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Valus
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posted January 13, 2010 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
I tinker in the liminal space, where idioms go to die, in a flail of poorly mixed metaphors, implications, and asides. My mental universe houses Brahma, Neptune, Jehovah, and many more besides. I don't fuss over paradox. I am a citizen of the imagination.

Sequestered in confusion, so that I might be open to the suggestion of a stranger -- to a stranger suggestion; to music in the mind; to found words, I never knew the meaning of, and had to make my own; like alien instruments I could never play, but knocked against the rocks, and was happy if they only made a novel sound.

Ideas, that, in some other order, might harmonize the cosmos, I took for simple chalks and paints, and arranged according to my taste. As a metaphysician, I was no rigorous explorer and scientist, but a visionary; an artist. I did not seek sense in things, but demanded that things have no sense at all apart from the sense which I, according to my inspired whims, attributed to them.

Out of an apparently chaotic universe, I could make and unmake a thousand likely schemes. But what I could not allow, -- what I could never even permit myself to consider, for more than a trembling moment -- was the possibility that a truth existed; a single truth, which one must find, and endeavor, with all one's strength, to come into alignment with; or else, leave unfound, but governing one's actions nonetheless, albeit unconsciously and in secret.

If such a proposition was considered, I swear, it could only have been for an instant, and never in all sincerity. For the true artist's heart refuses to respect any authority but it's own. To be an artist is to create, but if there is a Creator, and a Creation submissive to His will, then what is there left to create?

If man is made in the image of God, then the artist must be made in the spitting image of God; jealous, and unable to abide any other gods before him. The artist dispenses with God in order that he may exemplify Him; in order that he may create, as God creates, but on a level congenial to himself.

Only for the artist has Creation not been exhausted. Only for the artist are all things superabundant still. Laws are not laws. Circles are not round. If he suspects it, it is possible. If he thinks it, it is so. If he doubts it, suddenly, all is dispersed, and it is as though the thing had never been. Worlds come into being underneath his ponderous eye, only to be annihilated, when he yawns and turns away.

While other men scramble with one another, like rats fighting over a clod of cheese, he is content to be a god in his own mind. And if the world should not leave him to his daydreams, he'll respectfully take his leave of the world (which, in any case, has never held significant value for him as anything but a grist and mill for his daydreams). Who does not envy, -- or is not, at least, tempted to envy, -- this radical freedom and detachment from worldly affairs?

Many struggle to find meaning in the world, and to defend the general faith in the importance of that search for meaning. But here is a type who irreverently insists that there be no ultimate meaning, and that the only meaning which may be attributed to the world must be a meaning which he feels in his own heart. And when he ceases to feel it, it ceases to be meaningful. And then a new feeling, and a new meaning is found.

The heartbeat of the universe is his own. The eye that creates is his own seeing eye. He sleeps under a sky which exists for him alone; as the Sabbath exists for man. He gazes on the tree of life, and basks in its shade, for it sprouts from his own navel.

Now he is Vishnu, but, quicker than the thought, he has become a flaming sword in the fist of Agni. He is a dervish whirling over mountain ranges, glaciers crumbling undertoe. He is ivory in the mouth of a furious tiger. He is polished shell in the riverbed. There he is, carried up into the wind, and pulled apart like a cloud.


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koiflower
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posted January 13, 2010 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
No part of this excellent work can be reproduced, copied in any form, or sold - only by Valus.

Now use all of your stuff to write a book about your journey through a world.... Get cracking!!!

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Valus
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posted January 13, 2010 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

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Yin
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posted January 13, 2010 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message

How wonderful to wake up to this.
Thank you.

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LEXX
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posted January 13, 2010 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
So where did that information come from? Sounds familiar.

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Valus
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posted January 13, 2010 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Thanks, Yin.
You're welcome.


What "information"?
It's poetry, not data.
It came from my soul, LEXX.
Doesn't all good writing sound familiar?

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LEXX
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posted January 13, 2010 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
It just sounded familiar.
Such concepts are not new, nor orginal concepts.
quote:
liminal
1884, a rare word, from L. limen "threshold." Related: Liminality.

The bailiwick of Ecopoetics, ecopoets, and so forth such as Walden and Beatnicks....and many others.
Since this is not new information/"poetry" (?), I simply wondered from whence (sources)you came upon the basic concepts/content, before putting it into your own sequences/form/style. (which is an interesting form/style)
I assume you have and do read books of works of others.
I did not wake up one day interested/knowing in some things until introduced to them and the concepts.
Some came from grandparents, some from books, and so forth.


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koiflower
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posted January 13, 2010 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Nothing is truly original - only the ability to extract the word, the feeling, the concept and create a masterpiece.

A bit like me in the kitchen - an avocado recipe is not original, but my partner runs a mile when I start 'mixing' recipes. How dare she run from my creations!!!

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Valus
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posted January 13, 2010 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

I hear you, LEXX.

The idea of liminal space was suggested to me by a friend, when I explained my affinity with the Moth totem, and how it is related to an energy that exists in the borderlands, between order and chaos; like a drunken, dancing gypsy, always coming and going, but never tied to a single meaning, interpretation, role, or place. Like the Fool tarot card, or the sign of Pisces, all things seem contained in this abandoned, idealistic dancer, who wanders to and fro, yet always seems to land on his feet. All this, I think, is connected to this idea of liminal space which really appeals to me. I relate it to Pisces on my 3rd house and Sag Mercury in my 12th; mercurial, mutable, mystical, wandering, travelling, translating. The way various philosophies, traditions, cultures, and mythologies blend, mitigate, and influence each other interests me. The archetype of the artist, as idealist, outsider, dreamer, creator, and magician, interests me... The notion of objective "versus" subjective truth... And so on.

All of these are universal themes, and my positions on them differ or agree with the positions taken by various thinkers, but, taken as a whole, my worldview is my own. And what I choose to focus on and make central in my scheme of values, is my own. I see aspects of myself, my thinking, and my style, in Rumi, Nietzsche, Seneca, Solomon, Diogenes, La Rochefoucauld, Whitman, Novalis,... among others. But I've never seen a single artist or thinker who combines all that I combine, affirms all that I affirm, and negates all that I negate. And I cannot tell you why it is that certain thinkers, styles, or insights have resonated with me, while others have not. It's what makes us unique.

Honestly, it's difficult to distinguish between what is learned and what is "brought forth" without becoming aware of how these things are inextricably bound together. My mind doesn't work that way; it's much better at finding subtle connections and passing through walls. How do I distinguish who I am from the conditions and dynamics active at the time and place of my incarnation? How do you distinguish the essential characteristics of a plant from the surrounding soil, climate, and so on, from which it draws its substance and sustenance? In what ways do I arise as a personality from the collective unconscious, as a flower arises from the forest? In what ways is my particular orientation, as an artist or philosopher, acting to compensate (or overcompensate) for various imbalances in the culture or collective? Who are my kinsmen, among writers and thinkers? Wherein have I learned from them? -- and wherein have I merely agreed with them, recognizing an affinity with my own innate and intuitive understanding? Do I think this way because I understood Nietzsche, or did I understand Nietzsche because I think this way? It's kind of like the chicken and the egg, no?

LEXX, did you know that, if you mix Cap'n Crunch with Fruity Pebbles, you can open up a portal to a parallel dimension of sugary, crunchy, cornfruity yumminess? It's true. And I don't know how original that is, but its pretty cool.

I'm flattered to think you might expect, or encourage me to exhibit, originality. I'm mostly satisfied if my work carries a liberal dose of the usual spices, if I taste flavors reminiscent of the dishes I love, and can reproduce such fine and familiar cousine on my own. If my souffle does not collapse, I am pleased, and do not fault it for being a souffle; and not some new dish of my own invention. If my palate is inspired, my belly filled, and my blood vitalized, all is well. I'm just happy to have prepared a recognizable meal. Something that reminds you of home, or some exotic, distant land. If I ever created something novel, I think it would come as a great surprise to me. I set out to make vegetable soup! Or some variation thereof.

Granted, I'm not one to follow recipes, or remember where I learned of cumin, coriander, ginger, or mace; or who first showed me how to combine this ingredient with that, in order to produce such and such a result. I follow my gut, and throw together whatever seems tastiest or most appealing to me at the moment. If the result is something new, or if it is something which has been made a billion times before, I don't care. I don't require to know it's name, if it has one, or to give it a name, if it is my own invention. I just want to eat it, and know that it is good. Also, to share it with those who might enjoy it. Hopefully, dishes you've never tasted are not the only dishes to your taste.

Have I spawned a new cuisine? My tastes are certainly peculiar. Serranos in the Masala. But who's counting? Just as long as it doesn't offend my tastebuds or my intestines with some new or tired travesty, overspiced and undercooked, -- there's nothing to say about it. Nothing but "Mangia!"

Funny that you were also
thinking about recipes, koiflower.


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LEXX
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posted January 14, 2010 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
LEXX, did you know that, if you mix Cap'n Crunch with Fruity Pebbles, you can open up a portal to a parallel dimension of sugary, crunchy, cornfruity yumminess? It's true. And I don't know how original that is, but its pretty cool.
Indeed! It is true however!
I mix all knds together, never eating only one kind at a time.
And thank you for the lucid reply. It is always interesting to hear the backstory on things one is interested in and why.

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Valus
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posted January 14, 2010 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

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LEXX
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posted January 14, 2010 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message

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Valus
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posted January 15, 2010 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message


You would do better to say, "Inexpressible and nameless is that which gives my soul agony and sweetness, and is even the hunger of my entrails." May your virtue be too exalted for the familiarity of names: and if you must speak of her, then do not be afraid to stammer of her. Then speak and stammer, "This is my good; this I love; it pleases me wholly; thus alone do I want the good. I do not want it as divine law; I do not want it as human statute and need: it shall not be a signpost for me to overearths and paradises. It is an earthly virtue that I love: there is little prudence in it, and least of all the reason of all men. But this bird build its nest with me: therefor I love and caress it; now it dwells with me, sitting on its golden eggs." Thus you shall stammer and praise your virtue.

Once you suffered passions and called them evil. But now you have only your virtues left: they grew out of your passions. You commended your highest aim to the heart of these passions; then they became the virtues and passions you enjoy. And whether you came from the race of the choleric or the voluptuous or the fanatic or the vindictive: All your passions in the end became virtues, and all your devils angels. Once you had wild dogs in your cellar: but they changed at last into birds and charming singers. Out of your poisons you brewed your balsam; you milked your cow, misery - now you drink the sweet milk of her udder. And nothing evil grows in you any longer, unless it is the evil that grows out of the conflict of your virtues.

My brother, if you are fortunate, then you will have only one virtue and no more: thus you will go more easily over the bridge. It is illustrious to have many virtues, but a hard lot; and many have gone into the desert and killed themselves, because they were weary of being the battle and battlefield of virtues. My brother, are war and battle evil? But this evil is necessary; necessary are the envy and mistrust and calumny among the virtues. Behold, how each of your virtues covets the highest place; each your whole strength, in wrath, hatred, and love. Each virtue is jealous of the others, and jealousy is a dreadful thing. Virtues too can perish of jealousy. Surrounded by the flames of jealousy, the jealous one winds up, like the scorpioin, turning the posioned sting against himself. Ah, my brother, have you never seen a virtue backbite and stab itself? Man is something that has to be overcome: and therefore you will love your virtues - for you will perish of them.


~ Friedrich Nietzsche,
"On Enjoying And Suffering The Passions",
Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Part One,
Zarathustra's Discourses - Discourse Five

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posted January 15, 2010 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
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Once you suffered passions and called them evil.
Hmmmmm.....don't ever recollect thinking or feeling my various passions were/are evil.
I can see how passions can be a cause of suffering though depending on one's reactions to such and how such passions are implemented. Perhaps they can then be seen by some as evil whether subjectively and or objectively.
If non acceptance of all factors is not taken into account, timing, reason, motivations, age of person engaging in various passions, then guilt or regret can be a result and previous actions seen as evil.
But truly, what is evil, beyond the standard definitions and objective subjective opinion?
Anagram wise it is such:
LIVE/EVIL/VILE/VEIL
then such as
ELVIS also appears!
Once into the realm of Lexigrams, the word EVIL becomes even more interesting.
LEVI EVIL LIVE VEIL VIE LIE
VILE LIVE SI I
And EVILS:
LEVIS SLIVE EVILS LIVES VEILS ISLE
VISE VEIL VIES EVIL LIES VILE LIVE
LEIS VIE LIE SI IS I

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posted January 15, 2010 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I have Elvis in my pocket, or at least Elvis mints from Graceland.

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LEXX
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posted January 15, 2010 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message

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