Author
|
Topic: Aspects that cause homelessness?
|
aquagembaby Knowflake Posts: 486 From: Registered: Jun 2012
|
posted June 04, 2016 02:02 AM
Anybody have any guesses or experiences on what in the chart can signify homelessness?IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 709 From: right by vancouver, bc, canada Registered: Sep 2012
|
posted June 04, 2016 03:59 AM
people who are too bored with mundane life. need challengeoften its because of drugs.. but once again maybe the do drugs cause they are bored they aren't getting enough stimulus that their psyche and chart's outcome of duad placements in certain areas IP: Logged |
Liliya Knowflake Posts: 1433 From: Registered: Jul 2013
|
posted June 04, 2016 08:42 AM
I'm sorry, but drug/alcohol addiction aren't the only reason people become homeless. Bad investment choices, schemes, loss of income, illness and even being born into this lifestyle. I'm not sure what could cause homelessness. Perhaps, Uranus in 4th and even Neptune. Transiting Uranus hitting IC or making hard aspects to IC ruler... I don't know, I'm just speculating IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 7987 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
|
posted June 04, 2016 09:47 AM
Only a few (that I'm aware of) do it as an adventure or because they reject society (though for obvious reasons, even those who work with the homeless are unlikely to have much contact with these types, unless these adventurers are just "slumming" so that I wouldn't even call them homeless, but rather something close to tourists & campers, even if they sleep in homeless shelters, which typically means someone genuinely homeless doesn't get sheltered for the night as a result). Those that do often have a way of getting off the streets which they use, probably sooner rather than later. But there are some out there with amazing skill at finding what they need in urban and/or wilderness areas (they may even be more like perpetual campers who drift from campsite to campsite with a tent or vehicle) who find not being tied down by material possessions and obligations liberating. In these rare (or so it seems to me) cases, I could see astrology providing some insight, but I don't see how it could be seen in the chart otherwise save in indirect ways at best, or more as event astrology.As for the rest, there are many reasons that I don't see astrology having much to say about (beyond event). Natural disasters, injuries (such as a car wreck), mental and physical disabilities, those fleeing abuse and domestic violence (ranging from preteens to the elderly, and can be male as well as female), criminal records, even death of a landlord, and quite a few other things can cause someone to end up homeless...and once there, it is often very difficult to get back on one's feet without a hand up (if they've got family they can--and are willing--to go to then they probably get taken in, and I'd hesitate to call them homeless). And economic conditions (and things like health care) vary, as does homelessness, nation to nation (and region to region) which makes me think astrology has little say here. Though private charity & government welfare exists here in the USA (and starving to death is extremely unlikely), it's much harder and longer to get services or help that gets one off the streets than many realize, and they're also limited (and sometimes deeply flawed) resources, and that's not even counting how hard it can be for those who don't have an address or otherwise stable means to stay in touch with these agencies as their requests for aid go through (which can take years, in some cases). As for drugs (legal and otherwise), they're common enough (as they are for people not on the streets), and they can contribute to or even cause homelessness, but plenty don't get into them until after they're homeless (some can be forced on them as well, such as by pimps who abduct women and even underage girls). Furthermore, people who don't have a drug problem (and may not use drugs at all other than prescribed by a doctor--and maybe not even then due to choice or circumstances) can be thought to do so because of injuries that affect their movement and speech, especially if they're taking prescribed medication (in the correct way), so say if someone is in a car accident with minor spinal damage (which could easily make them homeless) then s/he could walk funny, and prescribed medicine and/or pain could affect the speech, and many people (even some who should know better) will wrongly assume "that person is a drug abuser" and even "that person is homeless because s/he's an alcoholic/drug addict." IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 393 From: Registered: Dec 2013
|
posted June 04, 2016 06:15 PM
I don't see any aspects making someone homeless, I hope I don't come off blatant with my comment.IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1478 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
|
posted June 04, 2016 08:57 PM
aquagembaby,It is important to understand that birth chart factors may or may not indicate a person's later life difficulty keeping a roof over their heads, because there are so many ways in which to define 'homeless' and to arrive there. And I agree with Sulkyarcher that no astrological factors "cause" or make someone homeless. Astrological energies are just that -- energies. What we do with them is where the story gets written. Very often I have observed during loss of stable housing transits by Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, or Saturn to the (accurate) natal IC, or through the 4th, or to the natal Moon are taking place. Many people have been hit hard this way by the recent Uranus-Pluto square. I have one such friend and she was a fully educated teacher with a good job from an educated middle class family. That wide amorphous blanket called "drugs" (or alcohol) are not the cause nearly as often as comfy middle classers like to imagine. Pensions can be wiped out as we saw in 2008-09. There are a tiny percentage who are willingly 'houseless' partly because they don't like the socio-economic expectations that come for maintainging hold on such an object. They prefer to live freer, even if at a basic level. They may be urbanites or live far outside urban boundaries. ------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
aquagembaby Knowflake Posts: 486 From: Registered: Jun 2012
|
posted June 04, 2016 10:53 PM
Yeah there's a lot of factors that go into homelessness and by no means do all people have the same story, that's why I was more curious if anybody had any personal experiences with it just so that I can get a small insight.I've been volunteering with the homeless and it's something I'm passionate about so I wondered if certain transits could signify it IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 709 From: right by vancouver, bc, canada Registered: Sep 2012
|
posted June 04, 2016 11:44 PM
yeah I've been homeless a few times IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 709 From: right by vancouver, bc, canada Registered: Sep 2012
|
posted June 04, 2016 11:49 PM
just out of a need for adventurehere in canada its less common to easily lose your entire house to bankruptcy most of the homeless people i met seemed pretty out of it.. drug users.. thats just my experience. everyone knows if they quit the drugs and got a job they could stop being homeless. thats just here in canada. I'm sure its different in the states. but yeah I'm sure things are probably more complicated and they probably have a lot of life issues. i do think some people have more driven charts that can drive them to success or drive them further into the dirt oh when i was homeless just now on the other side of canada, most of them seemed kinda sketchy. but when i was by a homeless shelter and saw the line up, not as much sketchy. i was chilling with the people who slept outside. the ones lining up at the shelter i think they look for work and try to get a job. IP: Logged |
aquagembaby Knowflake Posts: 486 From: Registered: Jun 2012
|
posted June 05, 2016 03:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by soren: just out of a need for adventurehere in canada its less common to easily lose your entire house to bankruptcy most of the homeless people i met seemed pretty out of it.. drug users.. thats just my experience. everyone knows if they quit the drugs and got a job they could stop being homeless. thats just here in canada. I'm sure its different in the states. but yeah I'm sure things are probably more complicated and they probably have a lot of life issues. i do think some people have more driven charts that can drive them to success or drive them further into the dirt oh when i was homeless just now on the other side of canada, most of them seemed kinda sketchy. but when i was by a homeless shelter and saw the line up, not as much sketchy. i was chilling with the people who slept outside. the ones lining up at the shelter i think they look for work and try to get a job.
I'm sorry to hear that and what do you mean by a need for adventure? Yeah it's complicated in the states but that's another thread lol IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 2992 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
|
posted June 05, 2016 05:12 AM
Every case is different and there is no "one glove fits all".Usually homelessness can be caused by external circumstances filtering in-circumstances that cannot be controlled or helped i.e financial crises, death of a loved /dependant or breadwinner. It can also be caused by emotional overwhelment. Either by trauma or other strenous internal triggers that make one disconnected and feel very much "not belonging anywhere". Or a restless , discontented soul. Yes, it can manifest as the absence of the great 4 walls. Something that society recognises as "homelessness". But what about the homelessness that is borne from a troubled emotional state ? Seeking to escape from family or not wanting to be "confined" by the idea of sitting in one place all your life? The emotional state could be in flux already and transits can compound what is already there. And not neccessarily "cause" it. If one has Ruler of the 4th house in the 8th-extreme feelings or conditions sorrounding the home or emotional state. Ruler of the 4th in the 12th -the total dissolvement of security i.e either in the emotional sense or physical. And the accompanying feeling of never being able to go back 8r being unclear of knowing how. Aries on the 4th house cusp- violent or turbulent early home life. Can make the individual not able to settle anywhere. Scorpio on the 4th house cusp-power struggles at home. A very domineering parent that results in the individual wanting to escape the clutches of an overbearing authority figure at home. Neptune conjunct/opposite and square Ic-unstable or complicated home life or emotional state. Mars conjunct/square or opposed the Ic-arguments and turbulence in the home. Tension around the house that makes living conditions unbearable Pluto conjunct/opposition and square the Ic-circumstances around the home or the emotional state that change one inside out. Nothing will be the same again. Saturn conjunct/opposition and square the Ic-usually suggests conditions that were forced and resulted in there being scarcity or less i.e death of a bread winner etc. Uranus conjunct/opposition and square the Ic-sudden chaotic conditions that may cause emotional distress or stress. Moon conjunct/opposition and sqaure Pluto, Neptune, Uranus,Saturn and Mars. An emotional mind that is sensitive and is sensitized to emotional chasms and inner challenges. One responds from emotional cues and may lack objectivity or rationale. Ruler of the 4th challenged by Pluto,Neptune,Uranus,Saturn and Mars. An emotional state that is seldom at ease or stable. Susceptible to wanting periodic changes to compenstate for the inner discord. All all, anyone can feel homeless. Even though many may not be physically homeless. IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 709 From: right by vancouver, bc, canada Registered: Sep 2012
|
posted June 05, 2016 05:22 AM
hmm yes 4th house home relations nice call I've always been connected to the homeless personally. thats what someone said that they just flock around me they are connected. and then i later became homeless. its because i am father of existence
IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 2174 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted June 05, 2016 09:21 AM
Natal Neptune, Pluto or Uranus and sometimes Saturn in the 4th house can make it difficult for someone to hold on to a stable living situation at some time during their lifetime. But it's never just 1 aspect, it's a combination of aspects coming together that will create this. I have also seen that happen with people with the South Node in the 4th house. They go through homelessness episodes, only to emerge victorious at the end by focusing on their career. The film maker and actor Tyler Perry is such an example of a south node in the 4th house who was homeless at some point in his life then achieved considerable success through his 10th house North Node. He also had Pluto, Sun and Uranus in his 4th house. http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Tyler_Perry#hbiographie Again, it's not just one aspect, but a combination of aspects that can create this situation. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 2174 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted June 05, 2016 11:28 AM
I wander what are the differences in terms of the aspects for homelessness and being a refugee. Both are without a home. I have known people who had to leave their home at the drop of a hat to flee political or religious persecution or war, or even natural disaster (earthquakes, fire, Tsunami) and became refugees. In cases like this, I don't think Neptune would be involved with the exception of Tsunami. Most likely Pluto and Uranus would be affecting the chart in some way. IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 5470 From: us Registered: May 2012
|
posted June 05, 2016 01:47 PM
PJ... Great post! When I read over PJ's post, it reminded me of something I had read in Asteroid Goddess book by Demetra George and Dennis Bloch. CERES and the story of Persephone and Pluto! CERES... your aspects, (and with Pluto Ceres?) Her transits through your chart AND the Progressions and connections those make. Right now, she is in 18+ Aries, getting ready to exactly conjunct degree of Uranus-Eris at 23+ degrees week of June 19th? {{btw, I put a + sign after the degree to indicate it's 23 AND whatever minutes. If I were to use 'whole' degrees, it would be in 24 Aries.}} A lot I can say... but I can't today. Gotta go, but wanted to add to the convo from last night. Great thread, Aquagembaby.... And Sulkyarcher, you are fine! Great additional info and comments, to everyone else! IP: Logged |
aquagembaby Knowflake Posts: 486 From: Registered: Jun 2012
|
posted June 05, 2016 02:28 PM
Great posts everyone thanks!Belage: That's interesting about SN. I would have thought NN would make more sense in the 4H b/c NN represents the things that we haven't yet accomplished yet and it's new and scary territory, but SN is what you brought from the past life and it's what your used to? Nobody mentioned 2H - the house of earning potential. Perhaps difficult aspects involving 2H and 4H could be a possibility? IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 2174 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
|
posted June 05, 2016 04:42 PM
^^^ You're right in mentioning the 2nd house. I would expand on it and say that for homelessness purely due to financial situations, the 2nd and 8th houses need to be looked at. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1478 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
|
posted June 05, 2016 08:51 PM
The chart factors and transits would be similar for refugees and foster children.------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 393 From: Registered: Dec 2013
|
posted June 05, 2016 09:10 PM
Although I know I said no one placement has a hand on this situation, I wouldn't be surprised if someone who is homeless has Saturn in the 4th house.IP: Logged |