posted May 16, 2016 04:38 PM            

Many of us have Pluto in Scorpio and to varying degrees our Plutos are in conjunction with her sun. I had always figured that this aspect was tantamount to having the Pluto people support you but it would appear the opposite is true.

If you ask most people in my generation why they don't like Hillary, you often time hear one word: TRUST.

posted May 16, 2016 05:15 PM            

But in all seriousness, your friends believe in all the other politicians? It's only Hillary they don't trust?

posted May 16, 2016 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I think she does alright...Lots of ppl i know support her.

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Well I won't turn the conversation purely political but I will say I have a hard time supporting someone who decides to defend a rapist (as a private practice attorney) in a court of law and accuses a 12 year old rape victim of having enticed her own rape.

I also know she lied about Benghazi, refuses to release the transcripts of her paid bank speeches, refuses to acknowledge the Honduras coup and for the love of God has no idea where the 10 billion dollars allocated for Haiti went from the Clinton Foundation.

posted May 16, 2016 07:44 PM            

I think it's more likely her Saturn in Leo squaring Scorpio that's symbolizing the mistrust. Saturn and Pluto in hard aspects will create mistrust

posted May 16, 2016 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I think she does alright...Lots of ppl i know support her.

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Me too. I'm a part of the Pluto in Scorpio generation, as well.

posted May 17, 2016 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Regulus18:
So I've been thinking about Hillary Clinton and why she seems to not be doing so well with the adults in my generation (20-30 as well as the rising adults (18 & below).

Many of us have Pluto in Scorpio and to varying degrees our Plutos are in conjunction with her sun. I had always figured that this aspect was tantamount to having the Pluto people support you but it would appear the opposite is true.

If you ask most people in my generation why they don't like Hillary, you often time hear one word: TRUST.

Sun-Pluto = Trust issues??

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I happen to have the same issue with her, as do many of my friends from my (Pluto in Libra) generation.

posted May 17, 2016 12:13 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:

But in all seriousness, your friends believe in all the other politicians? It's only Hillary they don't trust?

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posted May 17, 2016 12:42 AM            

I was talking to dad about all of it, earlier. They were talking about Clinton speaking somewhere (talking on the radio), and saying she's the only one who can do something. I groaned, because I get tired of hearing them say things like that. Yes, only you, out of everyone else in the United States, can sort everything out, and bring peace, good health, and sanity, to the entire human race.

posted May 17, 2016 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Regulus18:
Well I won't turn the conversation purely political but I will say I have a hard time supporting someone who decides to defend a rapist (as a private practice attorney) in a court of law and accuses a 12 year old rape victim of having enticed her own rape.

I also know she lied about Benghazi, refuses to release the transcripts of her paid bank speeches, refuses to acknowledge the Honduras coup and for the love of God has no idea where the 10 billion dollars allocated for Haiti went from the Clinton Foundation.

Trust issues.

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In fact, she has lots of supporters from this generation.

posted May 17, 2016 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Regulus18:
[b] Well I won't turn the conversation purely political but I will say I have a hard time supporting someone who decides to defend a rapist (as a private practice attorney) in a court of law and accuses a 12 year old rape victim of having enticed her own rape.

I also know she lied about Benghazi, refuses to release the transcripts of her paid bank speeches, refuses to acknowledge the Honduras coup and for the love of God has no idea where the 10 billion dollars allocated for Haiti went from the Clinton Foundation.

Trust issues.

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In fact, she has lots of supporters from this generation.

Now if you do not support her, that's your individual opinion and does not reflect her popularity with this generation.[/B][/QUOTE]

posted May 17, 2016 02:28 PM            

perhaps, the younger generation are disconnected from society? where's all this mistrust steaming from? the anger? i feel that plenty of people project their issues on her alot... and this has been the story throughout her life in public, since the 90s. people forget to embrace that she's been standing firm (that takes alot of strength and confidence) to overcome all the sh*t people have thrown at her for decades!

from a rational point of view, why are people so obsessed with her wall street speeches and releasing them? will it make a difference if she does release them? (Sanders and his followers want her to release the transcripts because they are trying to find some sort of evidence to validate their own mistrust and validate that yes, she is this liar and money greedy person. they basically want a validation of their own perception of her being a liar) yes, she might have been paid loads of money for these speeches, but does that take away her decades worth of work in serving the poor people in this country? i think people are angry at her for no reason at all. yet, just another psychological projections from THEIR own set of anger and bitterness.

pluto in scorpio people are ruled by strong emotions. they look at the world through a emotional lense. when people become imbalance with their emotions, they tend to become irrational. perhaps, that is why most younger generation (pluto in scorpio) tend to look at all the assumptions about Clinton from a irrational point of view. assumption example -- she lied about Benghazi, that must mean she is a liar, even though a committee has found no evidence to support this 'lie'. when a person's emotional perspective become invalidated, one becomes anxious. anxious thoughts are as persistent as they usually are irrational. when they take over our self-talk, it can feel like we can’t change the script. but they’re just lines in a script we run through our heads—a fiction. (that's why there's so many angry and frustrated Sanders followers out there who are constantly accusing Clinton as this liar.) i understand there are other supporters who are older and fall under pluto in libra...but wanted to point out your question regarding pluto in scorpio.

are you following?

astrologically speaking, one has to ask the question-- what placement and aspects in Hillary Clinton's natal chart that would push so many people to project their issues onto her? That's how i would look at it.

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Well I won't turn the conversation purely political but I will say I have a hard time supporting someone who decides to defend a rapist (as a private practice attorney) in a court of law and accuses a 12 year old rape victim of having enticed her own rape.

I also know she lied about Benghazi, refuses to release the transcripts of her paid bank speeches, refuses to acknowledge the Honduras coup and for the love of God has no idea where the 10 billion dollars allocated for Haiti went from the Clinton Foundation.

Trust issues. [/b]

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other people's trust issues, including yours has nothing to do with her. if you are questioning your pluto in scorpio, for transformation's sake, look more into that and how you are able to transmute and heal your trust issues. inner work is a subjective process.

posted May 17, 2016 04:26 PM            

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Now if you do not support her, that's your individual opinion and does not reflect her popularity with this generation.

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posted May 17, 2016 05:02 PM            

I based this off of my surroundings which happens to be diverse (afforded to me by my location in the DC Suburbs. Being a Gemini moon I've had the pleasure of drinking in many politicized bars and have attended many galas in the DC area from which I based my opinion.

She is popular with people here and there in my age group. But I have found that she is by and large unpopular with huge swathes of the population outside of the city that she seeks to rule.

Also, I don't think that the media is feeding us pro-Sanders rhetoric. In fact that assertion is backwards. They are pumping everyone with the belief that ONLY HILLARY has what it takes.

The reason I submitted the Pluto in Scorpio generation for review was because this is the group that I have most of my day to day interactions with. There's a Pluto Libra sprinkled in here and there.

I was only trying to draw opinion on whether or not there were parallels between her Scorpio stellium and our Plutos.

posted May 17, 2016 05:09 PM            

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Also, I don't think that the media is feeding us pro-Sanders rhetoric. In fact that assertion is backwards. They are pumping everyone with the belief that ONLY HILLARY has what it takes.

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posted May 17, 2016 05:23 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
i think the younger generation are so quick to believe what the media or other candidates (in this case Sanders) are feeding them.

perhaps, the younger generation are disconnected from society? where's all this mistrust steaming from? the anger? i feel that plenty of people project their issues on her alot... and this has been the story throughout her life in public, since the 90s. people forget to embrace that she's been standing firm (that takes alot of strength and confidence) to overcome all the sh*t people have thrown at her for decades!

from a rational point of view, why are people so obsessed with her wall street speeches and releasing them? will it make a difference if she does release them? (Sanders and his followers want her to release the transcripts because they are trying to find some sort of evidence to validate their own mistrust and validate that yes, she is this liar and money greedy person. they basically want a validation of their own perception of her being a liar) yes, she might have been paid loads of money for these speeches, but does that take away her decades worth of work in serving the poor people in this country? i think people are angry at her for no reason at all. yet, just another psychological projections from THEIR own set of anger and bitterness.

pluto in scorpio people are ruled by strong emotions. they look at the world through a emotional lense. when people become imbalance with their emotions, they tend to become irrational. perhaps, that is why most younger generation (pluto in scorpio) tend to look at all the assumptions about Clinton from a irrational point of view. assumption example -- she lied about Benghazi, that must mean she is a liar, even though a committee has found no evidence to support this 'lie'. when a person's emotional perspective become invalidated, one becomes anxious. anxious thoughts are as persistent as they usually are irrational. when they take over our self-talk, it can feel like we can’t change the script. but they’re just lines in a script we run through our heads—a fiction. (that's why there's so many angry and frustrated Sanders followers out there who are constantly accusing Clinton as this liar.) i understand there are other supporters who are older and fall under pluto in libra...but wanted to point out your question regarding pluto in scorpio.

are you following?

astrologically speaking, one has to ask the question-- what placement and aspects in Hillary Clinton's natal chart that would push so many people to project their issues onto her? That's how i would look at it.

other people's trust issues, including yours has nothing to do with her. if you are questioning your pluto in scorpio, for transformation's sake, look more into that and how you are able to transmute and heal your trust issues. inner work is a subjective process.

also, all the accusations above are not facts...but merely just that... accusations and conspiracy theories.

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Hi BluestSkies88,

Thanks for your response. I don't think any of us are basing our distrust of her off one or two things. I think all in all she has been proven to throw her weight behind a number of initiatives that are later shown to be abject failures and then she has to apologize for her lack of foresight.

In addition to her refusal to release her transcripts, she has also refused to address the Honduras coup as such, she also gaffed the Haiti minimum wage negotiation, she also defended a rapist and told the jury that the 12 year old girl tempted the rapist--then later said she knew he had raped the little girl, she has refused to speak out on the countless disenfranchised voters whom were removed from voter records in NYC, and the cherry on top is the constant flip flopping on important issues and utter contempt that she hold for the Democratic voters that want to know what she said to those banks in her speeches. This is not a very honest person. I mean, I know she's a Scorpio but she needs to work on her transparency.

posted May 17, 2016 05:26 PM            

So I hope she wins, just to drive them insane.

Not that I trust or admire her whatsoever.

posted May 17, 2016 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Regulus18:
The reason I submitted the Pluto in Scorpio generation for review was because this is the group that I have most of my day to day interactions with. There's a Pluto Libra sprinkled in here and there.

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Has anyone mentioned her Pisces moon yet?

posted May 17, 2016 05:59 PM            

your perspectives are your own Regulus. If that is how you see Clinton, then OK. Why are you being fired up? there are so many other perspectives out there. it doesn't necessarily have to agree to yours. That's emotional maturity. Regarding what you said about transparency, well... that's politics for you. do you think Sanders is truly being transparent? show me a politician that's not a liar...that would be the day! lol

posted May 17, 2016 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I see the misogynists are foaming at the mouth at the prospect of a female President.

So I hope she wins, just to drive them insane.

Not that I trust or admire her whatsoever.

But at least she's not Trump...

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**sigh**

Above, I just gave a wonderful and well written explanation for the countless reasons she can't be trusted and the best thing you can produce is...I'm just being misogynistic?

For the record, I love my mom. I'm a Cancer. I love woman. I love the strength it takes to carry a child then raise it. I love the intuition carried therein and the ways that benefits woman in leadership. I think they should be in leadership position when they are honest.

posted May 17, 2016 06:13 PM            

I didn't mean to imply you or anyone here is a misogynist.

posted May 17, 2016 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
i didn't mean the media is pushing pro-sanders rhetoric. my first sentence are two points. the media is pushing negatives about Clinton AND also Sanders.

your perspectives are your own Regulus. If that is how you see Clinton, then OK. Why are you being fired up? there are so many other perspectives out there. it doesn't necessarily have to agree to yours. That's emotional maturity.

Btw, being a New Yorker....Clinton also lost plenty of votes from that Brooklyn 'voter suppression'. NOT everything is some 'scheme' you know, that is controlled by the Clinton campaign to GET SANDERS. lol

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Yes ma'am they are your opinions.

Please keep in mind we are communicating online so periods and capital letters that are intended for emphasis may be misconstrued as rude even though they are not.

With that said, nothing I'm saying here is meant to change your opinion. Merely to challenge it for soundness. I've offered some examples that you can reply to if you choose. If you don't like it, no problem. Just don't reply.