posted November 02, 2021 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
I know it sounds odd to say but I have found that a lot of leaders have an active 12th house and that 12th house people can actually see things afar from a distance. It is like the 12th house makes it possible for you to not get influenced easily by others since you are reclusive and be a lot more objective.

I've also read that these people are psychic and extremely good at reading others. Not sure how true that is.

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This is true. I've held leadership positions at work before leaving to start my own professional venture. I've a 12th house Gemini moon conjunct north node. I'm Not outwardly emotional, but empathetic, can see both sides of a situation and make snap decisions.

posted November 05, 2021 04:56 PM            

I am also a 12th house moon (I saw a few others here are too.) I'm full moon in gemini. I need alot of me time and am very sensitive to my environment. I can account for it helping me be very aware of the needs, wants & intentions of others. It's exhausting. I also have retro chiron in close conjunction to my Moon so there is that feeling that I need to fix or heal whatever to the point of self destruction. I have had to learn to be more selfish. I have a tendency to merge with my environment. The 12th can be a very frightening place. I have several mental illnesses and have been taken to the hospital 4 times, one of those I was sent to the mental hospital afterwards for nearly a month. I feel things very stronglt but luckily gemini makes me much more logical than emotional. But I think the logic is more specific to personal emotions. When I am stuck in a pool of my own self pity I can rationalize my way out quickly. And like someone else said, I bounce back easily. I think 12th house native tend to bounce back is because alot of what they are experiencing is what they have absorbed from things outside of themselves.

I notice that after I have "purged" (as I call it) personal pains & emotions, it creates a channel for me to absorb a collective one, if that makes any sense.

posted November 17, 2021 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
I know it sounds odd to say but I have found that a lot of leaders have an active 12th house and that 12th house people can actually see things afar from a distance. It is like the 12th house makes it possible for you to not get influenced easily by others since you are reclusive and be a lot more objective.

I've also read that these people are psychic and extremely good at reading others. Not sure how true that is.

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Hmm that's interesting, because in my observations I have learned to wonder about the intentions of the person who owns a packed 12th house, because it is like the "double agent" house in some people.

It is a misty, foggy house and it is easy for things to hide there, things that do not want to be noticed and prefer to hide from us and the world. If whatever is hiding is benevolent or malevolent remains to be seen. Some things only "wake up" during certain transits.

Not only that, but planets in the 12th house, especially if badly aspected, can indicate a mentally unwell person. For example, individuals who have multiple personality disorder, or psychological disorders in general, often have a packed 12th house.

posted November 17, 2021 07:03 PM            

Conjunction=merging, Asc among other things= start of the 1st House. The Asc is the most sensitive and amplifying area of all in a chart. Hence, Planet+conjuncting the Asc= a symbol extremely descriptive of the very energies of self i.e. extremely conscious and highlighted/amplified.

Edgar Cayce had Uranus conjunct his Asc and his own Life readings mentioned things like, "Uranus at the zenith" and often talked about Edgar's predominant and powerful Uranian attunement. Zenith in this case meaning things like, "the time at which something is most powerful..." Edgar's Life readings for himself, indicated that his Expanded self had rolled together a very odd set of a group of very fast vibratory patterns with a group of slow vibratory patterns, and it was like he was in constant tug of war between these two very different influences.

posted November 17, 2021 10:02 PM            

Ancient Astrology was essentially predictive and, in that context, the houses that didn't make any major aspect to the 1H were not considered as supportive to the native (these houses are 6H and 8H because they're in inconjunct to the 1H, and 12H and 2H because they're in semisextile. The 12H is the joy of Saturn because the 12H rules anything that blocks and imprison us (literally or metaphorically), isolation, losses, hidden enemies of all kinds).

On the other hand, if we consider the astrological wheel as a mandala of evolution, the 12H is the end of a major cyle before the beginning of a new one (1H). Then the 12H can represent anything previous to this current incarnation. In Karmic Astrology, the 12H is linked to past lives and pre-birth matters. In Evolutionary Astrology, the 12H is where we surrender, merge with the all, connect to the divine.

I have a 12H Mars Retrograde, OOB in Gemini. In Classical Astrology, Mars is the most malefic planet for me. In terms of events it's true: the most troublesome issues in my life have the nature of Mars. Mars rules my 10H (Aries) and 5H (Scorpio): I faced a good amount of hidden enemies in my professional life (people who would gossip and try to smear campaign me to destroy my career) but my mother (10H) was by far the worst hidden enemy of my life: besides the abusive things she'd to my face, she'd do horrible smear campaigns about me, behind my back to destroy my reputation (and probably still does but I cut ties with her years ago).

Looking at my chart as an evolutionary mandala, I have past life issues related to Mars. It's possible that I misused the energy of Mars (in my case it was overuse for sure because I don't have assertiveness issues. It's also possible that the energy directed towards me during pregnancy was hostile (which it was, I was an unplanned and unwanted child).

posted November 17, 2021 11:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Amoranthaniela:
Hmm that's interesting, because in my observations I have learned to wonder about the intentions of the person who owns a packed 12th house, because it is like the "double agent" house in some people.

It is a misty, foggy house and it is easy for things to hide there, things that do not want to be noticed and prefer to hide from us and the world. If whatever is hiding is benevolent or malevolent remains to be seen. Some things only "wake up" during certain transits.

Not only that, but planets in the 12th house, especially if badly aspected, can indicate a mentally unwell person. For example, individuals who have multiple personality disorder, or psychological disorders in general, often have a packed 12th house.

For me 12th house can be a blessing or a curse but I see it as this: the body has more than one pilot.

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posted November 21, 2021 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amoranthaniela:
[b] If a range of your personality is bigger than their shallow perception, they get upset and afraid of you.

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posted April 26, 2022 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by VeronicaNicole:
I think it's perhaps the 12th house creates a window into the collective. People with an active 12th house are more in tune with that and that gives them the ability to either use that insight to help or exploit and harm. Either way they know what people want and they use that to their advantage regardless of their intentions.

I am also a 12th house moon (I saw a few others here are too.) I'm full moon in gemini. I need alot of me time and am very sensitive to my environment. I can account for it helping me be very aware of the needs, wants & intentions of others. It's exhausting. I also have retro chiron in close conjunction to my Moon so there is that feeling that I need to fix or heal whatever to the point of self destruction. I have had to learn to be more selfish. I have a tendency to merge with my environment. The 12th can be a very frightening place. I have several mental illnesses and have been taken to the hospital 4 times, one of those I was sent to the mental hospital afterwards for nearly a month. I feel things very stronglt but luckily gemini makes me much more logical than emotional. But I think the logic is more specific to personal emotions. When I am stuck in a pool of my own self pity I can rationalize my way out quickly. And like someone else said, I bounce back easily. I think 12th house native tend to bounce back is because alot of what they are experiencing is what they have absorbed from things outside of themselves.

I notice that after I have "purged" (as I call it) personal pains & emotions, it creates a channel for me to absorb a collective one, if that makes any sense.

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posted April 30, 2022 01:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I think 12th or Neptune is like a bad genie. It can give you things, but in some screw up way. Sometimes you know, sometimes you’re deceived. You can get what you want, but one important thing could be terribly wrong or requires sacrifices you cannot make.

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Spot on from my experience.

Mars in the 7H conjunct NN. Mars rules my 12H.

I recently had a very intense relationship with a guy who had Pluto in the 12H natally with Pluto also ruling his 12H.

Synastry wise, my Scorpio stellium was packed in his 12H.

I initially thought the gift was him and our relationship.

The relationship was very cozy though but isolated from the public eye a lot of the time and i don't think either one of us really cared.

3 years later? I discovered NPD and my whole world changed. He was the key to a lot of missing puzzle pieces related to my childhood and issues with my father and eventually men..

posted April 30, 2022 10:54 AM            

Like a guy at work I immediately got spooky goth vibes from him, and I live in my dead mom's house vibes. Before I got to know him better. And yes he is an old school goth and he inherited his late mothers house.

At my first preschool job a teacher once said I get creep vibes from him. I said I get " a name of a town that has a blue collar, Kentucky, moving on up from the trailer park reputation" vibes. The teacher then told me he is from that town!

I once picked up on really bad energy from a girl. This is before I knew anything about her. Basically a hot girl who is unstable AF, puts all her worth into how hot she is and nothing else, and has tantrums and harasses people. She use to string along my now husband. My husband was done with her and was going after me at this party. She was with her boyfriend at the time. I have hung out with her boyfriend in group settings. I also got vibes that she lowkey saw me as a potential threat. When I introduced my self, I was friendly AF too. LOL Black hole spiral aura.

posted April 30, 2022 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Gracha:
Yes, I can read people like a book it's scary and have psychic abilities. moon conjunct North Node.

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My husband has 12th house Moon, and Moon Conjunct North Node too, and he can read people like a book (like you said). He can see right through me. White lies? Pffff he see right through you.

What your Sun sign may I ask? I wonder if you share same Sun sign as my husband.

posted April 30, 2022 12:00 PM            

I am definitely a loner, and I have been in the hospital once. Before I reached my mid 20's I was a mess. I had no concept of who I was, nor did I know how to go about the world. I definitely feel like there were past life issues I was dealing with, and I'm sure there are still some in my present. I was horribly dissociated because of trauma growing up, and closed off.

Now though, I can handle responsibilities, I've been structuring my life with exercise and work as well as indulging in my creative side. I definitely feel certain ways about people, I don't know if they're necessarily correct 100% of the time though. Sometimes they are.

I think the biggest gift I have is being able to change myself, I can stop habits if they aren't helping me grow. I decided to stop smoking one day and never looked back. I also enjoy changing my clothing style and learning new things. I have been able to pick up on spiritual entities and I can sometimes pick up on another's energy and intuit random facts about them. But they have to be open to it as well.

I still perfer time to myself, but now I know how to make small talk to sooth someone's nerves, and am more willing to show my emotions to strangers. I have few friends but the one I have is solid, I want to make more one day but I'm unwilling to fall into a friendship with someone who isn't genuine.