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SimplyLuna
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posted April 15, 2023 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm confused. (as always haha)
My birth chart is set up with Cancer rising [6°] with Mercury conjunct MC Pisces. So I feel I have Cancer/Moon and Gemini/Mercury tendency and Pisces. If I set my rising to Gemini 29º, my Moon trines the ASC while Jupiter conjunct MC. Similar flavor?

Anyhoot! Reason I'm bringing this up because I have a few encounters. #1 Who's Sun is at 29° in Gemini. I see myself in her. The things she says is something I would say. She gas me up and tells me how she wants to think the way I do 🥰 (I feel light up). This isn't something I feel with Cancer Sun close to my ASC. So *shrugs* Not sure why. I should be right?
Then #2 Someone's Mars in Cancer 0º, I find him physically my type the first time I saw him. Him Sideways. Front-way, Back (the whole 360º). It was WEIRD and I can't pinpoint how or why. I'm trying to rationalize this as I met someone close to my ASC before. They have similar body shape/height and the Cancer belly, except I don't feel attracted to the latter.

So I waited for transit Mars (thanks Aries23 for this lovely advice <3) approaching 28º in Gemini, I felt restless and energetic. Feeling like an energetic boost talking to people around me and extra bubbly. The energy is different when it conjunct my ASC. I felt hypersensitive (thinking negative thoughts, it was squaring my Sun as well). So it's hard to tell which is my ASC and where between Gemini 29º through Cancer 6º.

If Gemini isn't my rising sign, can someone tell me what do you think could be the astrological reason Gemini 29º- Cancer 0º profoundly impact me in comparison when it someone's Venus, Mars and Sun conjunct my ASC?

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Aries23Degrees
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posted April 15, 2023 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Simply Luna.Glad i was of some assistance

Can you describe more in detail what occurred when trans Mars was square your Sun?

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SimplyLuna
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posted April 15, 2023 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiyeee Aries23!! 😊😆 ofc! It was in my mind. I waited for the right time to observe and met two co-workers along the way The timing is crazy.

During the tMars square Sun, I was getting agitated, annoyed and less patience with the people I had distance myself with (but no reaction from my end - I was observing my emotions). My old thought patterns surfaced and I've been working to let go. It also felt like I was reminded to keep my boundaries in tact because they slowly start sneaking into my life again comfortably. I wonder if it could be my natal Pluto involved too (I have a close orb with Sun/Pluto inconjunction). I was accepting to lose them completely if I have to. They were attach to my old identity - which I no longer provide.

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posted April 16, 2023 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mee_chryssa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Transits have their peak at the exact degree and then they fade out. When I had my Mars return, I got into a dissagrement at work exactly in the day that it was exact and then everything was solved after that day. So the energy is building up in the applying period until exact when it has its peak for the event to manifest. After the exact aspect, it stops and everything returns to normal. Of course, with the consequences of the event, either good or bad.

You could have been so energetic when it was in Gemini because you have on the opposite end your natal Mars in Sagittarius at the 29 degrees, so it was aspecting your natal Mars at the same time. Your Mars also aspects any planet that will fall in synastry between 20-30 degrees of Gemini.

Oppositions are a back and forth energy, so it's not the same as Mars return. Mars return is a bit more aggresive.

And with the Cancer Mars on the ASC in synastry, the first guy could have had more in the natal that was attractive to you than the second one. Maybe the ASC is one more fitting for your taste, or a different Sun or Venus which could lead to a different expression and behaviour.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted April 17, 2023 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun being affected in house 10(if Cancer is Ascending) would have been related to work(10th) and values/self esteem(2nd house cusp is Leo)

So Mars trans to Sun would be pressure around work. Maybe an assignment that is due/ report that needs to be handed in. Something urgent which has a cut-off date and increases the tension between you and colleagues.

With Sun also affecting the 2nd house it may also suggest additional/unforeseen spending. Maybe losing an object and having to replace it or buying something that can't wait that puts your bank balance off balance ?

I know that Mars aspecting ruler of my 2nd house tends to make impulse buying an issue. We get a lot of buyer's remorse as a result of spending money and (post that) finding that the amount of money spent was "wasteful expenditure" etc.

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posted April 17, 2023 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What you are proposing is not uncommon at all. In my experience doing very technical rectification work and research I've found that most birth charts (even if cast according to a to-the-minute recorded birth time) are at least 2° off on the Asc. A significant percentage have a wider discrepancy than that. The most common chart adjustment needed is back to the prior rising sign.

Based on what you've said and what I see with your loka planets, I do think it is possible your Asc should be placed earlier in Cancer or even back into late Gemini.

However, there are some planet aspects to consider. Not that it negates what you've noticed in the synastry with others, but something to consider. Mercury up high in Pisces: very mutable. Neptune opposite and/or contra-parallel Asc: another mutable 'confusion' factor. Plus Mars & Uranus in mutable Sagittarius: at 23.5 & 23.3 south declcination they are contra-parallel Asc in early to mid-Cancer.

Not that you are unfamiliar with the differences between Cancer and Gemini, but maybe it will become clear enough for you to know for yourself by reading my rising sign descriptions for the two: http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs/#gemini

Knowing the sign, of course, doesn't determine the correct degree. That is more challenging with these signs at the extremes of declination (late Gemini and early Cancer = 23° north). But I have a lot of experience doing it and it's not hard with the number of life events that you've certainly had by your mid-30s.

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posted April 19, 2023 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you were Gemini rising, you would have Mars on the descendant or in the 7th house.

A good way to find out is to examine who you are naturally attracted to. Do you find yourself attracted to men who are in great shape, men who are masculine, athletic? And since your Mars would be in Sagg, these men also may be foreigners, or a bit wild and untamed. If not, then you probably have Mars in the 6th house, and are Cancer rising.

I have Mars on the descendant and I have always been drawn to men who are athletic, men who have martial arts experience, men who are courageous... But I am not into jocks, my men also have to be intelligent and smart because my Mars is in Mercurial Virgo, lol.

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posted April 21, 2023 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries23Degrees
OH yes! It did affected my self esteem and re-visited my values and it was related to friends in general for me. Could there be a possibility my Sun sits in 11H? I feel I'm going down a rabbit hole. haha

I was going through stress at work around the time tMars square Jupiter 9H because of a new process change dramatically and interferred with my job performance/routine. Jupiter rules my 10H/9H. Maybe I am a Cap DSC if we based off whole signs?
Aries you're a genius, my bank balance was off due to a tax correction. It came out of no where to me.

Kannon McAfee
Hahaha oh no, is it possible to be both? I appreciate the explanation. I can resonate with both Gemini Rising and Cancer. I do remember having my chart rectified from you few years ago at Cancer 0º. But I can't explain my Gemini tendency. Maybe Mercury near MC is that powerful? Or is it the mutable angles and planets in mutable signs near my angle?

Belage, I have reflected on that and it brings more confusion. For example, if my DSC is cap, the ruler would be in Sag as well and if it's Sag dsc the ruler is in 10th. My sun is already ruled by Mars. I am attracted to men who can share their culture, something I do not know of esp. Or teach me something different and new. They're usually not as Americanize I say (I grow up in the US). They're usually smiley or happy looking if that counts. But I am not into someone who parties, drinks, or have no control or limits. Someone too adventurous turns me off. I'm pretty passive in dating for a Venus Aries because I like someone masculine in terms of initiating and taking actions. Physically, I find myself someone with a baby face. 😂 so I dunno. If I think about it I also have Neptune in 7th. So soft features are prefered. They usually get lost through playing games, hobbies, music, even weed. And they can be also Uranian. Their chart usually have Aquarius or/and conjunct Uranus.

I'm absorbing everything here. They're all great input to my ASC discovery. Im definitely going to keep an eye out on the transits again and synastry. Gemini29º/Cancer0º seems sensitive to my chart. An old great friend also had Gemini 29º Venus and a signicant person in my life had Capricorn 1º Sun/Uranus. But if anyone has more input, please share with me your thoughts.

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posted April 21, 2023 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I waited for transit Mars (thanks Aries23 for this lovely advice <3) approaching 28º in Gemini, I felt restless and energetic. Feeling like an energetic boost talking to people around me and extra bubbly. The energy is different when it conjunct my ASC. I felt hypersensitive (thinking negative thoughts, it was squaring my Sun as well). So it's hard to tell which is my ASC and where between Gemini 29º through Cancer 6º.

Transit Mars in 28Gem -1Cap would interact with your natal Mars in 29 Sag. Mars opposition Mars would trigger irritability and defensiveness too. Anger can surface quickly. Mars in our chart is where we show our fangs and threaten to bite and(if necessary)follow through.

With Gem Asc, Mars Gemini would transit your Mars in Sagittarius in house 7(whole sign). Mars would rule the Aries 11th house of friendships and Scorpio 6th house of work.

Mars connecting 6th and 11th house would suggest that Gem Asc may have a hard time making friends or have issues at work. Mars tends to bring out the "ugly" in others and (in many cases) us too.

Maybe there is competition/jealousy or envy with co-workers that one collaborates with? One has to watch their back when it comes to being undermined by friends/colleagues especially at work? A sense of alienation is typical with Gem Asc when it comes to the people that one works with.

It can also be the case when trying to make friends, animosity tends to be the result or there is a sudden fallout?

In your case Neptune/Uranus is on Mars. So the issues tend to surface as something that catches you offguard (Ura)and seems shady and/or underhanded(Nep).

The betrayal of a close friend? Colleagues working behind the scenes to undermine you? It comes up very suddenly (Ura) and is difficult to discern(Neptune).

This may also result in partnerships abruptly ending(Mars in 7th house of partners)? Or there is some confusion and inconsistency in the partnerships you make that become apparent "after the fact" i.e. partners that disappear? have dependency issues? are not trustworthy? etc .

Asc in Cancer would put Mars in the 8th house. Mars would also rule 5th house Sco and 10th house Aries.

Cancer Asc has Mars connecting 10th house and 5th house. This Asc is very creative. As such, work(10th) has a lot creativity (5th). Maybe the career(10th) involves children/ young people (5th)? Developing young people? Or one's efforts in the career(10th) are geared towards pleasure/leisure(5th) i.e. running an events company? a party planner?

With Mars in 8th, clients could be inconsistent (Ura) making it difficult for you to consistently pay your bills or honor your own expenses? Or they would just disappear(Nep) on you without paying?

So Mars in 8th could involve some issues with other people's money(8th)?Tax issues? inheritance issues? Being charged an exorbitant interest rate for a loan? Issues with having people pay back the money they owe you OR you them? 8th house highlights issues with joint assets.

Also likely is that you could be too trusting of your money and open a joint account with someone dodgy(Nep) and inconsistent(Ura).A partnership situation that may end up landing you in court or having you to fight for your share of the money?

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posted April 21, 2023 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
Belage, I have reflected on that and it brings more confusion. For example, if my DSC is cap, the ruler would be in Sag as well and if it's Sag dsc the ruler is in 10th. My sun is already ruled by Mars. I am attracted to men who can share their culture, something I do not know of esp. Or teach me something different and new. They're usually not as Americanize I say (I grow up in the US). They're usually smiley or happy looking if that counts. But I am not into someone who parties, drinks, or have no control or limits. Someone too adventurous turns me off. I'm pretty passive in dating for a Venus Aries because I like someone masculine in terms of initiating and taking actions. Physically, I find myself someone with a baby face. 😂 so I dunno. If I think about it I also have Neptune in 7th. So soft features are prefered. They usually get lost through playing games, hobbies, music, even weed. And they can be also Uranian. Their chart usually have Aquarius or/and conjunct Uranus.

I feel you are overthinking this, lol. Let's try something else. Look at the men you end up dating or being in a relationship with, I am not asking about people you are attracted to anymore.

Of the men you have dated in the past:

1) Are they the athletic type?__________ NOTE: Did they used to practice intensely some kind of sport? or are they practicing intensely some kind of sport or physical activity?

2) Are they foreigners or from a country different than yours?_______

3) Do they come from a different culture than you?_____

4) Do they speak a different language than the language you speak?_____

5) Are they a bit undomesticated? _________The type that resist having perfect social manners...The type that doesn't like to be tied down...

6) Are they well travelled or are always moving or have moved numerous times? ________

I think if you can say yes to 4 out of the 6 questions, you are probably Gemini rising with Sagg Mars in the 7th house.

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posted April 21, 2023 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:

Kannon McAfee
Hahaha oh no, is it possible to be both?


In a sense, yes. A person can have Asc in the last couple degrees or so of a sign, which puts the next sign over most or all of the rest of the 1st house. That does create a bit of a mixture of the two signs in terms of personality. The Asc may be in one sign, but the next sign is still very much a part of the personality as a secondary factor.

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I appreciate the explanation. I can resonate with both Gemini Rising and Cancer. I do remember having my chart rectified from you few years ago at Cancer 0º.

Then you have your answer.

I guess I had forgotten, or at least forgotten your online moniker here. If you believe that I may have made a mistake then email me through my website with any extra life events or info since I worked on it before. I will go over it, no charge, and make sure it is correct.

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But I can't explain my Gemini tendency. Maybe Mercury near MC is that powerful?

It contributes, but by itself no. It gets some emphasis there, but it is not strong in your chart. In Pisces, it is actually contributing to the confusion. It is easy for you to imagine different scenarios, whether or not they are true. Mercury is one of your two weakest planets (along with Mars). You could actually use a Mercury gem/crystal to boost it: Emerald, Green Tourmaline, or Peridot. These promote clarity of mind and thinking process.

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Or is it the mutable angles and planets in mutable signs near my angle?

Yes, there is considerable mutability in your chart: 4 planets in mutable signs + 5 in fire signs = Mutable Fire signature (similar to Sagittarius).

With your "confused" thinking the main influence (besides Mercury in Pisces) is Neptune:
opposite/contra-parallel Asc in the Moon ruled water sign — and square to your Sun. In the context of the Mutable Fire type, it shows tendencies of changing, shifting perceptions, ideas, or beliefs.

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SimplyLuna
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posted April 22, 2023 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries23Degrees
aww 🥺 I didn't expect a detailed and thoughtful post. I think I resonate with Gemini ASC most.

Making friends is hard for me because there seem to be a fog between us? It gets revealed later on if this is a close friendship or acquaintance. Once the fog's lifted, I'm shock at the thought it's not what I thought it was, and we suddenly have a fall out (I get disappointed) - some did lead to arguments (part of it is my bluntness when I address some things) and some just disappear without a word. My life lesson now is to wait it out and not idealize the friendships/relationships/people and hope we are on the same page or aligned. With coworkers => competitiveness (they find me very ambitious/threat) 😅 - I have good work ethic. Luckily, I am getting better at trusting my intuition. 💖

For Cancer ASC, I'm not sure if I look at my chart incorrecrtly, would my Mars fall in the 6H?
hahah noooo. I grew up with family/money that broke apart due to this reason. Betrayal and money/asset loss. Even til today, it's a problem within my family . This is one thing I have discernment for. It takes a lot of trust for me. I'm generally very trusting but if money/assets involve, I am cautious. I work in a technology field (robots and artificial intelligence - I don't know how I got myself there but it would be nice not to work and pursue my hobbies for fun).

Belage
lolol, I do that sometimes - it's the Neptune fog confusion and Mercury Pisces 😂 I meant to say the ones I've dated, not sure why I didn't state that. That's why I love speaking to others for guidance. I answer yes 2 out of 6 (#3/#4). My recent partner fits 4 out of 6. but lets go with 2 out of 6.

Kannon McAfee
I would love that! For a second round to see. So the cusp is not a myth? This is mind blowing for me. Can I ask how do weak planets play out? Does it try to compensate in some ways?
Confusion is an understatement. If I have to describe my life, I navigate life with earplugs and wrong glass prescription. (metaphorically, ofc). I'm not sure how I made it and fortunate I did.

thank you ~ thank you~ for the generous knowledge here. I'm so grateful, you have no idea 🥺 🌹🌷✨

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