posted August 15, 2021 06:01 PM            

I am a Love Addict and have been since I was a child, I think I inherited this, it has been there from the start.

VENUS rules my 5th and conjuncts MARS in LEO and this falls in my 8th, then add I have moon in pisces square neptune with neptune conjunct my AC, mars rules my IC so I do get attached and the attachment I develop is lasting, part of me never stops caring for the person all the way, in that regard I am different from a typical Love Addict.

My mother is adopted and her biological father was an alcoholic and she was the product of an affair, I think my love addiction stems from this relationship. Learning this a few years ago was very helpful in helping me understand were this comes from since it was there since I was a child.

Then you add that my father married my mother after having this intense spiritual experience were he felt intensely loved unconditionally by a higher power, engulfed by this intense pure love.

When you combine this two things, it explains a lot my love addiction, as a child I was searching for this intense love out of this world that cannot be broken. It was such a strong force in me and such a strong part of my nature and who I am. Even though the love is real in my case it also has a strong addiction element to it, is like my father's spiritual experience blended with my mother's parents experience and both of these things are a part of me, there is a spiritual side to it and a compulsive addictive side to it too.

Then my uncle from my father's side is an alcoholic and sex addict.

A big part of my journey has been putting all this together and coming to realize all this about myself and were it comes from and be able to see it clearly.

Is incredible how much the stories of our parents and grandparents and other extended family that we may not even know about shape us and are actually a part of us, we carry those stories inside of us.

I have two clients that are love addicts and one is a women with MOON square PLUTO forming a tsquare with VENUS in LEO! The other has Mars in LEO trine MOON and VENUS in Gemini square Pluto, plus mars sesquisquare Jupiter, I think he is a love addict and sex addict and he has a history of substance abuse too.

Are you a love or sex addict or know someone that is? if so what placements you think explain it?

posted August 16, 2021 06:06 AM            

In the same breath however, it hasn't gotten to a point where I have lost all my senses on what priorities are important.

I don't "get off" in public. I have seen people who do that( and that's extreme imo).And when distracted by something or emotionally ill at ease, I tend to forget about the above for a long time.

I often think that addictions (especially love/sex related ones) stem from a lack of intimacy one has had for a very long time.

So the compulsions are more an exaggerated way of trying to deal with the intense feeling of "lack" or feeling deprived of what you have wanted for so long.

Just like how a scorching desert turns a drop of water to smoke. People aho are addicts tend to feel like what they are "getting" from relationship/others, is simply not enough to quell the need inside satisfactorily.

posted August 16, 2021 06:40 AM            

I have a T square between moon, venus on the apex and pluto and I consider myself somewhat of a love addict. My venus is in leo, and i have also a leo mars but they are 13 degrees away, so not a conjunction.
My venus is only bad aspected (she also forms an inconjunct with my 7th house neptune and a sesquiquadrate with jupiter, who sits one degree before my descendant, so still in my 6th).

I'm quite young (almost 25) but i already had long, committed relationships, and when i am in one what I miss most is the 'chase' of a new boyfriend, even if i love who i am with.

I even had obsessive thoughts about my sexuality because i never had an orgasm (nor by myself, nor with a partner, both my 7th and 8th house cusp are in capricorn) so i was wondering if i liked women instead, but i don't think so... I always wanted a man with me. This doesn't stop me from enjoying sex btw. Venus rules my intercepted 5th house (pluto is in my 5th, almost in my 6th) and my moon is in taurus in my 11th.

Also, eros is on my POF but is semisquare my sun and north node, and sappho is on my vertex, opp moon.

posted August 16, 2021 03:17 PM            

I am ... very careful about what I say after those two words. They can set a story in place about who we are that can prove very hard to get free of. What we believe about ourselves can be either limiting or liberating. Even more so if rather high-reaching astrological concepts are attached to them. Beliefs that say who you are becoming in positive terms are far more empowering than those tied past tense behaviors.

Our words are powerful.

I engaged in addictive behaviors before. They were a manifestation of a train wreck of depression, low self-esteem, and the deep fear I'd missed my 'soul mate.' I got some help in a 12-step group. The most important step was the 13th.

Addictive behaviors are generally manifestations of fear sabotaging self-worth. What fears? Why?

The book, Honoring the Self by Nathaniel Branden is probably the most helpful one I've come across. But the concept most crucial to self-worth is believing the grand thing we call God, the Creator, is in you, the essence of you, that you are an essential, unique piece of IT.

How you feel about yourself is probably the most important feeling you have.
- Richard Hugo
The Triggering Town

posted August 16, 2021 04:02 PM            

I don't know the particulars.
I would think Pluto or Mars might be indictive of sex addiction. My Mars in 5th
trines my Neptune, a powerful Kundalini.
Which I also have the fantasy "romantic" issue too. The only thing I've been able to do to quell these energies, deep focus in study. Using Mercurial energy to
balance my love/sex addiction.

With general signs, I think Fire is more apt to be sexually strong in appetite.
As Air is masculine too, it may well be too. Fixed signs I feel can have troubles letting go of addiction. Aquarius is known for this as is Scorpio. Release relating to the orgasm. In addiction the romance is maybe more the mutable nature. The one open to invitation. Wanting, yearning the
offer (thinking Pisces). Cancer Sun is a duplicitous sign, in my experience with a couple of them. A person might think they are romantic, they are imo the least romantic of the water Signs. They ARE very sexual though. Scorpio wins romance imo of the water Signs. Earth Signs, I've seen sexual addiction in Virgo Sun, maybe Libra Sun, Sagittarius Sun definitely. Capricorn Sun sexually charged. Not romantically addicted imo. Seeking to attach though. Taurus might be a romantic addicted sign. Where I see Libra as more in sexual side of those Venus signs.

In my case, I have a strong urge within me, I'm as you know a lot of both Fire/Air. Though my energies believe it or not *are balanced*. I actually am half F/M .. That might be in part why I suffer from both the addictions. Not just the sex.
In my experience I attracted men easily because my drive was much higher than other women. I can honestly say I've had phenomenal s@x in my lifetime. Pluto in 10H. Trine Mercury. Idk if this has much to do with it.

I have become much more spiritual. Though attached in a commitment, I am happiest being my "own lover" and noone can romance me better than I can.

posted August 16, 2021 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
When you say love addict, do you mean more so "romantic love" addict? I ask, cause when I think of love, I think more of spiritual, divine type love.

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I am using the terms used in the article and psychology field but yes I am referring personally to romantic love and that is essentially what the article is talking about when they say Love Addiction.

However, my mother is addicted to spirituality and that love from a higher power or divine type of love you speak of, I see how she gets and clearly her dopamine reward system gets activated when she talks about god and the love he has for her, how she feels supported by him, or when she feels she has received a message from him she gets so excited, its like a thrill and dopamine gets released clearly as well as SEROTONIN for her during these times and also when she is praying I will say, where as for me it may happen when I am fantasizing of a new interest or an old interest etc

posted August 16, 2021 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I hear you both and I understand. Your words are powerful.

I am ... very careful about what I say after those two words. They can set a story in place about who we are that can prove very hard to get free of. What we believe about ourselves can be either limiting or liberating. Even more so if rather high-reaching astrological concepts are attached to them. Beliefs that say who you are becoming in positive terms are far more empowering than those tied past tense behaviors.

Our words are powerful.

I engaged in addictive behaviors before. They were a manifestation of a train wreck of depression, low self-esteem, and the deep fear I'd missed my 'soul mate.' I got some help in a 12-step group. The most important step was the 13th.

Addictive behaviors are generally manifestations of fear sabotaging self-worth. What fears? Why?

The book, Honoring the Self by Nathaniel Branden is probably the most helpful one I've come across. But the concept most crucial to self-worth is believing the grand thing we call God, the Creator, is in you, the essence of you, that you are an essential, unique piece of IT.

How you feel about yourself is probably the most important feeling you have.
- Richard Hugo
The Triggering Town

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Coming to terms with my history and how my family history shapes me has been very empowering and has helped me understand myself and certain needs and compulsions better allowing me from that place of mindfulness to break the cycle and when I feel a pull to go down that path again, I can see what is happening clearly and be more detached, not get as sucked into it, redirect and channel it in a constructive way.

posted August 16, 2021 07:44 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
Hypatia,

I don't know the particulars.
I would think Pluto or Mars might be indictive of sex addiction. My Mars in 5th
trines my Neptune, a powerful Kundalini.
Which I also have the fantasy "romantic" issue too. The only thing I've been able to do to quell these energies, deep focus in study. Using Mercurial energy to
balance my love/sex addiction.

With general signs, I think Fire is more apt to be sexually strong in appetite.
As Air is masculine too, it may well be too. Fixed signs I feel can have troubles letting go of addiction. Aquarius is known for this as is Scorpio. Release relating to the orgasm. In addiction the romance is maybe more the mutable nature. The one open to invitation. Wanting, yearning the
offer (thinking Pisces). Cancer Sun is a duplicitous sign, in my experience with a couple of them. A person might think they are romantic, they are imo the least romantic of the water Signs. They ARE very sexual though. Scorpio wins romance imo of the water Signs. Earth Signs, I've seen sexual addiction in Virgo Sun, maybe Libra Sun, Sagittarius Sun definitely. Capricorn Sun sexually charged. Not romantically addicted imo. Seeking to attach though. Taurus might be a romantic addicted sign. Where I see Libra as more in sexual side of those Venus signs.

In my case, I have a strong urge within me, I'm as you know a lot of both Fire/Air. Though my energies believe it or not *are balanced*. I actually am half F/M .. That might be in part why I suffer from both the addictions. Not just the sex.
In my experience I attracted men easily because my drive was much higher than other women. I can honestly say I've had phenomenal s@x in my lifetime. Pluto in 10H. Trine Mercury. Idk if this has much to do with it.

I have become much more spiritual. Though attached in a commitment, I am happiest being my "own lover" and noone can romance me better than I can.

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I enjoy reading your insights on this both astrological and non astrological .

I love you have channeled this energy with study, the best way I have channeled this energy is helping others through my career as a counselor and it helps me channel like 80% of this energy in a positive healthy way but that 20% left is a bit of a challenge and mindfulness, self-awareness and grounding techniques is what helps.

I came to realize all this about myself in my 30s after my saturn return and every year since then there has been tremendous growth but is definitely a journey, this energy is an ongoing thing you have to work through and then it just comes in waves, happens less often and is less of an ongoing issue but I don't think it ever goes away completely as after all I also feel love addiction and sex addiction have a biological basis/drive behind it, this drive leads to sex and procreation after all so its adaptive up to a point and after a point then turns maladaptive.

posted August 16, 2021 08:03 PM            

I have parts of self that tend towards both addiction to more romantic love (correlated with strong Leo, Libra, Venus, and moderate Moon, Mars, and Pluto i.e. the more sexual part, along with Leo) and also more spiritual addiction (correlated with strong Jupiter, Neptune,and background Pisces via angular Pisces SN, and the 12th House ruler, the Moon being conjunct the ruler of the Cap Sun and Merc and co-ruler of the Aqua Venus and Desc).

With sex and romance, I have found that there are ways to redirect that powerful red energy into higher, more expanded, and faster vibratory centers.

I have gone through periods/cycle with absolutely no interest, thought of, or desire towards sex or romance, but didn't miss it in the least because I felt so good, alive, intune, balanced otherwise. This was usually during periods of consistent deep and expanded meditation over a longer time period (like at least a couple months of daily meditation for at least a half hour, to an hour or so).

I've also noticed that unusually active creative periods also tend to redirect this energy up into the more expanded/faster vibratory centers/glands.

But all things in balance and moderation. If kept more in that realm, then not so much a problem and addiction. Nothing wrong with a little red, coral pink, orange, or emerald green to cyan energy here and there. These are just as much part of the Clear/White Light as the blues, blue-violets, violets and purples are.

The clue to full enLightenment and liberation, is found in the Clear/White Light itself. It is a perfectly balanced and integrated blend of all the 6 main colors into one. So much so that they all merge into one to unveil the Clear/White Light which is our true nature (i.e. pure Love and Source consciousness).

posted August 17, 2021 12:32 AM            

I think for me it's tied up easily. My hormones work but at times not. I'm watching the Saturn creep to my Moon. Menopause was supposed to kick right in due to my complete hysterectomy. Yet I still have desire, it's far easier to channel my energies[i] away from lower vibes now/nether regions . My intimacy is more quality over quantity in these times.

I enjoy zig zagging from my creative energy outside the boudoir to the sheets when I feel the heat rising. Far less than in my past. But I now have better control over it. Not it over me.

In romantic addiction, I do at times get swept up into fantasy. Yet I am grounded and like the sexual appetite, I can reign in that energy too. I think the Covi world has been a bit of assistance there. It takes romance away for many. Depending upon facets in one's lives. We choke on smoke here a lot anymore - hardly romantic.

I am actually over joyed I am able to vibrate higher than I used to. It's a beautiful feeling - those upper levels are
exhilarating. Alone we find them, ego less with another some get to. I have yet to experience that. I have been stripping my ego - layer by layer but I have no other Soul to intermingle in the ethers with - yet. As other's like GCE does.

posted August 17, 2021 07:18 AM            

I am not an expert on addiction, but to me it seems like a hunger for something we can't find within ourself. A need for an external "fix". However not everybody will act on that desire. So from an astrological point of view I would expect that Mars will somehow be connected to the addiction and maybe Aries or H1 will also play a role.

posted August 17, 2021 12:38 PM            

I had this one Sag girl in my soccer intramural team who would never show up to any of the games except the ones on weekdays. One day we meet her boyfriend who is this buff Leo guy at a bar and he is getting so touchy with her. She is all like "dude, stop it, god" while having the sultry look in her eyes. He smacked her on the ass hard and she just took it, no resistance or anything.

We met their neighbor too who said that weekends are bad, all you can hear is sounds of wood chopping happening fast along with her moaning. Said the conversations are insane with her talking about how she needs a nice smoke because she has had to take him all morning.

posted August 17, 2021 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Thank you for the clarification and expansion.

I have parts of self that tend towards both addiction to more romantic love (correlated with strong Leo, Libra, Venus, and moderate Moon, Mars, and Pluto i.e. the more sexual part, along with Leo) and also more spiritual addiction (correlated with strong Jupiter, Neptune,and background Pisces via angular Pisces SN, and the 12th House ruler, the Moon being conjunct the ruler of the Cap Sun and Merc and co-ruler of the Aqua Venus and Desc).

With sex and romance, I have found that there are ways to redirect that powerful red energy into higher, more expanded, and faster vibratory centers.

I have gone through periods/cycle with absolutely no interest, thought of, or desire towards sex or romance, but didn't miss it in the least because I felt so good, alive, intune, balanced otherwise. This was usually during periods of consistent deep and expanded meditation over a longer time period (like at least a couple months of daily meditation for at least a half hour, to an hour or so).

I've also noticed that unusually active creative periods also tend to redirect this energy up into the more expanded/faster vibratory centers/glands.

But all things in balance and moderation. If kept more in that realm, then not so much a problem and addiction. Nothing wrong with a little red, coral pink, orange, or emerald green to cyan energy here and there. These are just as much part of the Clear/White Light as the blues, blue-violets, violets and purples are.

The clue to full enLightenment and liberation, is found in the Clear/White Light itself. It is a perfectly balanced and integrated blend of all the 6 main colors into one. So much so that they all merge into one to unveil the Clear/White Light which is our true nature (i.e. pure Love and Source consciousness).

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Loved your own self reflection and self honesty and love your feedback on meditation and how it can help with this, I can totally see that, meditating to Tibetan singing bowls does wonders for me, it just clears stuff out, releases things, definitely drops cortisol levels and grounds me, I can see how meditating daily for months can help a lot with this as it centers you, gets you out of your head and out of getting sucked into this obsessive loops so to speak.

I see your point about balance and moderation too, liked overall what you wrote I Need to learn more about clear/white and the chakras.

posted August 17, 2021 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
@hypatia,
thank you for opening this topic! It is a very interesting subject and I feel a lot of people can struggle with this but because of the taboo connected with it, it usually remains hidden. It is brave of you to share your own struggles.

I am not an expert on addiction, but to me it seems like a hunger for something we can't find within ourself. A need for an external "fix". However not everybody will act on that desire. So from an astrological point of view I would expect that Mars will somehow be connected to the addiction and maybe Aries or H1 will also play a role.

Mars in hard aspect to Jupiter could make someone a overconfident and more willing to take risks. Mars in hard aspect to Venus could make someone more assertive in going after their desires.

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Excellent insight!

I read years ago an article on astro.com about cheating as I think love addiction and or sex addiction makes it so you are more prone to this and one of the things it spoke off was what you are saying that often people are trying to connect with a higher power, something bigger than themselves through these connections (e.g. this will relate more to love addiction I feel).

WOW I found the article!

Is called the eternal triangle by Liz Greene, it was a good read.

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_triangle_e.htm

posted August 17, 2021 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
You want a case study on sex addiction?...

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It would have been easier if you just posted your birth chart, however you did post your synastry chart with the Sagittarius in a previous topic so...

You seem to have a difficult t-square with Venus opposite Saturn and Pluto apex.

Pluto square Venus
Venus square Pluto natal complicates your close relationships because of the intensity of your feelings. Using your power to force someone to love you will ultimately end in a breakup, which of course, would be extremely painful and dramatic for you. Before you reach the realization of the need for self-love, you may be attracted to dangerous partners or those who treat you badly.

Venus opposite Saturn
The opposition between Venus and Saturn shows emotional frustrations. This is a difficult aspect as the harshness of Saturn weighs heavily on the affairs of Venus. You may look at your accomplishments with continuous dissatisfaction, underestimating your self-worth.

posted August 17, 2021 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
It's gotten old P.M., real old. Like someone telling the same lame joke over and over and over.

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posted August 17, 2021 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
I will march down the streets and forbid Leo men and Sag women from being with each other. They will write books about me. Liz Greene and Linda Goodman would be proud!

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posted August 17, 2021 01:49 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
You just had your Saturn return, it's time to do some self reflection.

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I have to say after my saturn return is when I started to really connect all this, I have enjoyed my 30s bc it really is an empowering time and a great time for personal growth.

posted August 17, 2021 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
WOW I found the article!

Is called the eternal triangle by Liz Greene, it was a good read.
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_triangle_e.htm

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Thank you for that link Hypatia! I haven't read it fully yet but it seems like a very interesting psychological perspective.

posted August 17, 2021 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Funny that you guys mention that, knew a Sag girl in AA that was turning 29. Said she left her crazy sex addict boyfriend by moving to another state and we thought it was all good, were even happy for her. Guy had a birthday coming up in early August so he visits the state where he had family.

Next thing I know, I am at a bar and see her making out with the wacko....damn man..damn. Even Saturn is like "you two fiery ***** stay busy".

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posted August 17, 2021 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
Maybe you should't go to the bar... You know, get your sh*t together and stuff.

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