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married11years
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posted May 08, 2022 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for married11years     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, can someone help explain t me about the IC and MC.

okay, I thought that it is your "Rising" sign that map out your houses ruler including your IC and MC (IC 4th house, MC 10th house).

I just run a chart of 2 people have the same Rising sign (Cancer Asc).

My husband have Cancer Rising. His IC (4th house is in Libra sign), his MC (10th house is in Aries sign).

Now, I run a chart of a friend who also have Cancer Rising. But her IC (4th house is in Virgo), and her MC (10th house is in Pisces).

How is this possible? I thought your Ascendant map out all your houses ruler are including IC and MC, which are 4th and 10th house.

How can my husband and my friend share the same Ascendant, but have different IC and MC?

eta: And I just run a chart of a friend who has Leo Ascendant, and she has IC in Libra, and MC in Aries just like my husband (whom have Cancer Ascendant).

How can it? What is going on? I'm confuse. I thought it your Ascendant sign that map out your houses ruler including map out your IC and MC.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted May 08, 2022 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are on a roll 🤣. So many threads here are started by you.

The Ic/Mc is very sensitive to place of birth as well as the time of the Asc. IC is home life/early environment AND MC is career/reputation.

I notice if I was born a little later, my Asc/Dsc would still be Aries/Lib respectively (but in later degrees). But my Ic/Mc axis would be early Leo & Aqua respectively.

These small differences is what marks individuality between people.

A Can Asc with IC-Sco (like my sister) would be born into a family that keeps a lot of secrets.Painful experiences in childhood involving betrayal of those close to you leave imprints on who you let get close.

A Can Asc with Ic-Lib may not have suffered such trauma and may be more socially minded because of the "we" nature of Libra. Add to that, the relationship between the parents may be something that the native looks up to or is a source of security i.e. "my parents have been married for 30 years" etc. Reiterating the importance of partnerships and marriage for their sense of emotional well-being etc.

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posted May 08, 2022 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for married11years     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But this is what I don't get sis Aries23Degrees, I thought your Ascendant map out all your houses ruler are.
Example if Cancer Asc, then Cancer is the sign of their 1st house (go down the list of the 12 zodiacs), 2nd house is Leo, 3rd house is Virgo, and so on.

My husband IC 4th house is Libra sign, MC 10th house is Aries sign.

My friend whom also Cancer Ascendant (like my husband), but how can her IC 4th house sign is Virgo, and MC 10th house sign is Pisces? HOW can that be possible?

I thought whatever your Ascendant is, you share the same houses ruler as everyone that have the same Asc as you.

I'm confuse.

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posted May 08, 2022 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for married11years     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 09, 2022 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for married11years     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries23Degrees,

see this is what I not understand, so I need you explain to me.

We have the 12 zodiacs right? Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces.
When you have Cancer Asc, meaning Cancer sign in your 1st, Leo in your 2nd house cusp, Virgo in your 3rd house cusp, etc.. so on. Go down that zodiacs list.

My husband is Cancer Asc, Libra is the sign on his 4th house cusp. He has Aries on his 10th.

But you said your friend is Cancer Asc, but she have Scorpio as the sign on her 4th house cusp. That make Taurus on your friend 10th.

My friend who also Cancer Asc, but she has Virgo sign on her 4th house cusp. Pisces on her 10th.

So HOW can 3 people with with the same Cancer Asc, but have different sign on their IC (4th) house and MC (10th) house? I thought your Ascendant map out all your houses ruler (look at the 12 zodiacs list, it goes down the list).

Are you saying the IC and MC does not follow the Ascendant sign, then go down the list of the 12 zodiacs?

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posted May 09, 2022 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know if this will help to answer your question. But we can both move into the same neighbourhood, at the same time but still be different distances away from the mall.

Astrologers online always use generic Astrology and don't go into specifics until they are doing a chart one on one.

So what you read online is often a situation where all exceptions are ignored or relaxed. And you get the "perfect" alignment of signs as would be in their zodiacal order.

Children born every day are characterised as "girl" or "boy". And many fit into these alignments. But there are many cases(also) of thosè that do not.And astrology is the same. There are many exceptions to the general rule that Pop Astrology erroneously overlooks for the sake of so-called "simplicity". But I think it just makes astrology come across inaccurate and inconsistent.

If I live in the Southern Hemisphere and in a specific area.The sun rises and sets at a different time then would be the case of someone born close to the tropic of Cancer etc.There are longitudinal differences that must be accounted for as well as the seasonal month of the Sun's orbit etc.

The MC/Ic(in its calculation) takes these differences into account. That is why some systems tend to fall apart the higher up you go to the Northern hemisphere i.e they widen certain houses disproportionately whilst shortening others.

There are often mathematical readjustment needed to account for spatial/longitudinal discrepancies i.e if I am Cancer Asc born in the Arctic,I will certainly have a different MC/IC axis from a Cancer Asc born in Johannesburg at the same time/day and year.

So as i said,take what you read online as generic.It is not "one rule applies to all". Because according to my time of birth(by generic tables I find online) I am Pisces rising. But this table doesn't take into consideration the MC/Ic axis- which is extremely important.

Some astrologers prefer to focus on rectifying the Mc/Ic degree with transits amd progressions etc. And then (by default consequence) determine the Asc/Dsc. They work "backwards" to what is conventionally taught.🤷🏿‍♂️

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