posted October 15, 2015 11:04 PM            

What this one does, is constantly feed me "victim" scenarios to see how I will respond. From "I got put out" up to "I was just assaulted" AND there have been about 4 far fetched stories of him being assaulted!!! Attempted robbery, police harassment, family member etc. He keeps producing "woe is me" crap that I can see right through. Just caught him in his lie by challenging him with my own lie! He back tracked so damn fast. It's ridiculous. Aside from this weird behavior he's a decent person. But YES he is obsessed with me and I'm not dumb, he's trying anything to make me run to his side.

posted October 16, 2015 01:04 AM            

@frankie2912 that made me !!! It's sorta interesting that there's really nothing particular to add, but him just being an unevolved person. I need to be very careful how I let him down...he's borderline freaking me out. Thanks everyone!

posted October 16, 2015 06:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think this is more a personality thing and not necessarily all planet placement related.

I have Venus in Scorpio and I mostly keep my troubles and strife secret. I don't want to appear "weak" etc.

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posted October 16, 2015 06:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Plutonian_Gal8:
Straight to the point, I'm dealing with one who plays VERY ridiculous games of manipulation. Problem is it's not working and ******* me off. I don't know his TOB and there aren't any particular Pluto aspects to add to this.

What this one does, is constantly feed me "victim" scenarios to see how I will respond. From "I got put out" up to "I was just assaulted" AND there have been about 4 far fetched stories of him being assaulted!!! Attempted robbery, police harassment, family member etc. He keeps producing "woe is me" crap that I can see right through. Just caught him in his lie by challenging him with my own lie! He back tracked so damn fast. It's ridiculous. Aside from this weird behavior he's a decent person. But YES he is obsessed with me and I'm not dumb, he's trying anything to make me run to his side.

Venus Scorpios, tell me what's going on here pls!? Any natal afflictions that may add to this? Those who have experience being with one? I don't want to believe it's solely his Venus making him trippy like this. I know this isn't an asteroid forum but if you have a suggestion just add that in your response pls.

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So much scorpio on the threads lately! The season IS upon us...

I am surrounded by Scorpios in my life - dated a Scorpio sun for awhile, brother is a Scorpio sun, and my current boyfriend is Cap sun but with VENUS IN SCORPIO and Scorpio ASC, so I will use him as an example.

The games are a part of things, because depending on where they are in their evolving, you may very well have to teach him what's right. Some people don't feel like doing this.

An unevolved ViS (like yours) will lie ,play games, chase, go silent, and basically act like a 6 year old boy: so much unfocused energy, so much sensitivity and confusion in themselves, and absolutely an all-over-the-map approach to their morals.

So then, where the 'mistreatment' is concerned, you have to treat him like the 6 year old boy. He misbehaves - you remove the toy. He cries for it, you ignore the tears. Over time, he starts to put two and two together: "Oh... if I lie, she goes away and I don't get to have fun anymore." Maybe the lies start to go away. The sob stories are right in line with this - attention, attention, attention.

Because Venus in Scorpio feels so completely uncomfortable in that position (it is in detriment in Venus), they go back and forth for a long time between "I don't deserve love anyway so she must be crazy/not worthy/ something wrong for wanting me" and "Wait I'm losing her and want her because she's mine, what can I do to make sure she stays?!?!"

It's exhausting. And my only advice to you is, when he treats you well, reinforce how good it is. Lay on the feelings you have. Don't rock the boat. When it's bad - raise hell. Disappear on him. Show him he SCREWED UP. Do not for a second show that it hurt you, just "Ok, you wanna act like this? Goodbye." And let him sweat.

I know that's harsh but it is the only thing that works.

So in my experience, my current ViS did the same stuff for a long time. He was burdened with a crazy ex who was still in his life when we started dating. He told me sob stories every time I was really busy with other things - it dragged my attention right back to him until I started seeing what he was doing. He was insecure about the male friends in my life but rather than talk to me about it like an adult, instead would rub in my face how girls wanted him at parties. Basically, in the first 5 months of our dating he was on one hand an awesome guy I was falling in love with, and on the other a partier who didn't know who he was and still acted single. So I ended things until he got the picture. I did my own thing - I pursued my dreams, and made extremely clear to him that I didn't have time for any immature games and lies. And he REALLY heard me.

It was like watching a toddler test my limits and then finally stop, knowing he was just screwing himself out of any extra playtime. :-p

It's a long story how we got where we are now, but he's been one of the most solid, stable people I've ever known in the recent phase of things. He's going through his saturn return and re-evaluating a lot of his life.

Venus in Scorpio men just run on this crash course a lot, I believe. But from what I've seen, once they're over that phase with someone, they really are over it. Not like they won't ever make mistakes again... but not in the same way.

posted October 16, 2015 11:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Cappi112:
So much scorpio on the threads lately! The season IS upon us...

I am surrounded by Scorpios in my life - dated a Scorpio sun for awhile, brother is a Scorpio sun, and my current boyfriend is Cap sun but with VENUS IN SCORPIO and Scorpio ASC, so I will use him as an example.

The games are a part of things, because depending on where they are in their evolving, you may very well have to teach him what's right. Some people don't feel like doing this.

An unevolved ViS (like yours) will lie ,play games, chase, go silent, and basically act like a 6 year old boy: so much unfocused energy, so much sensitivity and confusion in themselves, and absolutely an all-over-the-map approach to their morals.

So then, where the 'mistreatment' is concerned, you have to treat him like the 6 year old boy. He misbehaves - you remove the toy. He cries for it, you ignore the tears. Over time, he starts to put two and two together: "Oh... if I lie, she goes away and I don't get to have fun anymore." Maybe the lies start to go away. The sob stories are right in line with this - attention, attention, attention.

Because Venus in Scorpio feels so completely uncomfortable in that position (it is in detriment in Venus), they go back and forth for a long time between "I don't deserve love anyway so she must be crazy/not worthy/ something wrong for wanting me" and "Wait I'm losing her and want her because she's mine, what can I do to make sure she stays?!?!"

It's exhausting. And my only advice to you is, when he treats you well, reinforce how good it is. Lay on the feelings you have. Don't rock the boat. When it's bad - raise hell. Disappear on him. Show him he SCREWED UP. Do not for a second show that it hurt you, just "Ok, you wanna act like this? Goodbye." And let him sweat.

I know that's harsh but it is the only thing that works.

So in my experience, my current ViS did the same stuff for a long time. He was burdened with a crazy ex who was still in his life when we started dating. He told me sob stories every time I was really busy with other things - it dragged my attention right back to him until I started seeing what he was doing. He was insecure about the male friends in my life but rather than talk to me about it like an adult, instead would rub in my face how girls wanted him at parties. Basically, in the first 5 months of our dating he was on one hand an awesome guy I was falling in love with, and on the other a partier who didn't know who he was and still acted single. So I ended things until he got the picture. I did my own thing - I pursued my dreams, and made extremely clear to him that I didn't have time for any immature games and lies. And he REALLY heard me.

It was like watching a toddler test my limits and then finally stop, knowing he was just screwing himself out of any extra playtime. :-p

It's a long story how we got where we are now, but he's been one of the most solid, stable people I've ever known in the recent phase of things. He's going through his saturn return and re-evaluating a lot of his life.

Venus in Scorpio men just run on this crash course a lot, I believe. But from what I've seen, once they're over that phase with someone, they really are over it. Not like they won't ever make mistakes again... but not in the same way.

So it's just up to you. Personally, if someone were lying to me pathologically... trust would never fully come back. But that's my limit. You'll know when you've hit yours.

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you said it so good. omg. everything you said about the UNEVOLVED venus in scorpio male is so TRUE omg......i' m dealing with something like that myself at the moment but cappi112 let me tell you something this guy is so immature he's got SUN CONJUNCT VENUS IN SCOPRIO within 1 degree orb!!!! so its TIGHT! so he's double immature omg and sooooo self absorbed and thinks he's the most good looking guy ever and he is good-looking he is but not one of the best, he's very charming has a big ego he's got moon opposition pluto so that spells more trouble with emotions and not wanting to admit his true feelings uhhhhh. evyerthing you said is so true as far as an unevolved venus in scorpio man yes.

posted October 17, 2015 06:30 AM            

SEPARATE RESPONSE: I'm not surprised some ppl are rubbed wrong when there's an aspect/planet isolation (some of you get ****** off too often with that) but the fact is that's how you LEARN to distinguish variables in a chart; what hits heavy in energy, where you can see areas of balance, and understand aspects that may sober or sort of cancel out certain energy. I am so sick of the short snappy responses on here!! If you perceive I'm attacking the character of someone with this ONE aspect you are tripping and it's NOT that serious!! If you won't add to my wanting the knowledge then say nothing at all. I have NO problem being corrected where I may be naive, but don't patronize me by being dismissive! Nonetheless THANKS for informing me that often planets and placements are still person by person factors and unevolved personalities don't speak to the full description of every individual!

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Originally posted by Cappi112:
So much scorpio on the threads lately! The season IS upon us...

I am surrounded by Scorpios in my life - dated a Scorpio sun for awhile, brother is a Scorpio sun, and my current boyfriend is Cap sun but with VENUS IN SCORPIO and Scorpio ASC, so I will use him as an example.

The games are a part of things, because depending on where they are in their evolving, you may very well have to teach him what's right. Some people don't feel like doing this.

An unevolved ViS (like yours) will lie ,play games, chase, go silent, and basically act like a 6 year old boy: so much unfocused energy, so much sensitivity and confusion in themselves, and absolutely an all-over-the-map approach to their morals.

So then, where the 'mistreatment' is concerned, you have to treat him like the 6 year old boy. He misbehaves - you remove the toy. He cries for it, you ignore the tears. Over time, he starts to put two and two together: "Oh... if I lie, she goes away and I don't get to have fun anymore." Maybe the lies start to go away. The sob stories are right in line with this - attention, attention, attention.

Because Venus in Scorpio feels so completely uncomfortable in that position (it is in detriment in Venus), they go back and forth for a long time between "I don't deserve love anyway so she must be crazy/not worthy/ something wrong for wanting me" and "Wait I'm losing her and want her because she's mine, what can I do to make sure she stays?!?!"

It's exhausting. And my only advice to you is, when he treats you well, reinforce how good it is. Lay on the feelings you have. Don't rock the boat. When it's bad - raise hell. Disappear on him. Show him he SCREWED UP. Do not for a second show that it hurt you, just "Ok, you wanna act like this? Goodbye." And let him sweat.

I know that's harsh but it is the only thing that works.

So in my experience, my current ViS did the same stuff for a long time. He was burdened with a crazy ex who was still in his life when we started dating. He told me sob stories every time I was really busy with other things - it dragged my attention right back to him until I started seeing what he was doing. He was insecure about the male friends in my life but rather than talk to me about it like an adult, instead would rub in my face how girls wanted him at parties. Basically, in the first 5 months of our dating he was on one hand an awesome guy I was falling in love with, and on the other a partier who didn't know who he was and still acted single. So I ended things until he got the picture. I did my own thing - I pursued my dreams, and made extremely clear to him that I didn't have time for any immature games and lies. And he REALLY heard me.

It was like watching a toddler test my limits and then finally stop, knowing he was just screwing himself out of any extra playtime. :-p

It's a long story how we got where we are now, but he's been one of the most solid, stable people I've ever known in the recent phase of things. He's going through his saturn return and re-evaluating a lot of his life.

Venus in Scorpio men just run on this crash course a lot, I believe. But from what I've seen, once they're over that phase with someone, they really are over it. Not like they won't ever make mistakes again... but not in the same way.

So it's just up to you. Personally, if someone were lying to me pathologically... trust would never fully come back. But that's my limit. You'll know when you've hit yours.

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