posted December 27, 2018 10:41 AM            

The addiction is usually one that at first starts just below the threshold of consciousness. And then before they know it, it's perpetuated out of control.

Smoking for instance may start off as something they did in social settings to fit in. But then it escalates into full blown addictions for years thereafter.

posted December 27, 2018 10:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Mars/Neptune or Mars in Pisces can at worst, have a predisposition to addictions or spending their energy to further some addiction.

The addiction is usually one that at first starts just below the threshold of consciousness. And then before they know it, it's perpetuated out of control.

Smoking for instance may start off as something they did in social settings to fit in. But then it escalates into full blown addictions for years thereafter.

It gets to a point where one will aggressively pursue it or aggressively defend it I.e.somebody breaks into a store after they have closed to get a pack of cigarettes. Then they leave the money on counter with a note reading; " Sorry about the window. I really needed them."

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posted December 27, 2018 12:41 PM            

i started drinking at 13, pills at 15 (if you count **** like nitrous or other meds my drug use started younger, i dont really count it personally even though it technically counts)

i smoke weed every day, and take recreational acid and shrooms, and drink, open to trying everything i havent tried except meth (im just not big on uppers, coke is a waste except for hangovers adderall just makes it so i dont have songs stuck in my head etc)

don't touch hard **** anymore but i was physically addicted to heroin at one point, pcp at another

i've mixed all kinds of **** , used to be a big fan of adding muscle relaxers in with drinks and opiates and benzos etc

just anything around really, i'm not picky

posted December 27, 2018 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:
I have Mars in Pisces which is also square Neptune (although a quite wide square).
I used to smoke for years but stopped one day , because it suddenly made me feel sick. Never felt the urge to smoke again in my life after that. I tend to react quite strongly and unpredictably to weed and alcohol so I don't use either of them (expect alcohol maybe twice a year). This also prevents me from trying out other drugs because there's high possibility of me going crazy on them. Especially with hallucinogens and the likes. I already have had experiences without drugs that other people need drugs for (like once when I felt this absolute all encompassing love) so I never felt that I was missing out on something.

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i've had vivid meditation experiences that put lsd to shame, but that's just one way to alter perception i like as many as possible all at once

posted December 27, 2018 01:36 PM            

The person with this aspect is just as likely to have allergies or chemical sensitivity that prevents them from using drugs in an excessive or inappropriate way.

This aspect show a sensitivity that to some degree inhibits (or second guesses) personal action, skews or sabotages motivations; at the very least a wild imagination that needs a creative outlet or focus on mutual dream realization with others.

Mars = action, Neptune = imagination; in the opposition there is a relational dynamic and this can mean a sense of lack, lack of strength to deal with things directly so that the person is evasive rather than direct or takes action in their mind as fantasy but doesn't follow through so easily. Can be great for creative people if well integrated and balanced.

And let's not jump immediately Neptune > drugs > addiction. That's not really looking at astrological factors that first filter through consciousness before getting to the behavior. It too quickly sticks astro-labels on people because of one aspect. People have different early lives and they have choices.

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posted December 27, 2018 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The majority of people who have this aspect who actually are into taking substances that alter or numb consciousness will be into alcohol or Rx drugs, because those are most easily available and represent the least risk.

The person with this aspect is just as likely to have allergies or chemical sensitivity that prevents them from using drugs in an excessive or inappropriate way.

This aspect show a sensitivity that to some degree inhibits (or second guesses) personal action, skews or sabotages motivations; at the very least a wild imagination that needs a creative outlet or focus on mutual dream realization with others.

Mars = action, Neptune = imagination; in the opposition there is a relational dynamic and this can mean a sense of lack, lack of strength to deal with things directly so that the person is evasive rather than direct or takes action in their mind as fantasy but doesn't follow through so easily. Can be great for creative people if well integrated and balanced.

And let's not jump immediately Neptune > drugs > addiction. That's not really looking at astrological factors that first filter through consciousness before getting to the behavior. It too quickly sticks astro-labels on people because of one aspect. People have different early lives and they have choices.

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well yeah it's a lot deeper than all that, state of venus as well, same with mercury

it all being neptune and pisces wouldn't really make much sense because everyone with those aspects has different outlets

though i'd argue one result of the influence on a chart doesnt cancel out others, potential is part of it

edit: state of the sun too

i know a lot of the aspects for heavy drug use because i was curious and looked for it in my own chart because my history with drugs extends a lot further back than me ever learning about astrology

you want to look for impulsivity, escapism, creativity, addictive behavior, possible abuse or exposure to that sort of thing etc and so on jupiter is a good indicator too

there's a lot of indicators and any extreme cases of anything will usually have many

that being said i know people who use on the level i have or to a lesser extent who have that opposition

but there's always other indicators

also look for an outlet, anything hard to something easy or pleasurable will be where the person puts their energy

my sun being square saturn and trine neptune is a good example of that

posted December 27, 2018 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The majority of people who have this aspect who actually are into taking substances that alter or numb consciousness will be into alcohol or Rx drugs, because those are most easily available and represent the least risk.

The person with this aspect is just as likely to have allergies or chemical sensitivity that prevents them from using drugs in an excessive or inappropriate way.

This aspect show a sensitivity that to some degree inhibits (or second guesses) personal action, skews or sabotages motivations; at the very least a wild imagination that needs a creative outlet or focus on mutual dream realization with others.

Mars = action, Neptune = imagination; in the opposition there is a relational dynamic and this can mean a sense of lack, lack of strength to deal with things directly so that the person is evasive rather than direct or takes action in their mind as fantasy but doesn't follow through so easily. Can be great for creative people if well integrated and balanced.

And let's not jump immediately Neptune > drugs > addiction. That's not really looking at astrological factors that first filter through consciousness before getting to the behavior. It too quickly sticks astro-labels on people because of one aspect. People have different early lives and they have choices.

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posted December 27, 2018 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i've had vivid meditation experiences that put lsd to shame, but that's just one way to alter perception i like as many as possible all at once

that being said if you have a hard time with weed or alcohol some drugs probably would suck for you, but shrooms in the right setting is more introspective than anything

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posted December 27, 2018 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:
my enlightment experience came spontaneously after I had a light bulb moment. It also came in the midst of the beginning of my big crisis (typical moon sq Pluto). I'm too much of a hyper person to meditate although I'm sure it's beneficial.
I did hear a lot of good things about shrooms. Glad you didn't get stuck on heroin !

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oh for me i always had lucid dreams, shared dreams, dreams that came true etc and eventually that spiraled into weird deja vu during a vacation to rome

i wrote it off

few years later i had this pcp blackout on my 22nd birthday, came out of it and i was in the middle of having sex with my fiancee and afterwards i was bothered by it because i had been freaking out before that over deja vu, then it was like void meditation, but i was clearly still there physically not at all mentally

autowrote a lot of **** i thought was crazy, ripped it up

a few years later things i wrote happened, learned third eye meditation and had a lot of experiences through an ex and that led me to all this and i started studying astrology looking for answers or someone else who might know other things

but meditation is a skill like any other you get good

my most vivid meditation experience was as vivid as me writing this right now

i was just as aware, it felt the same

i was surrounded by deer (deer are a constant thing for me since opening my 3rf eye) stags, does, fawns

in a half circle around me, one of the stags stepped forward, they all bowed down i touched its antler

and i could feel it underneath my fingertips

never knew what to make of it aside from it being a unique experience completely unrelated to drugs

i think seeking the states you can reach internally through drugs is a waste they all have their own **** to teach you

heroin was a mistake, and i paid for it on a lot of levels, but it also taught me a lot and i dont regret it

would never do it again, but i'd be lying if i said i didn't love it

but it's like an ex you never want to see again

but anyway meditation is just a matter of practice

i have a terrible attention span and i manage, had to learn by trying though

it's like playing an instrument

posted December 27, 2018 10:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I have Mars conjunct Neptune and I’ve never been into drugs. But my conjunction is in nerdy Capricorn 🤓

My boyfriend has Mars in Pisces and he has tried different things. He used to be a heavy drinker and smoker in his early 20s, but not in the past few years since we’ve known each other.

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posted December 28, 2018 02:36 AM            

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^ Oh wow

That's really different to the way I am when it comes to drugs.
So it's interesting we have the same Mars.
I usually take natural things to calm down and relax, like teas and vitamins. And being around water is aways de-stressing. I love swimming.

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what other aspects does your mars have? that could be the difference

it's not about calming down for me, it's about enjoyment

i enjoy being intoxicated as much as i enjoy sex or a good adrenaline rush or sitting by a river (i love being on or near water but not in it unless it's rain or a shower) and i like to feel as many different enjoyable sensations as possible

i'm extremely pleasure seeking

if i want to calm down i just void meditate, maybe i'll do that while also high or drunk but i'll also do it sober all the same

i also really enjoy being pushed into a constant heightened state of awareness

going on walks in the middle of the night with a joint and a lighter knowing bears and **** are around and that i have to pay attention to make sure i get home

i find that helpful to destress

even without the joint, then maybe i'll just walk longer and further

i'll take vitamins and drink teas and whatnot too but that's a poor substitute for some things

i'm very hedonistic admittedly, and i'll chase after a good time through all kinds of hell

i have the loose neptune conjunction and then my mars is square my ascendant/venus (libra) and moon/descendant (aries)

posted December 28, 2018 05:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
oh for me i always had lucid dreams, shared dreams, dreams that came true etc and eventually that spiraled into weird deja vu during a vacation to rome

i wrote it off

few years later i had this pcp blackout on my 22nd birthday, came out of it and i was in the middle of having sex with my fiancee and afterwards i was bothered by it because i had been freaking out before that over deja vu, then it was like void meditation, but i was clearly still there physically not at all mentally

autowrote a lot of **** i thought was crazy, ripped it up

a few years later things i wrote happened, learned third eye meditation and had a lot of experiences through an ex and that led me to all this and i started studying astrology looking for answers or someone else who might know other things

but meditation is a skill like any other you get good

my most vivid meditation experience was as vivid as me writing this right now

i was just as aware, it felt the same

i was surrounded by deer (deer are a constant thing for me since opening my 3rf eye) stags, does, fawns

in a half circle around me, one of the stags stepped forward, they all bowed down i touched its antler

and i could feel it underneath my fingertips

never knew what to make of it aside from it being a unique experience completely unrelated to drugs

i think seeking the states you can reach internally through drugs is a waste they all have their own **** to teach you

heroin was a mistake, and i paid for it on a lot of levels, but it also taught me a lot and i dont regret it

would never do it again, but i'd be lying if i said i didn't love it

but it's like an ex you never want to see again

but anyway meditation is just a matter of practice

i have a terrible attention span and i manage, had to learn by trying though

it's like playing an instrument

**** around with something enough and you learn what does and doesnt work

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posted December 28, 2018 05:36 AM            

Anyways, does not drink or smoke. He is even against vitamin supplements. This guy is so so far from substance abuse.

But as said, he is addicted to gymming. He will gym 5-6 days of a week, and when I point out he needs to have rest days in between, he will shut me down. He has been gymming 10 years now.

posted December 28, 2018 05:38 AM            

I've my addictions but it's more on other stuff like my obsession in killers/serial killers and criminal psychology. That's not a bad thing, right?

I don't know what other things this aspect causes but I often have vivid dreams (sometimes prophetic ones) and I once had a out-of-body experience. Deja vu experiences and premonitions.

posted December 28, 2018 05:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
I have one male friend who has the conjunction, in capricorn.
The only thing he is addicted to is gymming, and tastless food . No really he will literally eat anything and won't care at all if its totally tasteless. He sees food some fuel only. He wanna still his hunger and make sure he ges his calories and proteins. He will eat boiled potatoes and boiled chicken, with no souce and not even salt. Its terrible haha

Anyways, does not drink or smoke. He is even against vitamin supplements. This guy is so so far from substance abuse.

But as said, he is addicted to gymming. He will gym 5-6 days of a week, and when I point out he needs to have rest days in between, he will shut me down. He has been gymming 10 years now.

As a virgo asc, I can see he does some things wrong hahah, its like, he just wanna have this as a routine. And yes he will never follow anyones advice. Super stubborn Leo sun-merc, drives me crazy

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Hmm.Does his body show results?

I also know a guy who is into mixed martial arts with Mars/Neptune in aspect by conjunction in Sag.

posted December 28, 2018 06:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hmm.Does his body show results?

I also know a guy who is into mixed martial arts with Mars/Neptune in aspect by conjunction in Sag.

His body is flawless!! But I fear he borders on anorexia. Also-his relationships have suffered. He can't find a girlfriend because he is in love with gym so much.

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oh no thats so sad how does that work out? martial arts means he has to have a well functioning body? and anorexia means, bony and sick?

Sound terrible if his health and relationships suffer I hope he will gain some control over that with time

posted December 28, 2018 06:30 AM            

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Oh yes his body shows results alright! He is very muscular-

He has also for ex very broad shoulders and a very nice v-shaped upper torso. His body type is like that of a well trained Chris Pratt (Guardians of galaxy, latest Jurassic Park actor Chris Pratt )

Hmm no he is not addicted in that way. He has a social life although he likes his routines which is home-gym-school-work. He will train only 1-2 hours a day. he is very precise and won't go overboard

Also, he does not care about showing off at all. Like, he will get super weirded out if you comment about how you really think he is so mentally strong for keeping this up.

He also made comments early on about himself that showed me, he is very insecure about his body! He does not seem to see himself as the hunk he is!

He has Leo sun, but square Saturn. If you give him compliments, he will brush em off and have a stone wall face haha.

He is the type of guy who is super humble and would never brag or show off.

Also we talked about this guy before you and I. I remember you commented about his weird food routines with "does he have 6th house ruler in 1th?". Which he has, so you were spot on

posted January 05, 2019 05:43 PM            

I can only speak from my own personal experience when it comes to this aspect since I don't know anyone else with it.

I certainly have a liberal view when it comes to drugs. Maybe not hard drugs, but I'm positive towards weed and the like and have recreationally smoked weed quite a few times in my life. I do like the uninhibitation of getting high or drunk. In that state I can reach a trance-like state that is very pleasant, and generally unreachable while sober. I don't have an addictive personality though, and my recreational use of weed or alcohol with the intention to get intoxicated/high is limited to at most a few times a year.

If I were to freely speculate as to the planetary influences at work, then that high and the trance-like state that can follow, are very Neptunian in nature. With a strong unfettered/uninhibited Neptune in the chart that euphoria might be something one can easily reach without aid (which might be good or bad depending on how you work with it). I think Neptune in the chart shows our ability to embrace our unconscious mind, go with the flow, just open ourselves up and let impressions in. Hence the association with intuition, sensitivity, but also confusion and delusion. The opposing Mercury/Mars conjunction however is active, rational and too restless to easily let go and just be. Constantly thinking, making, doing, constantly aware and reasoning.

So a person with a strong Neptune and a harsh aspect to either Mars or Mercury, or both, might well want that trance but feel hindered by their active mind, and thus turn to drugs or other intoxicants to temporarily quiet their Mars/Mercury. Or they might find other ways to reach this desired receptive state, like very draining physical activity or the like. Personally I get high off of ASMR videos on Youtube. I put that stuff on and then inspiration can flow!

Whether this tendency turns to addiction or not is probably better told by other parts of the horoscope.

posted January 10, 2019 05:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:

oh no that's so sad how does that work out? martial arts means he has to have a well functioning body? and anorexia means, bony and sick?

Sound terrible if his health and relationships suffer I hope he will gain some control over that with time

Does he have virgo in his chart? or moon-saturn? or saturn-mars? Just curious

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He looks very lean to me. Like SUPER LEAN. And his body allows him to be agile(which is his strength)