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Topic: 2 charts? - is there narcissism or psychopathy?
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WhiteBirds
Knowflake Posts: 147
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Registered: Oct 2018
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posted July 05, 2019 07:19 AM
  
Hello everyone. I would like to know if in either of these two graphs there are features of narcissism or psychopathy. I've discovered a writer, who exposes how the narcissistic mind works, and it's interesting because that writer is a narcissist himself. It's a much more serious matter than I thought. Here are the charts   IP: Logged |
WaterBearingMaiden
Knowflake Posts: 87
From: Aurora, Colorado, USA
Registered: Jul 2012
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posted July 05, 2019 08:53 AM
I would like to give more time to this when I have more time, but some things I see in the first chart is Uranus in the 12th house, a lot of oppositions in mercury, Saturn squaring moon, and mars squares I also want to point out that APD and NPD are personality disorders but some studies have suggested genetic linkages, especially for APD. Astrology looks at personality so it can be interesting to compare that but keep in mind that some people could have them genetically and that may not show in their charts IP: Logged |
WhiteBirds
Knowflake Posts: 147
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Registered: Oct 2018
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posted July 06, 2019 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by WaterBearingMaiden:
I would like to give more time to this when I have more time, but some things I see in the first chart is Uranus in the 12th house, a lot of oppositions in mercury, Saturn squaring moon, and mars squares I also want to point out that APD and NPD are personality disorders but some studies have suggested genetic linkages, especially for APD. Astrology looks at personality so it can be interesting to compare that but keep in mind that some people could have them genetically and that may not show in their charts
Thank you very much, this is very important to me. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
Knowflake Posts: 207
From: us
Registered: Sep 2018
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posted July 06, 2019 08:23 PM
The first chart has Pluto conjunct NN on the Ascendant in Virgo. Virgo is conceited sometimes so I can imagine having Pluto and NN on the Ascendant this person would possibly be that way. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted July 06, 2019 09:41 PM
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Orange
Knowflake Posts: 7630
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted July 06, 2019 11:07 PM
The first chart seems very controlling and prone to narcissism mostly because the person has trouble with love and has developed extreme measures of keeping a partner tied up unable to leave them..prone to using very manipulative techniques, gas lighting and mind games - this all comes from Pluto on the ASC, chat ruler Mercury opposing Pluto, Saturn in the 5th plus is square to Venus - very deeply troubled in love, possibly hard time getting a relationship or people abandon them, Sun is in the 7th ( wants to be the center of attention in relationships and relationship are important to them), Mars in Cancer- very volatile temperament.
The second chart is not a narcissistic, IMO.
maybe avoidant attachment, not very emotional, but not a true narcissist or psychopath. People with Jupiter on the ASC ate generally happy people.
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FruityLlama
Knowflake Posts: 1218
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posted July 13, 2019 10:03 AM
The similarities I see in these charts are:-Jupiter square Venus (exaggerated charm? exaggerated sense of attraction as well perhaps)
-Mercury-Jupiter hard aspect (promising too much, grandiose statements, exaggerating generally)
-Chart ruler connection to Pluto. This I will have to look at more, and I think it was said before anyway- Pluto conj. ASC, the other Scoprio ASC. In terms of narcissism , this energy could be used to draw people in at least, and then the other traits would be employed. It has to be a cocktail of things, not just one single placement as there are many symptoms of it. I also noticed Mercury- Neptune. One is a trine, which is surprising. You'd expect hard aspects to donate the pathological lying trait, but obviously the trine may do this too. As I said, such aspects will come together in the chart to increase the likelihood or ability to be a narcissist. IP: Logged |
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