posted June 16, 2016 06:04 PM            

and almost EVERY strong scorpio influence I know has a "gangster" side to them, or theyr drawn to it. i even knew a guy who was a scorpio and he was apart of the Italian mafia, he would tell me detailed stories of his experiences in Vietnam war and how he went to prison for killing his sisters rapest. scorpio is a huge theme in my family as well, and definitely drawn to gangs and underground powerful connections.

theres a ruthlessness about the sign and planet, it makes sense to me that it would connect to death in this facet too and destruction. this sign truelly has the powers to ascend to the top in the darkest or the brightest way. because on the other end, the most loving and influencial/talented people ive met have also had prominent pluto or scorpio influence.

I feel like its a naturally very mischevious sign/planet lol

posted June 16, 2016 06:24 PM            

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Charles "Lucky" Luciano (pronounced /luːtʃiˈɑːnoʊ/;[1] born Salvatore Lucania[2] November 24, 1897 – January 26, 1962) was a Sicilian-American mobster. Luciano is considered the father of modern organized crime in the United States for the establishment of the first Commission. He was the first official boss of the modern Genovese crime family. He was, along with his associate Meyer Lansky, instrumental in the development of the National Crime Syndicate in the United States.

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http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Lucky_Luciano

Scorpio Uranus conjunct Sag stellium (opposing Lilith); Scorpio Venus.

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Carlo Gambino (August 24, 1902 – October 15, 1976) was an Italian-born American gangster, notable for being boss of the Gambino crime family, which is still named after him.

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* Late Leo or 0 Virgo sun, no Scorpio planets or obvious "red flags" in his chart, though he may have an Aries moon on his SN.

Roy DeMeo

* Killed an estimated 70 people. Virgo sun square Gemini Saturn; Virgo NN square Gemini Uranus. Possible moon-Pluto conjunction in Leo but no Scorpio planets.

Paul Castellano

http://www.harmoniclife.com/sample.aspx?SampleID=285633

* Sun-Pluto-Mercury-Saturn tight stellium in early Cancer, Taurus Mars square Aqua NN which is conjunct Uranus. No Scorpio planets here either, though.

'Can't find their birth times to check if they have 8H planets.

John Gotti

http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/John_Gotti

posted June 16, 2016 06:36 PM            

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Gravano was the highest-ranking member of the Five Families to break his blood oath and cooperate with the government, as well as the second confessed underboss of an American crime family to turn informer. His testimony drew a wave of Cosa Nostra members to also become government witnesses.

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No Scorpio planets for him...it's doubtful a Scorpio would break a blood oath?

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Carmine Persico

Still alive and serving a sentence of 139 years in federal prison.

Leo sun, Libra Mars, possibly forming a yod with his Pisces moon...no Scorpio planets.

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Just one more:

John Franzese

At age 99, "He is currently the oldest federal prisoner in the United States." (wikipedia)

posted June 16, 2016 07:51 PM            

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Originally posted by VirgoPILL:
great thread! more please! ^^

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Okaaayyyyy

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Giuseppe "Joe" Profaci (October 2, 1897 – June 6, 1962) was a New York La Cosa Nostra boss who was the founder of what is today known as the Colombo crime family. Established in 1928, this was the last of the Five Families to be organized. He was the family's boss for over three decades.

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Libra sun trine Gemini Pluto; Libra Mars trine Gemini Neptune which is widely conjunct Pluto (8°).

Scorpio Uranus conjunct Saturn; Scorpio Chiron.

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Giuseppe "the Clutch Hand" Morello (May 2, 1867 – August 15, 1930), also known as "The Old Fox", was the first boss of the Morello crime family and later top adviser to Giuseppe "Joe the Boss" Masseria. He was known as Piddu (Sicilian diminutive form of Giuseppe) and his rivals the Castellammarese knew him as Peter Morello.[1] He was famous for having a one-fingered deformed right hand that resembled a claw.

In the 1890s, Giuseppe founded a gang known as the 107th Street Mob and which would later evolve into the Morello crime family. Today the Morello crime family is known as the Genovese crime family and is the oldest of the Five Families in New York City.

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Sun conjunct Pluto in Taurus; Pluto widely opposing Scorpio Saturn (7°).

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Joseph Charles Bonanno, Sr. (January 18, 1905 – May 11, 2002) was a Sicilian-born American mafioso who became the boss of the Bonanno crime family.

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Scorpio Mars sextile Cap Uranus-Mercury opposing Cancer Neptune (so, Mars trine Neptune). Gemini Moon conjunct Pluto, more or less (birth time unknown).

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Thomas Lucchese (pronounced [lukˈkeːse]; born Gaetano Lucchese, December 1, 1899 – July 13, 1967) was a Sicilian-born American gangster and founding member of the Mafia in the United States, an offshoot of the Cosa Nostra in Sicily. From 1951 until 1967, he was the boss of the Lucchese crime family, one of the Five Families that dominates organized crime in New York City.

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Wow you gotta see this chart!

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posted June 16, 2016 08:33 PM            

As for signs, Scorpio is said to make the most diabolical criminals, but also the best detectives to take them out. 'Course any type of power can suit Scorpio (unfortunately, it appeals to the less evolved ones the most), be it corporate, political, police, or criminal (and these are all more alike and interlinked--including knowingly with bribes and favors flowing both ways between the power players on both sides of the law to each other, and some laws are pushed to aid organize crime against competitors as well as to keep it profitable--than many people realize, and also see Pirates & Emperors ).

To rise up and be of importance is to take on obligations that are burdensome regardless of which side of the law you're on, and it's no surprise to me that many successful criminal syndicates went legite once their legal enterprises (used to launder money and as fronts, means to get at restricted materials and delivery services, etc, and may have come about by providing "loans" to others to start them--and it's not unknown to take over a corporate board, but offhand I don't recall the name of that shady practice) become big enough moneymakers in of themselves.