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Unmoved
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posted August 24, 2010 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.celticspread.com/content/solar-arc-aspects-secret-crushes-illicit-relationships

Many people ask questions on possibilities of relationships with astrology but the fact is we can do far more than that. In this note I am going to show you the astrological aspects associated to our title here and I will give you some technical hints on how you can check them for yourselves. For more detailed astrological guidances on relationships reading in general, you may also refer to my "How to Read Love Relationships with Natal Astrology?" series.
Illicit Relationships

Illicit relationships can most easily be seen with a Solar Arc Neptune conjoins/opposes/squares Sun (SA Neptune=Sun, see "Learn Solar Arcs & Make Them Practical on Your Horoscope Readings" for this notation). These relationships do not have to be illegal, but they will in some way violate some moral standards or codes that we have imbued on ourselves. One of my clients started a relationship with a girl at the time when SA Neptune=Sun. The girl was at that time his best friend's girlfriend and this definitely violated some kind of implicit moral codes that my client had in mind.

Secret Crushes

These happen when Solar Arc Mars conjoins/opposes/squares Venus (SA Mars=Venus). With Solar Arcs Mars applying to Venus we could sense a drive or excitement of some kind being apply to things that are Venusian, which most prominently includes love and sexuality. Another client of mine developed a strong crush over a boy with great impulsive drives and yet the relationship never materialized.

I do not rule out the possibility that these drives could turn out to become true romances, but the more classical aspect for romance would be Solar Arcs aspects of Venus to and from Angles or the Sun. (See "Learn Solar Arcs & Make Them Practical on Your Horoscope Readings" and the "How to Read Love Relationships with Natal Astrology?" series.)

Secret Fantasies

These happen when Solar Arc Venus conjoins/opposes/squares Mars. Same planets involved in the Solar Arc aspect as above but with Venus applying to Mars this time, we would expect something similar with a milder effect. In general, this aspect stands for feelings of love and things related to creativity and/or sexuality. In my observation this Solar Arc aspect quite often stands for secret fantasies. This feeling is often so private that I could not even learn of this manifestation if not because I have established closer relationships with several of my clients who are willing to share with me the effects of this aspect.

Check Them for Yourselves!

In my "4 Points to Note on Using Solar Arcs" I have mentioned that you would need an astrology software for using Solar Arcs in general. However, just for fun, for the three Solar Arc pictures I mentioned above it will be fine as long as you have a horoscope of yourself with you and you do not even need to have any astrology software at all for this. With a "One Day for One Year" symbolism with the Sun, you could follow my guidance on "Approximating Important Solar Arcs on a Horoscope" and estimate the time when the effects of these aspects take place in time. For instance, if your natal Mars is positioned at 3 Libra while natal Venus is positioned at 21 Libra or 21 Capricorn, you could estimate that a secret crush or simply some strong drives related to sexuality would happen at the age of 18 when Solar Arc Mars will be conjoining/squaring natal Venus at that moment of time.

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posted August 24, 2010 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I met someone very special when my Solar Arc Mars was exactly conjunct my 7th house Cusp.

My Solar Arc Venus will conjunct my natal Sun at 24; the year I will supposedly give birth. Can't wait to see!

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posted August 24, 2010 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
raspberri

More info:

In the following series of notes, I am going to share with you my answers to the question "How to Read Love Relationships with Natal Astrology?" So often I was asked by my friends whether it is possible they build up love relationships with some one and whether some of their existing relationships are going to last.

The fact is there are infinite combinations of astrology signals that could indicate love relationships on a natal chart, when doing a reading it will take us a little creativity to see through the combinations of astrological signals that are unique to our friends asking the question.

In this first note, I am going to give a list of astrological signals that are highly likely to indicate the beginning of love relationships. This includes the followings:
(1) Solar Arc Venus conjuncts/opposes/squares Sun;
(2) Solar Arc Venus conjuncts/opposes/squares Ascendant;
(3) Solar Arc Venus conjuncts/opposes/squares Midheaven;
(4) Solar Arc Sun conjuncts/opposes/squares Venus;
(5) Solar Arc Venus conjuncts/opposes/squares 7th House Ruler;

There are some points to note with these five astrological signals however.

Firstly, before concluding that a love relationship is going to take place in a person's life as we spot these aspects in a person's chart, we have to make a reality check to see if love relationship is possible in this time of the person's life. For instance, for a child under age 6 it is not likely that the child is going to have love relationship with others, so how will these astrological potentials manifest? Could it be the potential extra parental love or meeting more friends? And specifically, say Solar Arc Venus conjunct Sun when Sun rules 3rd, could it be the birth of a new sibling? We have to judge these case-wise and our judgment power comes from our practices and experiences and there are no solid rules on what will happen for a particular aspect. The point is, the five astrological signals in these cases might not be suggestive of love relationship in its simplistic sense and we have to beware of that.

Secondly, the five astrological signals in the list could actually indicate the end of love relationships in extreme cases. This is not totally incomprehensible. As we are deeply engaged in relationships how often do we feel that we cannot live without our soul mates and we do whatever to keep our mates close to us? The case is we often end up being too demanding and over-doing things, like calling our mates too frequently, being over-sensitive to things said by our mates unintentionally and our hot passions at these times to develop these love relationships have actually become the very reason why our soul mates are leaving us. This is a critical point to note.

In my experience, 70% of the time these five astrological signals do suggest the beginning of love relationships, 20% of time the potential went unnoticed while 10% of time these love relationships went astray. Exactly how these potential would manifest in any individual are subjected to our case-wise judgment and in the next few notes I will try and give some case studies to enhance your understanding on this matter.
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posted August 24, 2010 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Izo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. It does seem to have some truth in it...

My only illicit relationship was with the Bull, the crush of my best friend. I had SA Neptune square Mercury (ruler of the 5th) and later on conjunct Asc.

As for Mars conjunct Venus... I had the Solar Arc aspect at 20, when I lost my virginity (seems apropriate), but that was a happy time for my romantic life, and I just had it again this year by progression. Secret crush for a coworker.

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posted August 24, 2010 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent to hear that it rings true. It will help when I sit with charts and see what's going on in my life.

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posted August 24, 2010 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to have to look into this... I have a lot of Secondary Progression coming into play within the next 12 months in the romantic area but never been able to find a pattern with SA. Would love to see something!

Thanks for this great article

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posted August 24, 2010 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh food for analysis! Thank you, Unmoved.

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posted August 24, 2010 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, it's my pleasure huns.

Yeah, guys, go look and report what you find, if you wish (I wish you wish ).

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Uh, I've only had one illicit affair, and SA Neptune made no aspect to my natal Sun or SA Sun. In fact, it made no aspects to any other planet.

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posted August 24, 2010 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would have expected SA Neptune rather aspecting Venus or 7th house ruler, or even the ruler of 12th house conjunct 7th house ruler or Venus (or even Sun).

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posted August 24, 2010 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I put the rules below to my chart (and also used 45 and 135 degrees too)

Venus = MC - June 04 (wasn't in a relationship- no where close to one)
Venus = Sun - won't be until Feb 2017
Neptune = Sun/Moon Midpoint - Jan 2010 (nothing happened)

I'm not liking this method... lol.

EDIT: But I do have Venus = Saturn Jan 2011 (Saturn ruler of my 8th, Venus ruler of 5th)... so, we'll see.

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posted August 24, 2010 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PROGRESSIONS work too!

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posted August 24, 2010 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One aspect is not enough. We must look at supporting evidence too, for example: transits which also set off the particular solar arc, maybe progressions too. And yes, if you didn't meet anyone in particular during that period, the solar arc and transit will not be valid (or an indicator). It is like me doing a synastry with Leonardo DiCaprio. I have never met him, so no matter how great our synastry might be, it doesn't matter. There must be fertile ground for a plant to grow, similarly there must be circumstances allowing for aspects to produce something in reality.

But, with that said, maybe these methods aren't valid. I would like to test it out though.

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posted August 24, 2010 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So true Unmoved. Transits and Progressions plus the Natal all have to be the pieces to the love puzzle.

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posted August 24, 2010 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I disagree - slightly, Unmoved,

if you ever met Leo, your synastry would be very valid, just like everyone else`s.

But the question is will you meet him?

Apart from that I completely agree.

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posted August 24, 2010 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aahhh, yes....

a good point you have raised.

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posted August 24, 2010 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This makes me wonder, why are some meetings more destined than others?

Is it meant to be, or is it because of the way the planets were aligned that we have no choice in the matter?

What I mean is, is the meeting really destined, or is the love energy ignitied because the energy simply needed to act out on someone?

For example when I met someone he had P Venus conjunct Natal Sun on my Natal ASC and abunch of other aspects in the Transits, Progressions, Solar Arc, etc..

But what does it all mean? Is it just a coincidence?

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posted August 24, 2010 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah, it's the chicken and the egg phenomenon for me too. I can't get to grips with the notion that a chart can tell that two people shall meet or not, but why shouldn't it?

DD has spoken about this topic for years and I wonder if she came to a conclusion... Personally, I don't think one can tell whether two people will meet via a chart, but this "opinion" is based on intuition, not anything valid or mathematical (astrological).

So...

I think this question can only be answered philosophically, in my eyes.

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posted August 25, 2010 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope. haven`t come to a conclusion, which is source of endless frustration to me and fuelling my restless search for an answer that maybe does not exist. Though on the way I stumble across other intersting things, so I guess it is the way that counts in this case.

Anyway, the stars only show the "meshing" of your energetic matrices, how you respond to it I can`t say.
Maybe there is a way to astrologically figure it out, but if there is, I haven`t found it. Yet.

I am not sure astrological charts show destiny on a greater scale, that you are destined to meet for example.

I mean I can have the neatest synastry with a long dead person.
Most probably I am not going to meet them in this life, at least not on the physical plane, though I believe that spiritual connections sometimes expand the physical. But that would lead into a different direction of philosophizing for now.

YET the synastry will be valid, maybe even in terms of me being touched by his work.
I will maybe - subtly- feel the meshing of energies, I will experience the synastry, subtly, though he of course won`t.

Same can be said for Unmoved and Leo.
She will feel - part of- synastry with Leo, but unless they meet he probably won`t.
Unless he pays her an astral visit maybe. Unmoved? Are you keeping something from us?

But the moment two people relaly meet, something seems to happen, sometimes the very moment their eyes meet. At least I experienced it this way several times.
It was like the two energies really meshed, and something shifted. I donīt know how to explain it. Maybe it is the birth of mutual synastry I don`t know.

But if you WILL meet, no idea.
Though progressed synastry can give you a frame of "opportunities". Cause it is up to you and destiny (outside of astrology) if something will come out of this opportunity.

Maybe astrology isn`t so much about prognosing things (though this is how it came into play in earlier times, for prognoses), but about describing the interplay of energies.

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I checked my solar arc aspects when I cheated on my boyfriend in Germany and what do you know?

I had SA NEPTUNE=SUN in 2003

I have the same aspect applying right now but it is SA SUN=NEPTUNE

No I'm not cheating right now though. I don't even have a proper relationship.

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SA Pluto=ASc, SA Pluto=MC (Transformation, Possible Relocations)
SA Pluto=Saturn (Big Shift, Loss, Self-destruction)
SA Pluto=Jupiter (Empowerment, Resourcefulness, Leadership, Laws)
SA Pluto=Mars (Excessive Forces, Extreme Efforts Trying to Make Things Happen)
SA Pluto=Venus (Time of Sexual Awareness)
SA Neptune=ASc, SA Neptune=MC (Confusion, Creativity, Changes)
SA Neptune=Sun (Illicit Relationships)
SA Uranus=ASc, SA Uranus=MC (Upheaval, Changes, Possible Relocations)
SA Saturn=ASc (Inhibition, Suppression, Sickness)
SA Saturn=MC (Job Dilemma/Crisis, Pass Away of Members in the Extended Family)
SA ASc=Saturn (Maturation, Grow-up Time)
SA MC=Saturn (Break-up in Home, Possible Relocations)
SA Asc=Jupiter (Rewards on a More Personal Level)
SA MC=Jupiter (Great Reward, Success, Recoginition)
SA Jupiter=Uranus (Big Break in Career, A Change to Something Good)
SA Jupiter=Saturn (Patience Paid-off, Things Going Well)
SA Jupiter=Mercury (Rewarding Communications)
SA Jupiter=Moon (Time of Great Relationship)
SA Mars=Venus (Secret Crushes, Impulsive Sex Drives)
SA Venus=ASc, SA Venus=MC (Romance)
SA Venus=Mars (Secret Fantasies, Sexuality)

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OK 2003 to 2004 was the year I had a transit from Uranus to Venus in my 12th house..

I was crazy that year!! Literally CRAZY..

I would love to explain it and tell you how bad I was but Venus in natal 12th triggered by a Uranus transit should explain it all.

SA NEPTUNE=SUN
SA VENUS=MARS

SA URANUS=MOON
SA SUN=MARS
SA NEPTUNE=ASC

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posted August 25, 2010 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD - Always so eloquent. I agree with your points and Leo and I... well, yes I have had a lo of dreams of him. The last one I had he blew me off and said that he was married.

Belgz - dish girl. Don't hold out. and thanks for the interpretations.

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posted August 25, 2010 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jeez, Unmoved, what an .....!
I gotta have a SERIOUS talk with him next time he comes into MY dreams.
Well, surprisingly he never does.

But I still remember when I saw him for the first time, my instant thought was: "He`s my brother." lol

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posted August 25, 2010 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All this talk about dreams!

I had a dream about Brad Pitt one time when he was still married to Jennifer Aniston..

In the dream he was going to cheat on her with ME! But it turns out that was Angelina

Still kinda creepy...

Also, I believe in Destiny now, because of how deeply I fell in love with someone when we met, and I do believe astrology has shown this meeting when we were both born. There are just too many hard core matching aspects between himself and I that it must have been destiny...

Maybe I can share some of my findings and interpret them

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