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Topic: What a man looks for in a woman
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lisalisa Knowflake Posts: 1110 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted May 07, 2015 05:13 AM
What's more important, his venus or moon sign? Especially when looking for marriage material, what it more important in a man's chart to decide on what he wants/likes in a woman..IP: Logged |
confusedaseff Knowflake Posts: 233 From: somewhere between saturn and pluto Registered: Feb 2015
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posted May 07, 2015 05:17 AM
from what i know:moon - emotional connection that will develop mars - what sexually attracts him from the beginning - lust ex. cancer mars tend to like big breasted women stereotype) venus - what kind of person he considers beautiful (ex. cancer might want a woman that's more housewife-ish) lilith - the type of woman he wants but can't handle but tempts him (so like this would be his mistress/side chick) juno - what he looks for in a wife ------------------ ------------ PLEASE DON'T QUOTE ME IP: Logged |
lisalisa Knowflake Posts: 1110 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted May 07, 2015 05:23 AM
Interesting!Could you say something about this man: Moon in aqua Mars in taurus Venus in taurus Lilith in scorpio Juno in libra.. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 2010 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted May 07, 2015 05:46 AM
Most people's first response to relationships, is based on the earliest experiences that they had with maternal figures(mom and dad).The moon sign serves to "decode" how that particular individual perceives love. And the aspects to the moon suggest challenges (in the case adverse aspects) or emphasis (supportive aspects),in their perception of what that love is. So the Moon sign in partners is so important. As it is from the emotional mind(Moon) that our life experiences are judged from. And it is from this same planet that we continually make decisions about future experiences. It is interesting to note that in very many cases, the aspects,position and sign of the Moon in the chart accurately describes the relationship the individual has with the mother/early maternal figure. So you can guess that if the Moon is challenged or in a position that is uncomfortable, the man will respond in ways to "make up" or compensate for the chasm within. What aspects does the Moon make to other planets? As these will modify the Moon in Taurus position. IP: Logged |
lisalisa Knowflake Posts: 1110 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted May 07, 2015 06:12 AM
@aries23degreesHis moon in aqua is squaring his taurus stellium (mars, venus, mercury, sun) and in trine with jupiter rx + saturn rx in libra
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 2010 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted May 07, 2015 07:24 AM
Taurus energy is the most sensitive to the physical 5 senses.Full stop.These people are all about touch, feel, caress, smell and "feel" through life- in the physical 5 senses. Now Aquarius is caring and altruistic. But has so many concerns that span over so many people,that they prefer a lightness of touch- as opposed to intense involvement. So we have the Moon in Aquarius being comfortable with a "lightness of touch" vs the intensely physically involved Taurus stellium. In marriage, he may be drawn to two types that will show this chasm to him over and over again; 1. A partner that is physically attentive and demanding sexually. Wanting him to connect with them in an intimate and involved way(Taurus). 2. A partner that is detached and seems to "downsize" the physical aspect of the relationship and even progressively replaces affection with platonic friendship and limited sexual contact(Aquarius). If the former,he is likely to feel smothered.If the latter, he is likely to feel abandoned. Either way, he is likely to not be too happy as he tries to "combine" the need for affection(Taurus)and simultaneously the need for personal freedom(Aquarius). Fixed placement squares are very challenging as they tend to be very "stuck" in their ways. Are you involved with him?
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Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 9217 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 07, 2015 07:31 AM
Aries23,Just wanted to say I admire your brilliant posts, always. ___ On topic, This is in no way compulsory, but that man might have a fear of commitment (very often found when the Moon and Venus are in hard aspect, or generally when the Moon is very afflicted), or a fear of emotional intimacy (which often leads to a fear of commitment). If such is the case (and you should definitely look for the signs), please be careful so you don't get disappointed or heart-broken over false hopes or empty promises. IP: Logged |
lisalisa Knowflake Posts: 1110 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted May 07, 2015 08:29 AM
@aries23degreesVery interesting! I am involved with him yes, but it's not very 'official', he's very contradicting in showing/telling he wants/loves me, so i definitely see that duality between distance and closeness in him. How to handle him? I have my moon in gem (not trine his moon) My sun in libra conjunct his jupiter rx and saturn rx thus my sun trines his moon in aqua, my sun also is in the 11th house.. My IC is in aqua not conjunct his moon My ASC conjunct my pluto and venus in scorpio is opposing his taurus stellium.. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 2010 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted May 07, 2015 09:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: Aries23, Just wanted to say I admire your brilliant posts, always.
thank you
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 2010 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted May 07, 2015 09:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by lisalisa: @aries23degreesVery interesting! I am involved with him yes, but it's not very 'official', he's very contradicting in showing/telling he wants/loves me, so i definitely see that duality between distance and closeness in him. How to handle him? I have my moon in gem (not trine his moon) My sun in Libra conjunct his Jupiter rx and Saturn rx thus my sun trines his moon in aqua, my sun also is in the 11th house.. My IC is in aqua not conjunct his moon My ASC conjunct my Pluto and Venus in Scorpio is opposing his Taurus stellium..
The Pluto/Venus conjunct the Asc explains your attraction to him. And rightly put, that Taurus stellium is just too sexy for yoour Venus on the Asc . Yummy!! But you also bring to him his worst fears. Whether you may be conscious of this or not,he may think that you seek to "change" him(your Pluto in 1st) in a fundamental way. This is what your Pluto on the Asc/Dsc axis does. The relationships you get into, you seek to redefine,deepen or have them change you in some way. But this "change" may not be limited to you only.The partner comes along for the ride 100% of the time. Now with another Scorpio/Cancer or Pisces placement,this is exciting.But for "things are fine on the surface" Taurus and "let's keep it platonic" Aquarius.This is too much! I highlighted that square fixed signs are by far the most challenging.These people often keep things "as is" and can get stuck in the "groove". It is often a catastrophic event that reshapes their lives and they(ever so reluctantly and painfully) are forced to change. But once that change is done and dusted, they realize the "worth" of the transition. Until they dig in their heels on this "new" ground again The person may not change because they may not even be aware that they have a problem. Do you see that the confusion that you feel in responding to him is reflective of that Moon chasm harsh aspects? You don't know whether to hug him or leave him? Show him affection or give him space? Now the question that you should be asking yourself is; is this back/forth motion worth the effort? I really would not suggest that you tie yourself to this paradox in the long-term. IP: Logged |
SaturnFan Knowflake Posts: 466 From: Registered: Dec 2014
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posted May 07, 2015 09:34 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Either way, he is likely to not be too happy as he tries to "combine" the need for affection(Taurus)and simultaneously the need for personal freedom(Aquarius).Fixed placement squares are very challenging as they tend to be very "stuck" in their ways.
Hi Aries, this sounds a little fatalistic at first glance, but on second reading I interpret it as big likelihood of unhappiness, if the native seeks to 'combine' both needs in relationships with other people. Whereas if he seeks to integrate them internally in his own character, he wouldn't feel the need to go in 1 of two directions or combine 2 'conflicting' forces in a relationship. Or is this wishful thinking on my part, and you feel this is generally a 'doomed' aspect? (I have a Taurus Moon square Aquarius Venus/ AC and opposite Scorpio Pluto, so am very interested to hear your thoughts ) IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 11535 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 07, 2015 09:44 AM
I disagree with this view of the square. You become aware of them very early in life and a relational square shows itself from the first relationships. They simply show you need a lot of modal energy in that area: in this case, your Venus/Moon needs a lot of fixed energy. You become aware of the fact you need both the sensuality of Taurus AND the intellectual openness and progressiveness of Aquarius. You basically need whatever is Fixed essence in these signs. You search for a person having both characteristics.The ones fulfilling both these needs will have at least one other personal fixed planet in direct aspect with this square. EDIT: for you, SaturnFan, a personal Leo planet closing the cross for you would fulfill this need. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... LeeLoo's Esotericorner Connect for updates IP: Logged |
SaturnFan Knowflake Posts: 466 From: Registered: Dec 2014
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posted May 07, 2015 10:00 AM
Thank you LeeLoo, this was encouraging! I've grown to really appreciate and love my t-square and its lessons, but I still get small bolts of panic when I read about the challenges. quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You become aware of them very early in life and a relational square shows itself from the first relationships.
Very true! quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: EDIT: for you, SaturnFan, a personal Leo planet closing the cross for you would fulfill this need.
I love Leos and Leonine energy.
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lisalisa Knowflake Posts: 1110 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted May 07, 2015 10:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: I disagree with this view of the square. You become aware of them very early in life and a relational square shows itself from the first relationships. They simply show you need a lot of modal energy in that area: in this case, your Venus/Moon needs a lot of fixed energy. You become aware of the fact you need both the sensuality of Taurus AND the intellectual openness and progressiveness of Aquarius. You basically need whatever is Fixed essence in these signs. You search for a person having both characteristics.The ones fulfilling both these needs will have at least one other personal fixed planet in direct aspect with this square. EDIT: for you, SaturnFan, a personal Leo planet closing the cross for you would fulfill this need.
What is a fixed planet? Or do you mean a planet in a fixed sign? So in synastry i have my venus in contact with his venus exact opposition to the orb I have no other fixed planets in my chart only scorpio IP: Logged |
lisalisa Knowflake Posts: 1110 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted May 07, 2015 10:32 AM
@aries24degreesWhat you say, for his aquamoon it's too much! You're so right.. My venus in scorpio is very intense and he both loves (taurus) and hates (aqua) it.. He needs to make up his mind.. I distanced myself from him emotionally (took me a year) im still in love with him.. I know he loves me.. Hes very sensitive.. He needs to choose really.. And taurus are known for taking a long time so... IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 2010 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted May 07, 2015 01:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by SaturnFan: Hi Aries,this sounds a little fatalistic at first glance, but on second reading I interpret it as big likelihood of unhappiness, if the native seeks to 'combine' both needs in relationships with other people. Whereas if he seeks to integrate them internally in his own character, he wouldn't feel the need to go in 1 of two directions or combine 2 'conflicting' forces in a relationship. Or is this wishful thinking on my part, and you feel this is generally a 'doomed' aspect? (I have a Taurus Moon square Aquarius Venus/ AC and opposite Scorpio Pluto, so am very interested to hear your thoughts )
No person is ever "doomed" with the aspects they have. I just highlighted the chasm between the two energies involved. I agree that the individual can consciously make both energies work for them instead of siding with one and "squaring off" with the other. But the individual must be aware of this inner chasm and master it. This is key in coming into any relationship. The problem is that when that individual is not aware, they perpetuate the painful position of the Moon aspects that they so desperately want to resolve. Often projecting them on to the partner. People who love them may not know how and when to respond; do they let the person be? Or do they come closer and hug them? The response is seldom satisfactory for the person. At times they feel abandoned. At other times smothered! And this is the issue with challenging aspects to the Moon. Domestic harmony is hard to come by as the emotional mind(Moon) wrestles, resists and is suspicious of the love/affection that it is given. But on the other hand, can also grow very resentful and insecure if that affection is not forthcoming. Moodiness, sensitive temperament and general dissatisfaction is often the result of all that is going on within the person. Nothing and no-one externally can help or change that. It takes the individual to be aware of this pattern of up/down motion. Your T-square pattern is quite interesting BTW. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Moderator Posts: 9831 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted May 07, 2015 03:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Most people's first response to relationships, is based on the earliest experiences that they had with maternal figures(mom and dad).The moon sign serves to "decode" how that particular individual perceives love. And the aspects to the moon suggest challenges (in the case adverse aspects) or emphasis (supportive aspects),in their perception of what that love is. So the Moon sign in partners is so important. As it is from the emotional mind(Moon) that our life experiences are judged from. And it is from this same planet that we continually make decisions about future experiences. It is interesting to note that in very many cases, the aspects,position and sign of the Moon in the chart accurately describes the relationship the individual has with the mother/early maternal figure. So you can guess that if the Moon is challenged or in a position that is uncomfortable, the man will respond in ways to "make up" or compensate for the chasm within. What aspects does the Moon make to other planets? As these will modify the Moon in Taurus position.
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SaturnFan Knowflake Posts: 466 From: Registered: Dec 2014
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posted May 08, 2015 05:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: No person is ever "doomed" with the aspects they have. I just highlighted the chasm between the two energies involved.I agree that the individual can consciously make both energies work for them instead of siding with one and "squaring off" with the other. But the individual must be aware of this inner chasm and master it. This is key in coming into any relationship. The problem is that when that individual is not aware, they perpetuate the painful position of the Moon aspects that they so desperately want to resolve. Often projecting them on to the partner. People who love them may not know how and when to respond; do they let the person be? Or do they come closer and hug them? The response is seldom satisfactory for the person. At times they feel abandoned. At other times smothered! And this is the issue with challenging aspects to the Moon. Domestic harmony is hard to come by as the emotional mind(Moon) wrestles, resists and is suspicious of the love/affection that it is given. But on the other hand, can also grow very resentful and insecure if that affection is not forthcoming. Moodiness, sensitive temperament and general dissatisfaction is often the result of all that is going on within the person. Nothing and no-one externally can help or change that. It takes the individual to be aware of this pattern of up/down motion. Your T-square pattern is quite interesting BTW.
Thank you for this brilliant analysis, Aries. Yes, self-awareness is the key to happiness in this world I'm very impressed with your description of how the Taurus/Aquarius square can manifest, as a person who has experienced it first-hand I could not have described it better. And it extends to close friends and family, not just romantic relationships. You think you need a specific response from someone (either affection or detached conversation or to be left alone) and if they don't provide it they "don't get you". If they do provide it, in some cases you realise this was not what you wanted at all, and you get even more annoyed with them. And it's always their fault. It's a truly challenging aspect. I was shaken into self-analysis through a very catastrophic romantic encounter (I was attracted by Aquarius-type traits but wanted Taurus-like traits and got burned badly) and only then I started realising my patterns. Now that they are all conscious (or most of them at least ) I have control over them and my relationships have taken a drastic turn to the better. IP: Logged |
lisalisa Knowflake Posts: 1110 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted May 08, 2015 06:18 AM
@saturnfan Very interesting! I recognise it from my guy too, duality.. Not knowing what he wants.. But because my guy has 5 planets in taurus.. It mights be a stronger influence.. Do you have taurus sun too?IP: Logged |
SaturnFan Knowflake Posts: 466 From: Registered: Dec 2014
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posted May 08, 2015 06:39 AM
hey lisalisa,Yes, it's a stronger Taurus influence with him. The only Taurus placement I have is the Moon. But its t-square with Venus/ AC and Pluto was enough to make me feel cursed in love and romance for a while. My Sun is in Capricorn His best chance, the way I see it, is to first identify exactly what he wants in a situation-by-situation basis (i.e. it will not always be just affection or just to be left alone), and then communicate it clearly. Then whether you meet this need, is entirely your choice - his responsibility is to communicate it, not to expect you to meet it. He should take responsibility for how his relationship functions and what his responses are. Blaming others never helps... I've been there He's a very lucky guy for having a person in his life trying to understand his complex nature. I hope he proves deserving of your patience. IP: Logged |
lisalisa Knowflake Posts: 1110 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted May 08, 2015 10:23 AM
@Saturnfan, i wish he communicated with me, but he's really bad at it.. I'm very good at reading people, and i can read him very well, and i also know more about his ways through astrology.. More than he communicates with me actually.. I know he's working on himself, he started meditating, he has a shrink.. So i think he knows the things he wants to work on and making an afford for it too.. He told me it helped him alot and he feels much better. I also see that i make him feel good and better, and he looks much happier.. He does silly things to show me he loves me, but when i want more more more, he backs off.. It's frustrating.. His previous relationship (i believe his only one) was platonic and he called it 'unhealthy', so he knows what it is to have a more distant relationship and i think it's not what he longs forIP: Logged |