posted January 02, 2020 08:57 PM            

I've been reading a lot of your posts here about your thoughts on how the ASC works and it has gotten me thinking. I have a complicated chart configuration and I was wondering if you could answer some questions for me.

Something that I have always struggled to relate to is the fact that my moon placement is in Gemini. I've read thousands of descriptions and interpretations of this placement and have done comparisons as well, it doesn't add up for me. I just want to know if you see any reason for why I would feel more Scorpionic than one would lead to believe on first sight?

I know how you have stated that a planet on the ASC can be a very dominant force in the natal chart, and with that in mind, would you say this is the same case for me and my Scorpio ASC-Mars configuration?

This is my chart for reference: https://ibb.co/g9B1kCq

posted January 03, 2020 10:44 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ How does one figure that time out? Just asking for a friend...!!!!!

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draw a clock on the ground with chalk and sacrifice a chicken in the middle

then boil it til the meat falls off the bones, cast 2 bones onto the clock asking your question and they'll land in the exact time

posted January 04, 2020 03:31 AM            

To find your true rising sign, look to aspects of other people who are important/major contributors to your life. I.E. Parents, Siblings, Offspring, Husband/Wife, long-time friends, Teachers/Mentors etc... Look to see what common aspects they have in relation to your Natal. Do several of them have, say... Mars in Aquarius? If so, if you don't have Uranus in aspect to Mars in your Natal Chart, then it's a safe bet you have Mars in the 11th House. Again, just an example, but you get the idea. Just keep looking through as many charts of people you have correct TOBs to find a planet in a common sign or aspect. Mars in aspect to Uranus in another's Natal is also just as effective as someone who has Mars in Aquarius, pointing to a further hypothetical Mars in the 11th House in your Natal.

Only after you find your "True Rising" sign can you begin the long tedious process of narrowing your Ascendant down the the closest second.

posted January 04, 2020 08:25 AM            

You're very scorpionic for so many reasons, not just one.

Scorpio Asc

Asc ruler Mars is in early degrees (very strong Mars) in Scorpio, conjunct Asc

Moon in 8th house, in Exact opposition to Pluto.

Can you get more scorpionic than all that? I'd say noo ) but hell, yes you can.

posted January 04, 2020 11:38 AM            

But from what I have read in your posts, that's not likely.And what I think is likely is the overarching effect of Mars in Scorpio combined with Pluto-Moon opp.

I tried to do my cousin's chart a while back & it transpired that she was born 9 months BEFORE the alleged birth date.

It was the Mars sign that I was uncomfortable with initially.It just didn't fit her at all -not according to who she was consistently.I kept on seeing Gem.Gem...somewhere.

She mimics people, she is very quick witted, she can talk up a storm,she is very animated when she talks, she loves to read...a lot.She has a natural knack with words.

She is a woman about town(absolutely loves people),she is good at doing multiple things at once, her attention span is short. I just saw Gemini,Gemini,Gemini.

After much enquiry with other family members, we did zone in on a probable Month.And that month had Gemini Mars

We went further and zoomed in on Venus. And the rest then fell into place. Unfortunately however, the Moon is still unresolved i.e it could be Taurus or Aries. My bet is Tau.

Look to your Mars too.Don't hone in too much on the Moon.Consider how everything else fits.

posted January 04, 2020 08:06 PM            

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Hi Electro DGX,

I will try to get to your query on my next day off which is Sunday. I work long hours at a physically taxing job so won't have time or energy to look at it before then.

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posted January 06, 2020 12:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Hello.

I've been reading a lot of your posts here about your thoughts on how the ASC works and it has gotten me thinking. I have a complicated chart configuration and I was wondering if you could answer some questions for me.

Something that I have always struggled to relate to is the fact that my moon placement is in Gemini. I've read thousands of descriptions and interpretations of this placement and have done comparisons as well, it doesn't add up for me. I just want to know if you see any reason for why I would feel more Scorpionic than one would lead to believe on first sight?

I know how you have stated that a planet on the ASC can be a very dominant force in the natal chart, and with that in mind, would you say this is the same case for me and my Scorpio ASC-Mars configuration?

This is my chart for reference: https://ibb.co/g9B1kCq

Thank you in advance

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There are a few things that jump out right away while looking at your chart. First is the barely in Scorpio Mars very closely conjunct the barely in Scorpio ASC. Mars is all about passion and intensity, and Scorpio further highlights and shows an increase of this--indicating that it goes deeper and more "underground"/volcanic in a sense. Not what you would expect with someone that has Aqua Sun and Gemini Moon.

However, since both are also closely cupsing Libra, there is also some highlighting of focus on partnerships/closer relationships, issues of balance, fair judgement, and other Libra related patterns. It does soften the very highlighted Mars and Scorpio some. Soften in the sense that while there is probably great intensity of feeling, there is also a desire to try to be more objective, fair and balanced about things. This is a good thing--it does not mean "weakening". The Aqua Sun and Gemini Moon also help out in that regard, but indeed, Mars first and Scorpio 2nd, will be some of the most highlighted patterns as regards your basic and core attunement in a more consistent sense. But I would suggest that on a Soul level, you are trying to become more like the Aquarian-Leo axis.

Then looking at your Moon. This is a very altered Moon. The very close, powerful aspect with Pluto indicates a deepening and intensfying of feeling. It being placed in the 8th House does as well, but in a less direct sense than Sign or Planetary aspects. Meaning, outer conditions, circumstances, and life events have tended to be heavy and/or intense in that lunar area, which over time will shift one to a more Scorpio like attunement, which is already highlighted with the very close Pluto opposition.

But what you and others may be missing is Neptune in all this. Neptune is also very strongly shading in with your Lunar attunement and pattern. First, there is a wide trine to Neptune from the Moon, but also consider the "sub harmonic" of the Moon Sign placement. Ruler of Gemini is Mercury. Mercury is placed in very early Aquarius strongly cusping Capricorn and closely conjunct Neptune which is also cusping Capricorn.

Both Neptune and Pluto are sensitizing the Moon both in an emotional/feeling and psychic/intuitive sense. Meanwhile, the Capricorn and Pluto is intensifying the Moon. Gemini as an archetype is a fairly light pattern--probably the lightest of all the Signs. However, all this Pluto, 8th House Neptune, Aqua-Capricorn shading in, is indicating a heavier, more intense, more deep, more spiritually seeking Moon that what Gemini at first suggests.

But where Gemini comes in, is in communication, the desire to learn, the questions, possible connections to siblings, etc i.e. the usual Gemini archetypes and patterns. These are all there, but they are way more intense, deep, psychic, and spiritual in nature. It also helps to maintain a balance of flexibility. Gemini is nothing if not intellectually flexible, whereas say Pluto or Scorpio can be very not so, and "I am RIGHT and that's all there is to it!" which Mars strong also tends to support the pattern of.

But Gemini helps to keep a better balance--you can and do ask questions, listen to other perspectives, and basically be more open minded. But just not near the extent of a typical or less alterred Gemini pattern, because there is a greater intensity of feeling, intuition, focus on deep subjects, etc So once you have made up your mind about something, it usually takes quite a bit of evidence to the contrary to change it.

There is more going on in the chart that changes the basic airy nature of same and outlines greater heaviness, depth, and intensity, such as the late Aries Saturn opposed the ASC, or Uranus conjunct the Sun (Uranus is an extreme oriented symbol, though if a different way and feel than Pluto which also corresponds to extremes), 4th House Sun, etc.

Be wary of allowing yourself to be strongly attracted to overly materialistic, ego centered (these are not necessarily in a flashy, extroverted Leonine way, but just ego focused), and control oriented types. Your life pattern involves some interaction in this area with such type people, for whatever reason(s), but just don't let it become a habit or pattern. It doesn't need to be.

posted January 08, 2020 09:23 PM            

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There are a few things that jump out right away while looking at your chart. First is the barely in Scorpio Mars very closely conjunct the barely in Scorpio ASC. Mars is all about passion and intensity, and Scorpio further highlights and shows an increase of this--indicating that it goes deeper and more "underground"/volcanic in a sense. Not what you would expect with someone that has Aqua Sun and Gemini Moon.

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This I would say is very accurate. I'm much too intense for a typical Aquarius with Gemini Moon. One reason why I couldn't ever relate to my moon sign in the first place.

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However, since both are also closely cupsing Libra, there is also some highlighting of focus on partnerships/closer relationships, issues of balance, fair judgement, and other Libra related patterns. It does soften the very highlighted Mars and Scorpio some. Soften in the sense that while there is probably great intensity of feeling, there is also a desire to try to be more objective, fair and balanced about things. This is a good thing--it does not mean "weakening". The Aqua Sun and Gemini Moon also help out in that regard, but indeed, Mars first and Scorpio 2nd, will be some of the most highlighted patterns as regards your basic and core attunement in a more consistent sense. But I would suggest that on a Soul level, you are trying to become more like the Aquarian-Leo axis.

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Hmm...this is where I have trouble relating. I don't relate to the Libra bit at all; I have had people interpret my chart that have suggested the same thing and I don't believe it to be true. I have attracted multiple Libra ASC and Libra Mars people in my life, but mostly it is because we are completely different from one another. I would be shocked if someone mistook me for a Libra ASC, and to be fair I would say a lot of my desire to be objective is also an Aquarius trait considering how it is an air sign. In my eyes though it's not so much about being balanced as it is just dealing with the facts of the matter.

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Then looking at your Moon. This is a very altered Moon. The very close, powerful aspect with Pluto indicates a deepening and intensfying of feeling. It being placed in the 8th House does as well, but in a less direct sense than Sign or Planetary aspects. Meaning, outer conditions, circumstances, and life events have tended to be heavy and/or intense in that lunar area, which over time will shift one to a more Scorpio like attunement, which is already highlighted with the very close Pluto opposition.

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This is also very true. I definitely have already felt this shift and have felt it since I was under 20 years old. Because of this, seeing that my Moon is in Gemini makes it feel like it's foreign to me. I spend a lot of time reading interpretations for Scorpio Moon since that resonates with me much more than Gemini Moon ever has, and most likely ever will.

When I was a child my parents have said that I was super sociable, always talking and going off about things. However that is nothing like how I am today.

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But what you and others may be missing is Neptune in all this. Neptune is also very strongly shading in with your Lunar attunement and pattern. First, there is a wide trine to Neptune from the Moon, but also consider the "sub harmonic" of the Moon Sign placement. Ruler of Gemini is Mercury. Mercury is placed in very early Aquarius strongly cusping Capricorn and closely conjunct Neptune which is also cusping Capricorn.

Both Neptune and Pluto are sensitizing the Moon both in an emotional/feeling and psychic/intuitive sense. Meanwhile, the Capricorn and Pluto is intensifying the Moon. Gemini as an archetype is a fairly light pattern--probably the lightest of all the Signs. However, all this Pluto, 8th House Neptune, Aqua-Capricorn shading in, is indicating a heavier, more intense, more deep, more spiritually seeking Moon that what Gemini at first suggests.

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I would agree with this. In fact, I believe that Neptune being so strong is what indicates my creative side. I spend a lot of time involving myself in creative endeavors; I've been producing electronic music for almost six years now, and also make my own digital artwork.

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But where Gemini comes in, is in communication, the desire to learn, the questions, possible connections to siblings, etc i.e. the usual Gemini archetypes and patterns. These are all there, but they are way more intense, deep, psychic, and spiritual in nature. It also helps to maintain a balance of flexibility. Gemini is nothing if not intellectually flexible, whereas say Pluto or Scorpio can be very not so, and "I am RIGHT and that's all there is to it!" which Mars strong also tends to support the pattern of.

But Gemini helps to keep a better balance--you can and do ask questions, listen to other perspectives, and basically be more open minded. But just not near the extent of a typical or less alterred Gemini pattern, because there is a greater intensity of feeling, intuition, focus on deep subjects, etc So once you have made up your mind about something, it usually takes quite a bit of evidence to the contrary to change it.

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I would say this is true. I do listen to other people's perspectives and thoughts on things but it takes me a LOT before I change my stance on something. It could also just be me being fixed-dominant, but until I have substantial evidence to the contrary, I stick with what I believe and know to be true. I'm much less flexible when it comes to my life-patterns and emotions, however. If someone makes me feel emotionally invalidated that's a big problem for me and I have a hard time handling it.

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
There is more going on in the chart that changes the basic airy nature of same and outlines greater heaviness, depth, and intensity, such as the late Aries Saturn opposed the ASC, or Uranus conjunct the Sun (Uranus is an extreme oriented symbol, though if a different way and feel than Pluto which also corresponds to extremes), 4th House Sun, etc.

Be wary of allowing yourself to be strongly attracted to overly materialistic, ego centered (these are not necessarily in a flashy, extroverted Leonine way, but just ego focused), and control oriented types. Your life pattern involves some interaction in this area with such type people, for whatever reason(s), but just don't let it become a habit or pattern. It doesn't need to be.

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I have dealt with these kinds of people before and I have cut a lot of these types of people out of my life. All they did was drag me down and I've felt so disrespected and hurt by them that they now no longer deserve to be in my life.

Thank you for the interpretation GalaticCoreExplosion, I do appreciate you taking the time to look at my chart and see what you can make of it.

posted January 08, 2020 10:08 PM            

Yep, Neptune can definitely correlate with creativity--especially in relation to visual arts, music, film, and/or photography.

Cusping tends to be subtle. It's not ever like it's "half and half" or anything like that--it's often more subtle shading.

It's kind of like the color wheel. Take the basic core color blue. On one side, you have bluish green, then greenish blue, then blue, and on the other side, you have bluish violet/magenta.

But one always predominates over the other. The actual Sign that the Planet is in, always predominates when speaking in a singular sense (not factoring in other Planets perhaps also placed in the Sign before or after, which might strengthen/bolster the cusping Planet/Sign). Then consider that Mars and Scorpio are both rather different energies than Libra. These are rather "red" oriented (Scorpio more towards the reddish purple and Mars more towards the basic red) energies and Libra is more towards the greenigh blue, cyan, or blue greenish.

But let's imagine that instead of your current positions, you actually had the ASC at 15 degrees Scorpio (aka pure Scorpio) and say Mars at 16 degrees Scorp. Such a person might be more than a little over "extra"* since there is so much red energy going on. Libra cusping helps to tone that down a wee bit. But like I said, there is still going to be the basic, primary intensity, passion, willfulness etc that corresponds to a combo of very strong Mars and strong Scorpio.

* As to how such a chart configuration could tend towards being over extra, such ways it could manifest could be in bad temper, grudge holding, hyper sexual, dominating others/power tripping in general, over self focus, etc type traits and tendencies. Such a person would benefit from some Venusian and/or Libra type blending/counter balancing.