posted February 02, 2022 02:29 AM            

Hi there - another newbie (ha ha sorry!)
I have been reading up on many of the posts of this forum since I have discovered astrology. Well, I suppose astrology being more than your sun. It’s been so informative and it’s been invaluable. Thank you for the forum.

I guess I would like some guidance or maybe to vent. I don’t know what I want really, but here goes.

so natally, I have some ****** aspects and placements: engulfed signs in houses, Mercury sag, retrograde merc, venus in scop, Mars in libra, sun opp moon, moon opp venus, moon opp Saturn, Saturn conj sun and mercury and venus, Saturn in tje 5th and Saturn ruling the 7th and a mostly unaspected Pluto (square from jup). Also a cancer rising so a bit of a cry baby! I have Taurus moon (truthfully my only “good” placement) but it’s harshly aspected. So yeah… I mean, what can you do hey!! Haha

well Im seeking some kind of guidance or help is that - for background - these past 12 months have been really difficult in terms of coming to accept the fact that I was never loved as a child and I now have a sense of abandonment and like, a lingering feeling of worthlessness. I have attachment issues (avoidant and disorganised) and generally just an approach and avoid type style of action. Totally sucks but again, hey ho. It got me into astrology so I guess that’s some consolation. I have been to therapy; it’s helpful but obviously issues are mostly part of me now. I can try methods of overcome them or not be bound by them, but yeah I guess it’s just the way it is.

Anyway, I’ve looked back on some of my transits and it’s like - Saturn conjunction Pluto in 5th, then Saturn conjunct natal venus in 5th, Saturn conjunct natal sun in 6th. Saturn then moved into my 7th house and obvs didn’t want to move for ages and now then it descended into my 8th and now square my
Venus (and later on my moon) where it will be for a year. Then squares my natal Saturn. Then squares my sun then my mercury. You know? it’s just a lot.

And I’m just like… when is it my turn to be happy? You know? It’s just like constantly wading through mud. I just feel like a perpetually single, always less than, total chump.
I understand and am grateful that I have everything I need - shelter, money, warmth, food, family, health, privilege. Many things plenty of people would love to have. But i don’t think it’s greedy or grabby to just kind of, want to be good enough for just 1 day? I feel like a cheerleader for everyone else - watching them grow and be successful and I am truly happy about that. But was I really put on tje planet to be a someone who claps for everyone else? Seems a bit unfair. I guess that’s why I think god doesn’t like me much. Like a black mark was put on me and I’m forced to find positives in bad situations, rather than just you know, having a positive thing happen. Does that make sense?

I would just, I guess, need some reassurance my life is not just going to be a series of ****** days. Apparently I need “self Love” I think I’m ok. But I also find this sad. Why do I Have to be the only one who loves me? Am I really that much of a lame person that my advice is to love myself so I can accept that no one else will? Makes me feel so sad.

Sorry for the rant or illogical ******** . I just needed to vent I guess. Also, sorry for the brainwave dump but a newbie. Just offloaded and gave nothing in return.

Also if you have some ****** aspects or transits and stuff too, some reassurance might be helpful. I know, I know, I’m totally demanding!!

posted February 02, 2022 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I know the feeling. Welcome to the forum.

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posted February 02, 2022 09:41 PM            

I know you think you are the only one who feels alone and unloved, but in reality, the majority of humans struggle with feeling alone and/or unloved. That is why so many people use alcohol, recreational drugs, foods, sex, and TV/Internet/social media addiction, workaholism, to numb their feelings.

Anyway, the question you asked in the title is the gist of it. I am pretty sure God loves you. After all, God created you, why would God not love his creation?

Astrology does not answer everything. It is not meant to. To answer the question of the title, you need to embark on a spiritual journey, and on this journey, you will encounter guides who will hold your hand for a while as you are trying to find your way. None of those guides are the end. No guru is the end. The end is you developing a personal relationship with God without intermediary. A child communicating with his father does not need intermediaries, but if the child thinks he does and does not feel connected, intermediaries will show up. It's okay, just don't confuse the intermediaries for the real thing.

posted February 02, 2022 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Hey, welcome!

I know you think you are the only one who feels alone and unloved, but in reality, the majority of humans struggle with feeling alone and/or unloved. That is why so many people use alcohol, recreational drugs, foods, sex, and TV/Internet/social media addiction, workaholism, to numb their feelings.

Anyway, the question you asked in the title is the gist of it. I am pretty sure God loves you. After all, God created you, why would God not love his creation?

Astrology does not answer everything. It is not meant to. To answer the question of the title, you need to embark on a spiritual journey, and on this journey, you will encounter guides who will hold your hand for a while as you are trying to find your way. None of those guides are the end. No guru is the end. The end is you developing a personal relationship with God without intermediary. A child communicating with his father does not need intermediaries, but if the child thinks he does and does not feel connected, intermediaries will show up. It's okay, just don't confuse the intermediaries for the real thing.

If there is a subforum here where you can post your chart and we can take a look at it, I would take a look and tell you what I think.

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posted February 02, 2022 10:49 PM            

Glad you're here!

I have loads I want to say to you, but can't hang out right now.

Yep, Saturn Venus in harsh aspect sucks!!
You nailed it (for now).
AND, you CAN find the way to position yourself and to work 'with' it.

(I have Saturn in Scorpio. Is yours Scorpio?)

I've walked with God for almost 7 decades now.
Good News?---

GOD is ABSOLUTELY totally INTO you!! whether 'you' are conscious of it or not! He's crazy about you, every part and bit of you and your life.

I'll share 'how' I've dealt with that terrible sense of aloneness and isolation. There's a way of positioning yourself inwardly, and a way of Thinking you can adopt that can help you through some of the bleaker periods.

So cute--
I really DID understand the answer is Self Love blah blah blah ... *still chuckling*

There IS a way of self-acceptance (peace in you as-you-ARE) that gets accompanied by an inside faith (a secured-sense and belief, in spite of having no material hard evidence of a spiritual fact).

Last Fall 2021, I began watching an online Church called Elevation. Steven and Holly Furtick are the pastors of this now 16 year old church body. It streams by youtube from North Carolina, USA.

HE and his wife are EXCELLENT for working with youth and young adults. Been watching 4 or 5 months now.

Here's a SHORT mini word from him.

(topic) God Didn't Speak That !!!
(#Shorts; Pastor Steven Furtick)
[0:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUMOaOHSbfA

He BUILDS people up, from an inside way.

You might try a few of his (and her) sermons.

Elevation Church usa
youtube channel
- http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIQqvZbHSwX0yKNVK1MyYjQ

I see you're in London?
There's a "Morning Prayer" program that comes out of the Canterbury Cathedral, presented by Dean Robert Willis, using youtube channel.
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I find this VERY soothing, inspirational, educative, artistic and musical.
Dean Robert is older (Sun later Taurus, Moon Aries), and VERY much into Building Up people who feel non-important. So much healing.
Has Cats, animals with him each day. Films from picturesque spots somewhere in the Gardens around the Cathedral.
A short little scripture/history lesson.
Biographical Sketches on people's lives (those making a difference, or those who made their mark in history and still affect our lives).

General Channel for Canterbury
- http://www.youtube.com/c/CanterburyCathedralOfficial

Latest Video first list
Find "Morning Prayer" videos (daily)
They are gorgeous!! Photography is stunning. (Camera work is by a guy named 'Fletcher'.)
- http://www.youtube.com/c/CanterburyCathedralOfficial/videos

WOW!! Saturn Sun Mercury and Venus conjunction??
What Sign? What are their degrees?
They are in the (placidus) 5th House?

Hug for Cancer ASC.
Taurus Moon 11th? ..

So yes I see you have therapist lingo pasted in your mind.
You're done therapy for now?

Much Love

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Imagine that this is God, singing to YOU!

(music) It's You I Like
(Fred Rogers song, perf by Dan Heidt, folk guitar)
[2:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5kSDN03qmE

posted February 03, 2022 01:44 AM            

Secondly, there are various kinds of fear-based or limited/limiting notions commonly spread within pop astrology. Not everything you see listed on astrology websites as a 'bad' astrological placement or factor actually is.

Self-worth is more important than anything you can learn in or from astrology. If you can gain a sense of self-worth from astrology, good. If not, leave it out.

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The Declinations Guy | Expert Birth Chart Rectification

posted February 03, 2022 05:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Hey, welcome!

I know you think you are the only one who feels alone and unloved, but in reality, the majority of humans struggle with feeling alone and/or unloved. That is why so many people use alcohol, recreational drugs, foods, sex, and TV/Internet/social media addiction, workaholism, to numb their feelings.

Anyway, the question you asked in the title is the gist of it. I am pretty sure God loves you. After all, God created you, why would God not love his creation?

Astrology does not answer everything. It is not meant to. To answer the question of the title, you need to embark on a spiritual journey, and on this journey, you will encounter guides who will hold your hand for a while as you are trying to find your way. None of those guides are the end. No guru is the end. The end is you developing a personal relationship with God without intermediary. A child communicating with his father does not need intermediaries, but if the child thinks he does and does not feel connected, intermediaries will show up. It's okay, just don't confuse the intermediaries for the real thing.

If there is a subforum here where you can post your chart and we can take a look at it, I would take a look and tell you what I think.

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Hi
Thank you for that
Let’s hope god answers my text even with or without an intermediary because right now I’m feeling particularly ghosted by him ha!!

Is this right for a chart?

https://ibb.co/n65f75N
http://ibn.co/n65f75N

posted February 03, 2022 05:30 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
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Imagine that this is God, singing to YOU!

(music) It's You I Like
(Fred Rogers song, perf by Dan Heidt, folk guitar)
[2:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5kSDN03qmE

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thank you for your response and the links. I appreciate them
Umm my Saturn is 1 degree in sag so yeah it’s pretty much hitting everything! And yes moon in 11th.

I’ll watch your links and hopefully see if I can relate maybe I need to atone rather than moan haha!!

posted February 03, 2022 05:35 AM            

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Thank you for the reality check ha ha
I do agre actually. Surprisingly I’m quite an optimistic happy person, despite my precious self pitying post. I also do believe that you make your own luck and you can find happiness and god in everything, trees growing from plants, kids laughing, hugs and cake etc etc

I guess I just feel like, I’ve always believed that you will get what you deserve and what you put in you get out. Kind of dawned on me recently that I don’t have anything so maybe that means I don’t deserve anything. Was a bit of a downer to be honest.

I also know that aspects and transits and my chart etc are just blue prints and my life is mine. I think it dragged me down that there’s not even joy in future transits. Everything just seems very bleak at the moment and I couldn’t even find a bit of fun in that. You know? I don’t know maybe I’m just spoilt!

posted February 03, 2022 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by suckysaturn:
Hi
Thank you for that
Let’s hope god answers my text even with or without an intermediary because right now I’m feeling particularly ghosted by him ha!!

Is this right for a chart?

https://ibb.co/n65f75N
http://ibn.co/n65f75N

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You have an interesting chart with lots of polarity. This is what jumped out to me:

Your chart ruler is the moon and it is posited in Taurus, which is a great place, but it is opposed by Saturn in Sagg.

You have a loaded 5th house.

You have natal Jupiter in the 8th house.

Chiron opposite mercury and Uranus

Pluto on the South Node.

In your chart, I see a lot of oppositions, but almost no squares. What it means it that you have to live a life of balance. You have to learn to balance opposing energies, opposing desires, opposing pulls.

Thank goodness you don't have a lot of fixity in your chart, so learning to do the balancing act will be possible.

You are also heavily Sagg with 4 planets in Sagg, so transit wise, you are starting to feel the transit of Jupiter in Pisces as a square to those planets. Since this square involves Jupiter as a ruler of both signs, a lot of good can come out of it. Jupiter is the GOD planet, so you are reaching out and trying to understand the GOD process in your life.

It will be easier for you when Jupiter moves into Aries, trining your Sagg planets.

As for your chart ruler the moon, transit North Node is approaching a conjunction to your moon. So your emotional issues will be center stage in your life. In the 11th house, issues of how you relate to the larger community, to friends, not just to yourself.

Your loaded 5th house? Remember, the 5th house is the house of children, love affairs, and also performance/arts/fun. What are you doing in those areas? What are your goals for these areas of your life? Jupiter in Pisces will be trining them, so some lucky things might happen.

posted February 03, 2022 02:36 PM            

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posted February 03, 2022 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by saronna:
Will is strongest than natal chart. It's something Edgar Cayce wrote about natal chart. God's will is happiness Edgar Cayce wrote about in attitudes & emotions. I was wondering about God within than religious beliefs God not liking you & God's will is happiness

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posted February 03, 2022 02:53 PM            

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Thank you very much

So essentially before I reply to your insight (I really appreciate that) firstly I guess I would want to know how you would deal with this if you were me?
I appreciate it’s my life etc but I don’t know how it feels to not have a push and pull for pretty much everything. I kind of just assumed everyone is the same. so would you manage these aspects as an outsider?
It is pretty exhausting to never feel fulfilled or as though I’m doing the right thing. I always feel that whatever I do is wrong or sometimes I’m just stuck and like I have analysis paralysis.

I have never really understood sound node / Pluto. I can understand the words but not the meaning or feeling or impact of it. I only know my life, but because so many of my aspects are kinda **** I never really
Know which **** one it is that relates to that particular problem if that makes sense ahahaha

with regards to the Jupiter transit comment that has pretty much blown my mind. I didn’t realise my issues with god may be coming to the fore because of that. I maybe would like to ask god some questions but I doubt he’d reply right now so I’m pretty angry with him. I would atone but I don’t know what I’ve done wrong so I guess god and I are at a standstill.

Umm with regards to my 5th house. Yeah it’s full of stuff…including Saturn. Yay me.
Umm love affairs? Nothing. Don’t really get asked out or anything. Don’t think I’m particularly attractive to others. Thankfully I have friends and mostly I’m pretty joyful although I can appreciate it might not seem like it haaaaa
I’m always trying out new hobbies. In fact I just nought a latch hook rug making learning kit so I’ll try that. Tho underneath it all I can be quite sad by my love of trying out things but I’m actually very rarely ever good at anything. I don’t mean to sound morose I’m happy to try but I can be a bit sad about always being a bit rubbish at things. I’m not very creative at all, tho I get complimented on my outfits and home decor. (Tho secretly I always feel that I’m just copying someone else’s vibe. It’s just from a normal shop so it’s not like I made this super cool outfit.)
I think I might buy a bike next month and spend a few weeks cycling around the seaside. I can just cycle
Away from all this crap.

I am now very very looking forward to Jupiter in Aries so thank you for that! Have no idea how to work on north node conjunction because I kind of thought I have to try and balance both the north and south nodes but I do that anyway but having moon / venus Opp? If that
Makes sense

posted February 03, 2022 04:28 PM            

I have just one astrological observation, combined with a psychic perception regarding your question about God.

Should I leave the psychic part away... if you prefere/cannot relate to these kinds of things or find it too hard to believe in this case (I understand totally)...?

posted February 03, 2022 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by HeavenlyLove:
Hi SuckySaturn (what a funny name), 😉

I have just one astrological observation, combined with a psychic perception regarding your question about God.

Should I leave the psychic part away... if you prefere/cannot relate to these kinds of things or find it too hard to believe in this case (I understand totally)...?

I shouldn't even read certain posts here anymore...😉

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posted February 03, 2022 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by HeavenlyLove:
I have no question, just a psychic perception, so should I tell you ?

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posted February 03, 2022 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by suckysaturn:
Thank you very much

So essentially before I reply to your insight (I really appreciate that) firstly I guess I would want to know how you would deal with this if you were me?
I appreciate it’s my life etc but I don’t know how it feels to not have a push and pull for pretty much everything. I kind of just assumed everyone is the same. so would you manage these aspects as an outsider?
It is pretty exhausting to never feel fulfilled or as though I’m doing the right thing. I always feel that whatever I do is wrong or sometimes I’m just stuck and like I have analysis paralysis.

I have never really understood sound node / Pluto. I can understand the words but not the meaning or feeling or impact of it. I only know my life, but because so many of my aspects are kinda **** I never really
Know which **** one it is that relates to that particular problem if that makes sense ahahaha

with regards to the Jupiter transit comment that has pretty much blown my mind. I didn’t realise my issues with god may be coming to the fore because of that. I maybe would like to ask god some questions but I doubt he’d reply right now so I’m pretty angry with him. I would atone but I don’t know what I’ve done wrong so I guess god and I are at a standstill.

Umm with regards to my 5th house. Yeah it’s full of stuff…including Saturn. Yay me.
Umm love affairs? Nothing. Don’t really get asked out or anything. Don’t think I’m particularly attractive to others. Thankfully I have friends and mostly I’m pretty joyful although I can appreciate it might not seem like it haaaaa
I’m always trying out new hobbies. In fact I just nought a latch hook rug making learning kit so I’ll try that. Tho underneath it all I can be quite sad by my love of trying out things but I’m actually very rarely ever good at anything. I don’t mean to sound morose I’m happy to try but I can be a bit sad about always being a bit rubbish at things. I’m not very creative at all, tho I get complimented on my outfits and home decor. (Tho secretly I always feel that I’m just copying someone else’s vibe. It’s just from a normal shop so it’s not like I made this super cool outfit.)
I think I might buy a bike next month and spend a few weeks cycling around the seaside. I can just cycle
Away from all this crap.

I am now very very looking forward to Jupiter in Aries so thank you for that! Have no idea how to work on north node conjunction because I kind of thought I have to try and balance both the north and south nodes but I do that anyway but having moon / venus Opp? If that
Makes sense

Thank you for your analysis
It has been really helpful
Sorry if I seem like a right drag. I’m usually nich more upbeat! Hopefully those days will come around again soon

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I am not going to get into specific details about your other issues you ask about, but I will answer your question regarding the push and pull.

I am a Virgo sun with Pisces rising. So there is a constant polarity of me being Virgo and me being Pisces.

The point is, polarity is about learning from each other.

The Pisces in me if given free rein will be messy, will eat whatever, would try to escape reality through substance abuse, or food abuse, will be overly spiritual and dreamy, and live in a cloud of movies and fantasies, will give a sympathetic ear for hours to sappy stories.

As a counterbalance, the Virgo in me makes me thoughtful about what I put in my body, makes me shun drugs and substance abuse, puts limits on my food bingeing. It makes me get off my neptunian cloud and deal with the real world and take concrete actions. It keeps me from wasting too much time listening to sappy stories. It makes me tidy up my place.

Conversely,

The Virgo in me if given free rein would be all critical and fault finding, would focus too much on the trees and not enough on the forest, would be nitpicking, hypocondriac, would keep me working till I get sick, would keep me trying to fix people.

As a counterbalance, the Pisces in me helps me to release judgement, look at the bigger picture, urges me to eat whatever I want once in a while guiltlessly, makes me take time to to smell the roses instead of working so much, and to stop trying to fix people, and value connection with the Divine.

posted February 03, 2022 05:56 PM            

If I were you, I would read as much as I can on Moon in Taurus, and Saturn in Sagg to understand what each mean. I would see how much each description I relate to. And when I feel I have enough of an understanding of each of these aspects, I would then explore how I can balance them, meaning, how I can have the best of both aspects, and how each aspect can help the other.

You also want to make sure to look at the house where each planet is located so that you have a greater understanding where their effects are.