posted December 04, 2018 08:52 PM            

The stereotypical Capricorn is serious and mature, but that is a shallow reading and I have seen opposite behavior in many cappies especially men or younger men.

posted December 04, 2018 11:55 PM            

The subsequent square of Mars to Sun/Mercury could make him very argumentive & defensive. As he attaches a lot of ego into what he says. So if you disagree with his opinion, he is likely not be objective.

Sun in Gemini and more especially Sun in 3rd/Leo in 3rd house cusp tends to do this.

How is North node in mutual reception with Saturn though? What I see is Venus in Aqua in a possible reception with Saturn in Pisces.

I say "possible" here because Saturn is traditional ruler of Aqua and Venus is the exalted placement for Pisces.

So the interaction would make him a lot more closed off and cynical to love than would otherwise be suggested by the Venus/Jupiter opp.

Yes the opposition of Jupiter and Leo makes him outwardly more flirtatious. It seems that he has confidence for days (Jupiter). And this would make him attractive.

But he is not as sincere as suggested and may diversify his lovers to "avoid" connection and a subsequent broken heart/too much emotional dependence on one person.

He is actually quite cautious to the point of being cynical -due to the Venus & Saturn interaction. And that guarantees single-hood until he finds a mature partner who can really understand him.

There is Pluto/Uranus conj opp Chiron/Saturn conj. And I think its worth exploring. As I don't have much information on it. But I will speculate.

Chiron/Saturn conj suggests pain(Chiron) associated with an authority(Saturn) or limitation of some sort that was imposed on him.

Whilst the Uranus/Pluto conjunction would suggest that there is powerful(Pluto) rebellion(Uranus) towards any kind of authority or perceived limitation perhaps?(opp Saturn).

posted December 05, 2018 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

He is actually quite cautious to the point of being cynical -due to the Venus & Saturn interaction. And that guarantees single-hood until he finds a mature partner who can really understand him.

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posted December 05, 2018 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think he could remind you of Gemini because of his Sun/Mercury conjunction.

The subsequent square of Mars to Sun/Mercury could make him very argumentive & defensive. As he attaches a lot of ego into what he says. So if you disagree with his opinion, he is likely not be objective.

Sun in Gemini and more especially Sun in 3rd/Leo in 3rd house cusp tends to do this.

How is North node in mutual reception with Saturn though? What I see is Venus in Aqua in a possible reception with Saturn in Pisces.

I say "possible" here because Saturn is traditional ruler of Aqua and Venus is the exalted placement for Pisces.

So the interaction would make him a lot more closed off and cynical to love than would otherwise be suggested by the Venus/Jupiter opp.

Yes the opposition of Jupiter and Leo makes him outwardly more flirtatious. It seems that he has confidence for days (Jupiter). And this would make him attractive.

But he is not as sincere as suggested and may diversify his lovers to "avoid" connection and a subsequent broken heart/too much emotional dependence on one person.

He is actually quite cautious to the point of being cynical -due to the Venus & Saturn interaction. And that guarantees single-hood until he finds a mature partner who can really understand him.

There is Pluto/Uranus conj opp Chiron/Saturn conj. And I think its worth exploring. As I don't have much information on it. But I will speculate.

Chiron/Saturn conj suggests pain(Chiron) associated with an authority(Saturn) or limitation of some sort that was imposed on him.

Whilst the Uranus/Pluto conjunction would suggest that there is powerful(Pluto) rebellion(Uranus) towards any kind of authority or perceived limitation perhaps?(opp Saturn).

This adds a strong maverick streak to the personality that bucks authority-contradictin much of what is thought of with a Sun in Cap "type".

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Just to add he is over 50 years old if that adds any important information. In terms of the mars and being disagreeable, he actually comes across as being very sweet and nice. I don't know him super well, but well enough to see if he is argumentative or not. Of course, this trait might come out more around people who know him better. I can feel the libra energy from his mars very well. He is foreward and sometimes inappropriately flirty but he still makes sure he is nice and always offers help. A lot of people who have mars square their personal planets tend to be very argumentative (I know a few) but he is actually the first person with these placements that I came across who is not so it is very interesting.

Oh and I meant saturn and venus in mutual reception, not north node

posted December 05, 2018 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by sleepthan:
To be honest, what you describe is the behavior I would expect by looking at this person's chart.

The stereotypical Capricorn is serious and mature, but that is a shallow reading and I have seen opposite behavior in many cappies especially men or younger men.

But on to the actual explanation: The way his mars in libra (read: flighty!) is sitting squared to those three planets in Capricorn is a very major aspect of the chart. It creates a lot of tension and really exacerbates that mars. There is just a weird, super tense energy on the right side between his earth sign planets and his venus and mars in air signs. It creates a lot of restlessness within the mind. The lone pluto in 0 degrees leo opposite his venus in aquarius, too... "very flirty", "not very loyal in relationships", and "adrenaline junkie" seem about right to me with that placement.
Don't just think about what signs his personal planets are in, try to look at the birth chart as a whole and it will make a lot more sense

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posted December 05, 2018 02:26 AM            

The person you are asking about is, by looking at chart, a mess. Especially at that age. Not his fault. Having squares from an air sign to earth, in a deep water house nonetheless, cannot be easy..and Gemini is what Gemini will be..

Another example of someone I know, and don’t like:

posted December 05, 2018 02:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Would the semi-sextile result in such as well? Say if the aspect is nearly exact.

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Is used to ignore minor aspects. But not anymore. So I would say "yes" if there is already a relationship between the two planets via mutual reception or a mutual trine aspect to a "go between" planet.

With this I mean if Venus semi-sextile Saturn. But say Venus trines Mars and Mars square Saturn or something.

So the two have a relationship via the mutual planet.

I do think the semi-sextile aspect may be weaker without such connections already in place? I could be wrong ofcourse.

posted December 05, 2018 04:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Is used to ignore minor aspects. But not anymore. So I would say "yes" if there is already a relationship between the two planets via mutual reception or a mutual trine aspect to a "go between" planet.

With this I mean if Venus semi-sextile Saturn. But say Venus trines Mars and Mars square Saturn or something.

So the two have a relationship via the mutual planet.

I do think the semi-sextile aspect may be weaker without such connections already in place? I could be wrong ofcourse.

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Interesting point. (never sure whether or not to include these minor aspects)

What would you think if those aspects are out of sign and at a rather wide orb?

(Off topic but question)
If ones' Venus (25 Aries) and Saturn (25 Pisces) semi-sextile. Moon (4 Leo) square Venus out of sign. And Moon also trine Saturn out of sign.

posted December 05, 2018 04:24 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
You’d never guess I was a Cancer unless I told you. You’d think, by looking at my chart, that I’m VERY Cancerian but I’m not. My Cancer stallium is heavily offset by house placement (11H) and aspects to Uranus and Saturn. My Moon is in 5H and I have a Leo Asc conj Mars in Virgo so I am explosive, forward and fiery.
I’m not into “family”, cooking, security or anything that the “books” say a Cancer should be. I’m a loner, independent and I don’t like to set roots. I also don’t like being too personable with my family as it creates more interest, more questions and more irritation; from me.

The person you are asking about is, by looking at chart, a mess. Especially at that age. Not his fault. Having squares from an air sign to earth, in a deep water house nonetheless, cannot be easy..and Gemini is what Gemini will be..

Another example of someone I know, and don’t like:

12H Cancer Asc+Cancer Moon+Cancer Venus. This persons OUGHT TO BE very Cancer but, she has squares to Aries Mars and is a total mess as well. That Mars overshadows all her Cancer. She tries to control it by being “fake nice” but she can’t because she is what she is.

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posted December 05, 2018 04:41 AM            

Small theme I noted with Cappie heavy, is they put on a persona to protect their true self. Like a "performer's act"

posted December 05, 2018 10:11 AM            

Flirtyness, restlessness etc "can" be that moon-mars.
Venus-uranus aspect jumps out to me too. I may be wrong but I have noticed venus-uranus guys can be such flirts. Ok bare with me, but I think its because, uranus is so "accepting" and venus-uranus are very accepting of all types of people and dore not discriminate much. They are open to all types of people, often. So they can be super friendly= flirty, depending on the chart!

Then after flirting, they often don't know what to do with one, buts thats an other question haha

posted December 05, 2018 11:58 AM            

I'm curious given this, by Venus being his chart ruler sitting in his seventh, minor aspected by Saturn in the sixth, if the concept of a more mature partner would apply here.

Ruler of the 1st house in the 7th(Venus). Venus is in its own house here and this is accidental dignity. So Venus in 7th wants ROMANCE.

Now the exact semi-sextile Saturn aspect I think is powerful. In that the person will choose very carefully whom they settle with because Of their high ideals for a romantic marriage.

Interestingly, Mars rules the 7th. This suggests an impulsive nature when it comes to coupling.

And the Venus in that house suggests (as earlier said), the need for a fairytale.

So the Venus/Mars interplay here is worth mentioning. But with the "minor" exact aspect from Saturn, "true love"& fairytale endings take on a more serious bent.

It may not be as stringent or as heavy as say Ven-Sat square/conj or opp. Where the native comes to the relationship with cynicism. As Saturn-Venus conjunct is serious from the get-go.

posted December 06, 2018 12:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brenda_S:
[b] Interesting point. (never sure whether or not to include these minor aspects)

What would you think if those aspects are out of sign and at a rather wide orb?

(Off topic but question)
If ones' Venus (25 Aries) and Saturn (25 Pisces) semi-sextile. Moon (4 Leo) square Venus out of sign. And Moon also trine Saturn out of sign.

I'm curious given this, by Venus being his chart ruler sitting in his seventh, minor aspected by Saturn in the sixth, if the concept of a more mature partner would apply here.

Ruler of the 1st house in the 7th(Venus). Venus is in its own house here and this is accidental dignity. So Venus in 7th wants ROMANCE.

Now the exact semi-sextile Saturn aspect I think is powerful. In that the person will choose very carefully whom they settle with because Of their high ideals for a romantic marriage.

Interestingly, Mars rules the 7th. This suggests an impulsive nature when it comes to coupling.

And the Venus in that house suggests (as earlier said), the need for a fairytale.

So the Venus/Mars interplay here is worth mentioning. But with the "minor" exact aspect from Saturn, "true love"& fairytale endings take on a more serious bent.

It may not be as stringent or as heavy as say Ven-Sat square/conj or opp. Where the native comes to the relationship with cynicism. As Saturn-Venus conjunct is serious from the get-go.

But here (semi-sextile Venus/Saturn)I suspect an easy going approach initially in coupling. But when things get to be progressively more serious, so does the native.[/B]

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I like your interpretation. He 'implyingly stated' that he's particular with who he ends up with. Which I found confusing a bit due to his Venus in Aries, such people as you stated fall fast and hard or so they say. Thought perhaps it's his Neptune influences, which probably just adds to that fairytale they're hoping for.

Based on what you said, would the quincunx (1 orb) aspect hold true as well? For myself, I don't give too many individuals chances if I don't feel it from the get go. Not sure what causes it though, felt at first it was my Aries Mercury ruling my chart I'm too quick to decide.
My Venus though rules my fifth and sits in my first. And I feel a lot about what you said about the Saturn in semi-sextile to Venus is true for myself as well. Wondering if semi-sextile would be similar to the quincunx in this case? With these Venus placements I just mentioned.

posted December 06, 2018 04:58 PM            

- Sun & Mercury square Mars in Libra. The Sun-Mars aspect lends to the notion of 'adrenaline junkie' with the impulses of Mars accented in hard aspect with Sun. With Mercury in this configuration even more so; the nervous system is restless and hard to turn off, rest.

- Sun trine Pluto & Uranus. Even though this is not a hard aspect, it is one that implies he enjoys freedom, excitement, variety, and isn't shy about non-routine experiences.

- Asc in mid-Gemini trine Mars, square Pluto (Asc could actually be also a bit further, thus square Uranus). Asc in Gemini trine Mars shows a flower of physical/mental energies that comes easily; square Pluto creates a personality/body orientation that is alternating with varying intensities of expression. If Asc is square Uranus too, even more so.

- Asc 22N42 is contra-parallel Sun 22S06 (if Asc in eary/mid-Gemini is accurate). Asc contra-parallel Sun is a personality that projects their will power outwardly, rather than conserving it. They desire experience and recognition.

Capricorn types and Moon in Capricorn people express 'earthy' in different ways. Some try to elevate themselves in society through work. Others who have higher energy levels (as this man apparently does) and who are more outgoing may be very body-oriented persons. Earth means material, which can be bodily experience, bodily awareness, and can also be material accomplishments of a more conventional sort. Someone with Uranus conjunct Pluto and in aspect with their Sun is not likely to be oriented entirely towards a conservative, material existence.

Lastly, Venus 20S29 is both contra-parallel and opposite Jupiter 20N39. So that aspect is stronger than it might appear in the opposition between sign of Aquarius and Leo respectively. This relates to some of his social nature, flirting, etc, especially when added to Gemini rising.

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posted December 08, 2018 05:54 PM            

It depends on how you're interpreting a "typical" Capricorn.

Now, I tend to agree that the other aspects of the chart that others are mentioning are probably the most important. However, there is a tendency in modern astrology to focus on Capricorn as "the goat" - strong-willed, sensible, unemotional and... well... boring.

But the truth is Capricorn is a Sea-Goat. That fishy tail means something and should not be forgotten. It's often hidden by Caps but it exists. It's our sensual, emotive, mystical side. It's the "hidden waters" beneath our outward earth.

It's worth remembering that Capricorn also rules Saturnalia - the ancient festival in which everything was done to excess! Capricorn is Pan, Dionysus' party partner-in-crime. I think its telling that - in the UK - Rave culture (basically, huge, spontaneous, drug-fueled all-night parties in the countryside - think Burning Man on a local level, happening every other week) took off whilst both Uranus and Neptune were in Capricorn. Elvis, David Bowie and Rod Stewart were/are Capricorns.

posted December 08, 2018 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Capguy75:

if they're going to party then they're *seriously* going to party.

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You all appear serious but are secretly huge freaks , at least the guys...lol Although the two caps at my job giggle a lot, one has venus in my pisces and was a gymnist when she was younger and has gone sky diving and the other has venus in sag and giggles a lot.

But capricorn associated with excess that is just not the case, this sign has a lot of self control and restrain bc is like caps tend to have a hyperawareness of consequences bc they are ruled by saturn and they innately dont want to test their luck like with their health and the law typically..

But I agree there are wild caps or caps with a wild sensual side like the last guy I hooked up with, with mars in Taurus opposite pluto, Moon in Sag, and Venus in Aquarius..

Now Elvis has moon in pisces with sag rising like me giving him a more dreammy feel and making him more laid back. Now his wild side perhaps is that Sun/mercury/venus in capricorn stellium opposing pluto and completing a tsquare with Uranus in the 5th! I bet he was kinky with that tsquare involving Uranus in the 5th at the apex , good times!