraid of our anger, they are not. However, I have seen a bit of sadists with the soft aspects. I don't think we are as cruel because we're always with the foot on the break pedal and we'll never let it get that far.

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posted March 20, 2014 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahahaha...I am even scared to say something on this subject knowing you guys have saturn square mars nataly.

Well, Saturn square Mars especially if both strong in essential dignity and one ( usually mars) in 12th house indicates a killer, very aggressive person and its often found in a chart of a serial murderer . Person with " normal" mars square saturn jumps in to fights faster then others and loses control easier then average folks
...Its also the aspect of cruelty actually.

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posted March 20, 2014 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't **** us off then!

De Sade had Mars in Aries sq Saturn in Cancer. He wasn't a murderer though.

IMO Mars/Saturn is in better control of themselves and their urges than Uranian or Plutonian types, even. But yeah, I've seen sadists with this - though surprisingly the soft aspects were more common. How about that..

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posted March 20, 2014 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe the soft aspecters get by with it more often.

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posted March 20, 2014 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe we restrain our Mars much more than they do. I have an exact Mars/Pluto opposition, I don't want to imagine what kind of person I would have been if Saturn was not in the mix.

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posted March 20, 2014 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Don't **** us off then!

De Sade had Mars in Aries sq Saturn in Cancer. He wasn't a murderer though.

IMO Mars/Saturn is in better control of themselves and their urges than Uranian or Plutonian types, even. But yeah, I've seen sadists with this - though surprisingly the soft aspects were more common. How about that..


No way! I would f*** you off people! I love your aspect so much ( but not ahahaha)

Yes, De Sade had it and he was not a killer but he was killing in his fantasy and torturing with pleasure. I really looked once and found out that many of serial killer dudes had it..anyway person with MARS square Saturn is never masochist! That one is sure ..classic SADO aspect..I dont think it plays out with soft aspect though..square is very kinky and potentially dangerous..

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posted March 20, 2014 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I believe we restrain our Mars much more than they do. I have an exact Mars/Pluto opposition, I don't want to imagine what kind of person I would have been if Saturn was not in the mix.


uh...I would like to know more about your sexual fantasies, what turns you on..I am very curious about
that one I must admit

Do you mind telling us where they are? Which houses? But man! mars opposition pluto square saturn! I would def. dont like to be alone in the dark with you!

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posted March 21, 2014 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rorrr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by pocaloca:
No way! I would f*** you off people! I love your aspect so much ( but not ahahaha)

Yes, De Sade had it and he was not a killer but he was killing in his fantasy and torturing with pleasure. I really looked once and found out that many of serial killer dudes had it..anyway person with MARS square Saturn is never masochist! That one is sure ..classic SADO aspect..I dont think it plays out with soft aspect though..square is very kinky and potentially dangerous..



Hello all Mars square Saturns

Can anybody elaborate on this... Do you feel pleasure in commanding dominance? Never masochistic?

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posted March 21, 2014 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by pocaloca:
uh...I would like to know more about your sexual fantasies, what turns you on..I am very curious about
that one I must admit

Do you mind telling us where they are? Which houses? But man! mars opposition pluto square saturn! I would def. dont like to be alone in the dark with you!


I don't have a T-square, it's Mars opp Pluto AND Saturn. Oh and nobody complained about being alone with me in the dark

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posted March 21, 2014 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sexual fantasies? Not only are you intruding into my VERY private thoughts, but it's against the rules. You'll just have to figure them out in your own little head, darling.

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posted March 21, 2014 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I don't have a T-square, it's Mars opp Pluto AND Saturn. Oh and nobody complained about being alone with me in the dark


So Pluto conjuncts Saturn 180 Mars...In which house and sign if I may ask..( she dares!) I know about squares but less how it plays out when it comes to opposition..

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posted March 21, 2014 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
My sexual fantasies? Not only are you intruding into my VERY private thoughts, but it's against the rules. You'll just have to figure them out in your own little head, darling.


Oh...excuse moi Dancing!..
well, I have and idea though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAj4FXzwXD8

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posted March 21, 2014 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sag_stellium     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by rorrr:

Hello all Mars square Saturns

Can anybody elaborate on this... Do you feel pleasure in commanding dominance? Never masochistic?


Yes, the men do like dominating!

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posted March 21, 2014 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So Pluto conjuncts Saturn 180 Mars...In which house and sign if I may ask..( she dares!) I know about squares but less how it plays out when it comes to opposition..

Mars in Aries in the 3rd opp Pluto in Libra and Saturn in Scorpio in the 9th.

The squares usually are triggered by events, whereas oppositions by interactions. If someone attacks me as a Mars, I play out Saturn-Pluto, meaning my response to an aggressive bully is to outsmart him psychologically. I was in danger of being raped 3 times and in all 3 times I got out because I played them psychologically (and I wish I were such a mesmerizing witch all the time but I have no control over it, it becomes mobilized when I am in danger only). If however someone were to try to manipulate me, use emotional blackmail or force my hand into anything, I respond with raw anger (you don't want to do that). Same if I am belittled, treated unfairly or abandoned but I am less prone to express it as it's admitting vulnerability (Saturn issues, previous ones were more Pluto-like).

I am only dangerous if your intentions are ill. I never attack but I defend myself to the death, mine or yours. I suffered plenty of abuse until now, I am not accepting any more - bar is closed, guys, find some other victim! I am actually masochistic if we're talking self inflicting pain. I was tempted to self harm some time ago and there is something seductive in exploring pain to a certain degree. It's a different ball game if someone wants to harm me. Good luck obtaining consent (never gonna happen), so I guess I'll see you in court. I am neither cruel nor a sadist (I actually tried but apparently I suck at it because I'm too soft), I'm a hedonist (yoohoo, Taurus Venus!!). Most of the time I am a gentle person (and pretty vanilla). I do role play when I get bored.

Sorry I am not as interesting as you thought.

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posted March 22, 2014 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyKitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cutting off communication, and when they cut you out of their lives, there's no letting you back in

In synastry too.
I am Mars , she is saturn. We have been friends for over 20 years . I feel I had enough that she isn't tge one who support me anymore but she try to against me almost every action/ideas .
I decided to cut her out off my life , I'm not talking to her eversince , before we talk everyday. Deep down I feel , she block me , oppose my thought/action as if it's not her intention.

It's really hard to continue with someone who always against you.

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posted March 22, 2014 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocaloca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Mars in Aries in the 3rd opp Pluto in Libra and Saturn in Scorpio in the 9th.

Sorry I am not as interesting as you thought.


You are interesting and special Dancing, we all have our demons and angels, our uniqueness ..Thank you very much for the detailed answer. I think, and especially after reading what you wrote, that squares and oppositions between those two play out differently..also the house position is important. When connected to 12th (mars) the person is overly aggressive, sadistic and capable of killing..

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posted March 22, 2014 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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