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Topic: Aspects that show apathy for blood family?
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hannaramaa
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posted December 05, 2014 09:27 PM
  
Or signs ruling the 4th house?IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted December 05, 2014 09:57 PM
Hmmmmm....
Interesting. I wouldn't say that I am but rather am capable. I have Capricorn 4th, which is empty and my Saturn is not doing much. (10th)
Aspects to outer planets.
Unless you count semi-sextile to moon and mercury. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted December 05, 2014 10:51 PM
I haven't studied semi-sextiles enough to know how they work or their strength, so dunno if I would count them or not.I have Sun and Venus square Saturn, Moon opposite Pluto, Sun in the 11th house (and Venus. And Moon, and Mercury) and it seems all I'm ever trying to do is get away from my family, which is just my parents since I'm an only child. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted December 06, 2014 03:29 AM
I feel like Moon-Uranus and 4H Uranus can give a strange sense of apathy -- or really, distance. Aloofness. A feeling of friendliness and 'palling around' with blood relatives but seeing them more as people you spend time with now and then but not your 'blood' since this sort of connotation is too distinct, too intense. T.Uranus is in my 4th now and when it entered my 4th I moved away for the first time and have never looked back. I am also a natal Moon-Uranus person and I have an odd sense of detachment from my family, though sometimes it is forced because I do not want to be emotionally vulnerable to them [I am also Moon-Chiron and Moon-Neptune; I loved them but they have really hurt me]. I would also say Saturn/Capricorn being involved, like Moon-Saturn for example. My mother has it, and she can be startlingly apathetic toward her relatives. Worse, she has Moon sq. Uranus and this only intensifies the effect. She emotionally detaches [Uranus] which allows her to be truly cold [Saturn]. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted December 06, 2014 06:36 AM
Right on! I have Moon trine Saturn, Moon trine Uranus. I would be fine not hearing from my parents for 3 months. They don't understand and always accuse me of using them  IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted December 06, 2014 06:44 AM
I think that's me.Sag IC. Uranus and Mercury in the 4th, 2 most detached planets. rJupiter in the 11th. Moon square Saturn. BML in the 4th. ------------------
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theunknown
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posted December 06, 2014 07:18 AM
Moon square uranus (or opp or conjunct )
Uranus in 4th
Sag or aqua IC IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted December 06, 2014 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Right on! I have Moon trine Saturn, Moon trine Uranus. I would be fine not hearing from my parents for 3 months. They don't understand and always accuse me of using them
moon square uranus
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DeepFreeze
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posted December 06, 2014 08:59 AM
Interesting...
Along with what I've said I have moon trine Uranus.
The trine perhaps being the factor of my "am capable" instead of just being apathetic. IP: Logged |
neptunicity
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posted December 06, 2014 06:13 PM
I have moon square Uranus. Now it makes sense why I'm not keen ever since I was a kid in attending family gatherings. I always thought it's a Piscean lone-wolf thing.IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted December 07, 2014 12:08 AM
I've also found this Moon-Uranus 'apathy' is tied to a deviation from norms, like infrequent visiting, going MIA [not calling/texting], or random visits that may be inconvenient for relatives; a dislike of tradition, like holiday events; and an inability to be nostalgic, which hurts relatives when you can't honestly say you miss them. I've found I, and other M-U people, can be very abrupt about our emotions so no, I won't lie and say I miss a relative even if it hurts him/her. I don't even want to be a 'mean' or bad person, I just can't and don't want to lie about my feelings. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted December 07, 2014 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I've also found this Moon-Uranus 'apathy' is tied to a deviation from norms, like infrequent visiting, going MIA [not calling/texting], or random visits that may be inconvenient for relatives; a dislike of tradition, like holiday events; and an inability to be nostalgic, which hurts relatives when you can't honestly say you miss them. I've found I, and other M-U people, can be very abrupt about our emotions so no, I won't lie and say I miss a relative even if it hurts him/her. I don't even want to be a 'mean' or bad person, I just can't and don't want to lie about my feelings.
YES. My cousin whom I've spent some time with but not a lot to really call us close, has intermittently begged me to come see her. In my head I'm like "Why? Who are you, again?" but alas...she's also a Libra. They love to do everything in twos.  I wonder if families of fire sign people with M-U think they're just the most selfish SOBs ever. Even though it's not like that. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted December 07, 2014 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
YES. My cousin whom I've spent some time with but not a lot to really call us close, has intermittently begged me to come see her. In my head I'm like "Why? Who are you, again?" but alas...she's also a Libra. They love to do everything in twos. I wonder if families of fire sign people with M-U think they're just the most selfish SOBs ever. Even though it's not like that.
Lol, it's true, we Librans love to do things in pairs.  Haha! I was just talking to my friend about how the sport of tennis was invented for our sign. Anyway, I hope you have been well, sorry I've been bad with checking my personal e-mail [I've been really overwhelmed]. Well, my entire family has fire energy, and true to your prediction, this really makes them feel bad. Everyone either has Leo or Sagittarius or Aries and then there's a Taurus heavy relative who is also offended by my personality at times. The only one who is a little better about it is my mother, because she has Moon square Uranus, and just doesn't care about anyone but herself 1/2 the time anyway. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted December 07, 2014 07:57 AM
Moon-Pluto conjunct,square,opposition
Moon-Saturn conjunct,square,opposition
Moon-Uranus-conjunct,square,oppositionIP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 07, 2014 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Moon-Pluto conjunct,square,opposition
Moon-Saturn conjunct,square,opposition
Moon-Uranus-conjunct,square,opposition
The moon-pluto conjunct and am square i know are really close to their families. So are moon-saturn conjunct. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted December 07, 2014 10:21 AM
When it comes to not-too-happy family situation, I think a hard Moon-Pluto aspect is more likely to manifest itself by hatered.------------------
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theunknown
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posted December 07, 2014 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
When it comes to not-too-happy family situation, I think a hard Moon-Pluto aspect is more likely to manifest itself by hatered.
What do you mean? (I'm seriously asking. Please explain further) IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted December 07, 2014 11:09 AM
I mean that I think they're more likely to hate their family than be apathetic towards them.------------------
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hannaramaa
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posted December 07, 2014 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Moon-Pluto conjunct,square,opposition
Moon-Saturn conjunct,square,opposition
Moon-Uranus-conjunct,square,opposition
Lol, well I have all three (except MU and MS are trine). #screwed. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted December 07, 2014 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I mean that I think they're more likely to hate their family than be apathetic towards them.
Oh cool!
I agree to this. If its the square or conjunct, its a love-hate relationship
But they have very strong feelings and might feel the need to be protective towards one specific family member (a younger sister or something like that)IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted December 07, 2014 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Lol, it's true, we Librans love to do things in pairs. Haha! I was just talking to my friend about how the sport of tennis was invented for our sign. Anyway, I hope you have been well, sorry I've been bad with checking my personal e-mail [I've been really overwhelmed]. Well, my entire family has fire energy, and true to your prediction, this really makes them feel bad. Everyone either has Leo or Sagittarius or Aries and then there's a Taurus heavy relative who is also offended by my personality at times. The only one who is a little better about it is my mother, because she has Moon square Uranus, and just doesn't care about anyone but herself 1/2 the time anyway.
 Of course the Taurean is offended by Sag ASC!! So classic. I figured fire signs with this would **** people off the most because they're so passionate about their own lives, and coupled with those aspects they probably don't feel guilty shutting people out in order to focus on that (maybe not even actively shutting them out, but you get what I mean) Now I'm curious about water, earth, and air? I'm betting air is good at making other feel included because they can be so talkative and social at times, moreso than other elements. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted December 07, 2014 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[b]I mean that I think they're more likely to hate their family than be apathetic towards them.
Oh cool!
I agree to this. If its the square or conjunct, its a love-hate relationship
But they have very strong feelings and might feel the need to be protective towards one specific family member (a younger sister or something like that)[/B][/QUOTE]I agree with ISC too. I have MP opp. and my mom can send me over the edge like nobody else, but OH MY GOD. If you're out of line talking to her or about her, I will rip a new one.
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sweet-scorpion
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posted December 07, 2014 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Of course the Taurean is offended by Sag ASC!! So classic. I figured fire signs with this would **** people off the most because they're so passionate about their own lives, and coupled with those aspects they probably don't feel guilty shutting people out in order to focus on that (maybe not even actively shutting them out, but you get what I mean) Now I'm curious about water, earth, and air? I'm betting air is good at making other feel included because they can be so talkative and social at times, moreso than other elements.
Lol, tell me about it. He MARRIED a Sagittarius, too. And yes, they have a rocky marriage... it's unfortunate. Good observation, too about Fire-dominants with Moon-Uranus aspects, particularly hard aspects. My mom comes to mind once again, she is Leo dominant and has the square and she is so self-focused and self-driven that she does not feel guilty about shutting people out. It's like her needs, goals and desires are at the forefront, and I think it comes from having this self-obsessed Fire energy [or, Fire energy gone wrong]. I think my Air Sun has always allotted me a good dose of charisma to make up for the emotional distance that can come with Moon-Uranus. The Scorpio and my Mars in Cancer has also allowed me to connect with people on a deeper level, but Moon-Uranus still makes me hesitant to always fully open up, and sometimes I withdraw emotionally after being emotionally open out of fear of being vulnerable. So maybe Air/Water can present that problematic issue.
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Iced8Ace
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posted December 07, 2014 05:24 PM
Saturn can mean apathy. I have it conjunct my moon. I am very very cold to my mother because of the delusions she's constantly brought upon me. I have this conjunction in Pisces.4th house is ruled by Scorpio, conjunct Pluto. Very controlling family. I was very kind until I saw how they were using me and so I started to detach.
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Kannon McAfee
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posted December 07, 2014 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Aspects that show apathy for blood family?
Or signs ruling the 4th house?
Generally, Moon opp/Contra-parallel or square Uranus or Neptune, sometimes Saturn. Its not signs. Specifically in a particular birth horoscope, it can be those planets in same hard aspects to the IC/MC axis. Uranus = detachment from personal or sentimental bonds. Neptune = misunderstood, sacrificed for other favored members, leading to such apathy. Saturn = turning cold shoulder for past offenses, disengaging from underling position to parent oneself; practical rather than sentimental. In some cases this won't be explained by any astrological factor because some souls will incarnate into a family they have little soul connection with in order to continue certain purposes and meet up later with others who have already incarnated. ------------------
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