posted April 20, 2018 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
As a major alternative, he might be a Scorpio ASC with Libra MC! Would explain him being in so many psychological thrillers and why his career always seems so focused on his relationships (friendships and love matters both).
Oh my goodness, im actually becoming more convinced about this. there's a thread from linda goodman in which people were trying to guess benedict's asc and almost noone got the right answer. it turned out to be libra rising after all.
so....im considering that maybe, just maybe...the least expected might be the right one.
i posted this same subject at another forum but more of an expanded version with some quotes from martin (see below. so, scorpio (or pisces) might not be a bad alternative. please see below.
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In my opinion, he's a taurus mooner. He appreciates fine music, clothing. I'm not sure about food but, he seems to be the type of person who likes the fine life. He's also very much of a homebody. From an interview: “I’ve got a stag weekend coming up and I’ve said I’m not doing anything more than a few drinks. I won’t have it. I’ll go home and watch Antiques Roadshow.” He has also stated: “My idea of a good night out is staying in.”
So, placing him as a taurus mooner leaves us with the following options: libra, scorpio, sag, cap, aqua, pisces, aries, taurus and gemini.
I eliminated libra, sag, aqua, aries and gemini off the bat. Why? I just didn't see it.
Capricorn: People always say that he looks approachable. So no cap.
Others say he seems insufferable, dry and boring in interviews. So maybe cap.
He also ages weird. Sometimes he looks really old, other times he looks young. He also cares about shoes, which can be very cappy, judging on other cap asc I have met.
Pisces: There's something soft and dreamy about him.
Taurus: I am not sure.
Scorpio: Don't feel any intensity.
But then, I started reading some descriptions on grupovenus.com (the astro website) and started playing with different rising signs for him. These are some descriptions that stood up to me when I played with scorpio asc for Martin.
From grupovenus' description of scorpio asc:
"You express your opinions frankly and may voice truths that will bother others. You do not know how to mask your dislikes and you are very selective with people; you give yourself totally to the people you love and you seek for sincerity and authenticity in them. "
Martin has often been accused of being unpolitically correct and he's sure very frank and good at comebacks in intervews.
Also from grupovenus: "During your childhood you had tense or risky experiences that have strengthened your temperament. It is possible that you suffered falls or blows because of your fearlessness and desire for adventure. Your home underwent profound changes and you experienced aggressive situations. You have learned that sensitivity is synonymous to weakness and because of that today you appear to be combative. Also, since childhood you have shown yourself to be stubborn and inflexible in your plans and also capable of imposing yourself on or dominating others. If you can free yourself from the negative emotions such as jealousy, revenge, resentment, etc. and can channel your aggressiveness as a constructive energy, you will be very successful throughout your life."
Some background on Martin is that his parents divorced when he was one, then he lived with his naval officer father until the age of 10, when his father died of a heart attack. Afterwards, he lived with his mother. To me, I find that pluto/scorpionic people usually have some complicated history concerning parents and/or childhood.
Also, if his rising is in scorpio, he would have Jupiter in the 1st house which can lead to weight issues and if anyone knows of Martin from back then, he was actually chubby.
He would also have neptune in 1st: charming, charismatic.
He would also have sag in the 2nd cusp, which means he will encounter success in a different country from where he was born. Most of Martin's success is happening in the US.
Also, the energy thing? In one interview Martin said:“I’m angry and defensive about everything” and that he is “not brilliant at being happy”.
Asked what makes him angry, he answered: F***ing name it! Some of it is a sort of light-hearted anger that I know will pass, but some is pretty deep-seated, a fundamental part of me that I think people often don’t understand.”
The Sherlock TV series drops dark hints about Holmes’ childhood traumas which made him who he is.
Similarly, Martin’s dark side can be traced. His parents split when he was just one and he lived with his naval officer dad, who then died of a heart attack when Martin was ten.
When he was 15, he discovered acting, and found it a release for his churning emotions: “If I didn’t have this outlet, this valve, God alone knows what I’d be.”
While Martin likes to see himself as a troubled genius, friends say Amanda was his calming influence.
So, after reading this, I thought aries? But the anger in relation to people not understanding....that's too scorpionic to me.
Also, if Amanda (his former partner) was a calming influence, note that she's a Pisces sun and a Taurus mooner. Her birthtime is unknown. However, I think that whichever rising sign he has must have made a comfortable aspect with her sun and moon.
Now, Pisces rising. Again, I see something dreamy about him. A quote from Martin:
On why he gave up squash, Martin joked: “I don’t have the mental strength or killer instinct. I’d be beating an opponent and worry he was upset. I became an actor because I’m a softie.” Pisces can be very sensitive like this.
When I played around with Pisces asc for Martin on grupovenus, these are two descriptions that stood up. Moon in 1st House and Taurus in 2nd.
Moon in 1st House: You have a lot of charisma that will allow you to excel and gain popularity, especially if you work with the public. You will become a model for many other people who will want to imitate your way of life. On the other hand, you will also be exposed to criticism, gossip and envy.
Mf , you are very sensitive, emotional and imaginative. It is probable that your moods are very changeable and, as a consequence, your decisions also. You are active and restless and need to be in constant movement, which will lead you to travel many different paths in life.
During your infancy you probably lived in several different places and experienced a certain amount of instability. The relationship with your mother was very close and important, and from her you inherit a great paternal instinct towards all your loved ones. You are protective and giving, and you like your efforts to be recognized. You can also be hypersensitive and feel hurt by any little thing. You will prove to have great imagination and intuition.
Taurus in the 2nd House
You have business abilities and it is possible that you make a lot of money through persistent work, good investments, and good administration. You will reach the economic stability you desire with effort and dedication. You have the will to prevail in moments of crisis and the ability to pave your own way. Though the business world seems to be ideal for you, you can also earn money in jobs related to land, cultivation, or something very different like the arts.
Also, it is possible that you spend a lot on luxuries. Though you have the inner confidence that you will overcome all your economic problems, you must learn to control yourself and save to avoid problems in the future.
The only luxuries I can think of are his spending on vinyl records but other than this, he doesnt seem like a spendthrift.
At one point I was too focused on the physical aspect when determining the asc when I learnt that the ASC isn't solely about appearance but behaviour. I really liked the descriptions from: http://astroarena12.blogspot.com/2017/06/how-to-guess-rising-sign-by-demeanor.html and the two descriptions that stood out to me are scorpio and pisces.
For scorpio in relation to Martin:
You will notice something quietly dramatic in the demeanor. They won’t flaunt their emotions all out in the open but they usually speak in extreme language or even with a certain severity. The all-or-nothing attitude is obvious and this emerges in a way that makes them take their behavior up to an 11: incredibly sweet, intensely brooding, relentlessly funny, or savagely sarcastic. In any case, there is a distinct sense that they are hiding something, which can be bothersome upon first impression. It’s something that you can just feel in the air and it can be vaguely uncomfortable. One thing is happening on a surface level and another thing is happening underneath that and you just can’t put your finger on it. Still, in spite of this, there are moments where they can expose a part of themselves that you never knew was there. But, it won’t last long, especially since they are in control of that. Whether they are seemingly extroverted and light or not, these people always betray their intensity and seriousness when they’re not speaking. The face can be placid and mysterious but the expression can also turn scary or creepy without warning.
Martin has often said he's trying to tone down on the curse words and again, he's frank.
But then, there's the pisces asc description:
Either this person is clearly very sensitive and sweet or they put a lot of effort into not seeming as sensitive as they really are. In the latter case, it gets expressed as an aggressive extroversion or toughness that obviously act as a cover for something else. An insistence on not being that sensitive is a dead giveaway. But, there is usually a moment when the illusion shatters. If you get them talking about something very personal or say something unexpectedly hurtful, their vulnerable and tenderhearted nature is revealed. Otherwise, they are noticeably hard to pin down. A certain shyness is usually present but they are so giving and personable that they can seem more outgoing than they are. Also, there may be a lot of smiling and bursts of laughter, either because they often do not feel present and do it to reconnect or because they are being amused by something on their own spacey wavelength. There is a sweet and sympathetic face that often looks ready to listen to all of your troubles. But, at other times, they can seem mysteriously distracted by something else.
Again, people get the 'he's so sweet' impression from him and he does give that nice and sweet demeanor.
Also, he can be quite a chameleon when it comes to acting, which reminds me of pisces.
He's not good at evoking aggression to the fullest or being scary/terrifying. As in, he can't play bad guys. I've seen his role in Startup and although he's doing an incredible job, there's always something off/incomplete when he tries to be the bad guy. It just does not transmit all the way. His role as Lester in Fargo was incredible and although Lester was a bad guy, he wasn't the villain or anti-hero. You can even argue Lester was a tragic villain and many felt sympathetic towards him.
This is my analysis for now.
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posted April 17, 2018 11:12 PM
posted April 18, 2018 07:59 AM
posted April 18, 2018 12:09 PM
cause you've bumped this topic twice!