posted January 05, 2010 11:04 AM         

It's great to see so many people without sin.

I hope it's not out of line for me to defend myself now.

First, we obviously need to go back to where this all began to get personal. It should be noted that nothing got personal, no names were mentioned, nobody's mother was alluded to, and nobody was condemned as an outcast, until Wheels replied on the first page of my "Working Man" thread.

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...lazy - yes, the LAZY (aka "dreamers")...

...lazy benefit-cheating,
Funded by the Bank of Mum and Dad "dreamers"...

Please tell me you're not serious with this utter crap because if you are I might kill myself right now. How's your mum's job working out? She a bit tired come Friday too?

If you were after a description of the word "hypocrisy" then I think I know where I can point you. Hang on, I think I may also be able to help you out with "cod philosophy". Even Jesus was a carpenter. What are you? This is a joke, would be funny if it didn't make me want to cry.

Your contempt for those who actually take responsibility for themselves is unbelievable.

Oh me oh my

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posted January 05, 2010 11:05 AM         

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...they phone me up at work demanding my attention when they have a crisis, like someone looked at them wrong, or the dog got out of the house. Bless em! I really depend on them for the meaning in my life, silly me for not seeing it. I was too tired from my 2 hour daily commute to realise it. Thanks for pointing this out...

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Evidently, Wheels, you wish to associate me with these friends, or "acquaintances" of yours. Would it surprise you to find that I am not generally the one making, but taking such calls, when people like you refuse to pick up? And that I am here trying to promote ways to care for those people, so they don't end up calling folks like you at work? While you may project their behaviors onto me, the truth is I rarely make those calls. I get it out in my writing, and people like you read it for their own reasons, and then make it their business to reprimand or correct me, -- usually by completely missing my point.

When I criticize a type, Wheels, I do it as a scientist, peering through a microscope. I show you something admittedly miniscule, in relation to the whole, but real, and worthy of asserting, if only because it is commonly denied. When you look through a microscope, the image is enlarged, but it is still tiny, and it is still just one thing. It is as if I were to describe an animal, but only one small part of that animal, which interests me particularly, because it offends me and/or interferes with me, in some way. When I have described this aspect, offensive to me, but not necessarily offensive to God, somebody like you, or juni, or shura, or whoever, comes in and tells me that I have misrepresented the animal. When I object that I have only depicted an aspect of the animal, and that the remainder of the depiction is to be found in other comments I have made, they call me a liar. They can't seem to understand how I could see the faults, -- or what appear to me as faults, or imbalances, -- and still see what is best, or what seems best to me. Or, that I could see so deeply and feelingly into the former things, and still see the latter. The more I depicted the various aspects of the animal, the more they would confront me with my depictions of one aspect and tell me that this was, and must remain, my depiction of the entire animal. It's almost as if these people cannot, or cannot bother to, think with any subtlety or multidimensionality, and are doomed to see you condemning in its entirety everything that you merely criticize in part. As if they must consider every statement you make as your last word on the matter, to which nothing may be added or taken away. Or maybe they only respond this way to me, and to others whom they have pre-decided not to understand?

Wheels made a brief, ignorant response to me and blocked me from responding to her again. I then began a thread here, for several reasons, which I knew she would see. Now I realize that many people cannot seem to conceive of the notion of doing something for more than one reason, or for many reasons, none of which, -- or, not all of which, -- on their own, would be enough to compel the act. But, nonetheless, this is what happened. Wheels response, and other things I've heard, got me thinking about the topic of manipulation and what constitutes manipulation. In case any of you don't know yet, examining and defining things like this, -- vices, virtues, concepts and archetypes, -- is what I do. So, whether or not Wheels read and posted here at LL, I probably still would have posted the thread; because my issue is not just with Wheels, but with everybody who thinks and feels as she does on this matter.

Wheels then replied on my thread by airing our private conflict and comments which I had made to her in private. She clearly knew what she was doing, as she even said something to the effect of: "I don't care if I get kicked out for this". She proclaims me a master manipulator. So powerful a manipulator am I, that, without breaking any of the rules of LL, I got her to break the rules of LL. How devious am I! So manipulative, I got her to publicly insult me (making reference to my mother) just by sharing my views in a thread started by me. How did I know she would open the "Working Man" thread and read it? How did I get her to do that? Because I am a manipulative mastermind, of course! And I must have known those public insults would provoke me into a severe depressive episode, causing me to plead for mercy from her in private. And all just to manipulate her into blocking me. I bet you thought she blocked me in order to manipulate me into posting about it here. No, of course not, she's not devious enough for that. It was I who masterminded the entire unfoldment of events! I knew that, when she blocked me after calling me manipulative, it would provoke me to think and write about manipulation and to respond indirectly to her here. And, naturally, by not breaking any LL rules, or mentioning any names or pointing any fingers, I cunningly manuevered Wheels into blurting out private information, and a lot more insults towards myself. Just as I planned it. LMMFAO

Okay, I think that does it for me.

posted January 05, 2010 11:05 AM         

Also,

I want to thank Yin for her support, without which I probably would not be alive today. She knows, and the Lord knows, that I tell her every day how grateful I am for her, and how much I love her. I highly recommend to anyone who is missing this kind of support in their life to find someone. I looked and looked, and kissed a lot of frogs, before I found my princess. Rather than try to convince myself and others that mortals are islands who can only find true connection within, I held on to my faith in personal love, and kept searching. I finally found one of the kindest, most sane, compassionate, understanding, generous, supportive, and capable people in the world. And I liberated her from a life where she was equally unloved and unfulfilled. For all of that, I am grateful, every single day.

posted January 05, 2010 11:06 AM         

To qualify you must have 5 or more of the following...

Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

Requires excessive admiration

Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

Lacks empathy: Is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her

Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

These people are also referred to as emotional vampires.

Narcissitic Personality Disorder

To qualify you must have 5 or more of the following...

Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

Requires excessive admiration

Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

Lacks empathy: Is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her

Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

These people are also referred to as emotional vampires.

Narcissitic Personality Disorder

To qualify you must have 5 or more of the following...

Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

Requires excessive admiration

Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

Lacks empathy: Is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her

Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

These people are also referred to as emotional vampires.

posted January 05, 2010 11:21 AM         

Sorry to hear about your cousin,
and about her grandmother, too.

Things like that always remind
me how fragile we all really are,
and how gentle we need to be,
especially with "sensitives".

I'd like to help create a world
where sensitivity is respected,
and things like that don't happen.

Thank you for not barring the way.

posted January 05, 2010 11:21 AM         

To qualify you must have 5 or more of the following...

Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

Requires excessive admiration

Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

Lacks empathy: Is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her

Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

These people are also referred to as emotional vampires.

posted January 05, 2010 01:58 PM         

Here's to the grey areas,
the black and white, and all the
colors and shades of the rainbow.
True seeing encompasses all.

Thanks for the "comeuppance",
and for sharing your perspective
on the title of the thread.

All the best.

posted January 05, 2010 02:14 PM         

No no no I meant that you were maybe giving me the comeuppance ... although not consciously. And it was a lighthearted remark.

posted January 05, 2010 02:18 PM         

Okay. Thanks. Accepted.

>No no no I meant that you were maybe giving me the comeuppance ... although not consciously. And it was a lighthearted remark.

Oh.

>It's hopeless, isn't it?

There's hope in every word I type.

And that's a lot of words.

posted January 05, 2010 04:31 PM         

I hope everyone involved is feeling loved, supported and healed