posted May 19, 2023 08:40 PM            

Expansion+ power of Jupiter:
Moon= 12
Mercury 365÷88= 4.14 (88 days to complete cycle around sun)
Venus 365÷225= 1.62
Sun= 1
Mars 365÷687= 0.52
Saturn= 365÷10,756= 0.33

Share your opinion about Jupiter's association with expansion and its exaltation

Does Jupiter have a standard same expansion power for every planet? It depends only on the orb??

posted May 20, 2023 08:50 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by ithinkimightbewrong:
one thing i don't like about jupiter is i feel it doesn't know when to stop...at least that's been my experience with it

---

posted May 20, 2023 11:34 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by ithinkimightbewrong:
one thing i don't like about jupiter is i feel it doesn't know when to stop...at least that's been my experience with it

---

posted May 22, 2023 04:52 PM            

Jupiter could give bad results only afflicted, or better said, it doesn't give results. Benefics have their purpose for existing and that's for giving life, happiness, luck, laughter, etc. When it is afflicted, it would give bad results, no results, or making someone to work harder to obtain happiness, fullfilment.

posted May 24, 2023 01:57 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by GoldenSword:
After thinking about it, now I understand why its signifator of life it has to do with vesica piscis and being the last fire sign, Both sides(+and-) of Jupiter are working together.

---

posted May 24, 2023 02:57 AM            

In combination with other planets, it makes you see the more positive attributes of that planet more than the negatives. It might cause to take more risks in that specific area. The cold hard facts and possible downsides won’t stop you because they don’t seem to matter that much when Jupiter is involved. That’s probably why Jupiter and Moon are a pleasant combination, it will make you worry less and help you trust in a positive outcome.

posted May 24, 2023 10:38 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by GoldenSword:
After thinking about it, now I understand why its signifator of life it has to do with vesica piscis and being the last fire sign, Both sides(+and-) of Jupiter are working together.

---

posted May 24, 2023 11:23 AM            

Every planet has good and shadow side. Nothing is 100% holly.

posted May 24, 2023 11:41 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Librapurr:
…
I looked at Jeff Bezos gf with that shameless I’m a queen of the world who outdid everybody attitude. They have a very messy story. She was his friend’s wife and he was married also. Saggi Sun Venus, bunch of Jupiter. People (even famous) got canceled and shamed for less. If it would be somebody else she wouldn’t get away with that story so easy and would not walk that proud in public after that public messy cheating and stealing the richest man.
Here is the Saggi luck and the high ground. It was said she is a siren who put a spell on Bezos.

---

posted May 24, 2023 03:37 PM            

Planets that have no essential dignity are lost and encounter lots of setbacks in life because they are not on the right path amd they don't know where to go.
Meanwhile a planet in detriment knows where to go but took the wrong turn.
Planets in fall are at the bottom and striving for their exaltation.

Its not the fault of the sign, it just comes down to how that planet feels in that sign and how it works.

posted May 26, 2023 10:32 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Librapurr, depends o which planets are in Sagittarius. Not all function well. Lile mercury is in detriment in this sign and that would be someone that could lie a lot, have lots of confusion, not having a logical mind, not making themselves understood.

Planets that have no essential dignity are lost and encounter lots of setbacks in life because they are not on the right path amd they don't know where to go.
Meanwhile a planet in detriment knows where to go but took the wrong turn.
Planets in fall are at the bottom and striving for their exaltation.

Its not the fault of the sign, it just comes down to how that planet feels in that sign and how it works.

Imagine composing a song and putting two notes from different keys that don't relate well at all with one another.

---

Sagittarius has Jupiter luck. A salesperson needs luck and lies. Saggy Mercury being at detriment here would be advantage. It’s not easy to make something look good with Scorpio Mercury. I don’t think exalted Mercury in Virgo would be much better here also (unless you’re selling something very good quality) lol

posted May 26, 2023 11:32 AM            

But I want to point out what Traditional Astrology say, it written in Hellenistic Ancient astrology book. Detriment is WORST than Fall.
In the Planetary Strength Score: Detriment is -5 (minus 5 points), Fall is -4 (minus 4 points).

Why? Because Detriment is the opposite of Domicile/Rulership. Fall is the opposite of Exalted.
And Rulership/Domicile get 5 points in the Planetary Strength Score, while Exalted get only 4 points.

Remember this, DOMICILE you are in your own home, you are the home owner. Exalted you are a VIP guess. You the Exalted is NOT the home owner, you are the VIP guess. Home owner is the one that in it Home sign/Rulership sign.

And I follow this table Rulership:

posted May 27, 2023 02:29 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by married11years:
I only read Hellenistic and Medieval astrology books: Valens, Firmicus, Ptolemy, Bonatti, Rhetorius, Dorotheus, Abu Mashar, etc.. I don't follow modern, so I don't know the modern interpretation of things.

But I want to point out what Traditional Astrology say, it written in Hellenistic Ancient astrology book. Detriment is WORST than Fall.
In the Planetary Strength Score: Detriment is -5 (minus 5 points), Fall is -4 (minus 4 points).

Why? Because Detriment is the opposite of Domicile/Rulership. Fall is the opposite of Exalted.
And Rulership/Domicile get 5 points in the Planetary Strength Score, while Exalted get only 4 points.

Remember this, DOMICILE you are in your own home, you are the home owner. Exalted you are a VIP guess. You the Exalted is NOT the home owner, you are the VIP guess. Home owner is the one that in it Home sign/Rulership sign.

And I follow this table Rulership:

---

Yes, detriment is worst than fall because the fall position of a planet is saved by the triplicity that sign has. For example, Virgo has its fall in Venus, but it's saved by triplicity because the feminine signs are in triplicity to Moon Venus and Mars. I hope I said it well. I can't find my words in english to explain this.

The exalted planets are a bit crazy. Sometimes you will find that the person forgets about important things that are needed in their life to continue with that energy, so to say... mars in capricorn will be so focused on their goal that they would not have a personal life. Starves themselves of family life to obtain the public recognition. Venus in Pisces believes that dream of having a connection that is above all that often they attach themselves to unatainable. Moon in Taurus expresses emotions a lot later than it should have since Moon in Cancer is immediately. In Taurus needs time to think.

They all have their benefits, but exaltation means a fall too at some point. Mars to the lack of their personal life or other needs that they neglected to fullfill that goal, Venus to the reality that is not even a real relationship, Moon to the loss of personal safety, depression anxiety for not expressing when was needed.

posted May 27, 2023 03:02 PM            

Its layered from the highest to the lower.

posted May 27, 2023 05:46 PM            

btw, maybe you should check Billionaire charts, there those who has Capricorn Jupiter. There nothing but hard work with Capricorn Jupiter, nothing come for free for them, Capricorn Jupiter it all about practical and hard work. You know it rule by Saturn, and Saturn will starve and restrict the nature of Jupiter.
I'm sure you know alot of astrology enough to know what Astrology said about Capricorn Jupiter.

posted May 27, 2023 10:54 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
@GoldenSword, It’s an interesting take to look at the opposite signs, Gemini and Virgo. Both are Mercury ruled. This gives more clues about the nature of Jupiter. Its outlook on life isn’t necessarily based on logic or practicality. It’s all about optimism and seeing the positive side of things. So its expanding effects come from the notion that you tend to notice only the benefits and not so much the downside. Jupiter is also known as the “gambler”.

In combination with other planets, it makes you see the more positive attributes of that planet more than the negatives. It might cause to take more risks in that specific area. The cold hard facts and possible downsides won’t stop you because they don’t seem to matter that much when Jupiter is involved. That’s probably why Jupiter and Moon are a pleasant combination, it will make you worry less and help you trust in a positive outcome.

https://youtu.be/d-diB65scQU

---

posted May 27, 2023 11:16 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Jupiter rules Sagittarius and Pisces traditionally. I wouldn't recommend using the modern rulership for understanding the nature of planets. Jupiter in Sagittarius has its limits and is bound to religion, law, morals, philosophy. Jupiter in Pisces has more of the true qualities of Jupiter which is optimism, trusting in something higher than yourself, God, going with the flow, taking the leap even if you don't know where you're headed. All this comes without knowing, pure intuition. With Sagittarius, is because they study it, which is core trait of Sagittarius sign.
Pisces is a forgiving sign and compasionate, meanwhile Sagittarius forgiveness comes due to a philosophy they have.

---

posted May 28, 2023 11:48 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Librapurr, lets say that in that persons chart, mercury is in sagittarius and rules the 2nd house, this is someone that loses money all the time and if he or she is a sales person, then they will not finish deals, or they will deal with shaddy persons. If Mercury were in Virgo or in domicile Gemini, this person will have huge deals and earn a lot. Often, there is something else in the chart to help the native like a good mars or saturn, or maybe the ruler of mercury which would be Jupiter is in good dignity and it doesn't get that far and there would be a back and forth and helps the person to learn and evolve. Or the 11th house is ok and doesn't have malefics in it or the ruler is in good dignity.

Its layered from the highest to the lower.

Having the luck of jupiter it has to be on the angles, in good dignity - domicile or exaltation. The aspects of Jupiter trine conjunction or opposition bring lots of luck. Having planets in Sagittarius doesn't mean that that person is a jupiterian because planetary aspects are a lot more stronger than the signs.

---

posted May 31, 2023 03:17 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Jupiter exaltation sign is in Cancer because the Moon is asociated with emotions, soul, the mother, giving birth.

---

Sorry I've made a mistake because the difference in language and many people confuses soul with spirit. It is the soul you are right.

posted June 01, 2023 05:16 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by married11years:
The general statement of yours that Fall is "worst" than Detriment above in your other replied is what I disagreed with. Because that is a general statement making of 7 inner planets here.
We not talking about case by case here, like Venus for example where she has Triplicities.

btw, maybe you should check Billionaire charts, there those who has Capricorn Jupiter. There nothing but hard work with Capricorn Jupiter, nothing come for free for them, Capricorn Jupiter it all about practical and hard work. You know it rule by Saturn, and Saturn will starve and restrict the nature of Jupiter.
I'm sure you know alot of astrology enough to know what Astrology said about Capricorn Jupiter.

I rest my case on this as I have my view and I study enough Hellenistic Astrology on what the textbook says about Detriment vs Fall, I don't study modern astrology, I go strictly what Hellenistic and Medieval books said, and in there it say Detriment is worst than Fall, and that is the general rule. Not go down by each planets one by one to check, like Venus for example.

---

Hi, it would be helpfull to study case by case too. Because a planet has triplicity in the fall position with the domicile sign only gives it a small chance of light. Its like being at the bottom of a well and you see the exit - the sky - but you have to climb it. That's why it is calculated as less troublesome than the detriment. But that planet sees the Sky which is the exaltation of it, not the domicile. A fall planet is starved almost to death if it doesnt receive any help from its ruler or other aspects from other benefics to help her out.

In terms of what is worse - detriment or fall - I dont know. In the end, it's a matter of what someone can handle.

For your information, I have knowledge too about hellenistic astrology. Not only hellenistic.