posted August 22, 2011 10:43 PM            

Now, my mother is in her mid sixties, her mother is more than likely dead (not sure, we've lost track of her) so HER mother, would of been with this man in.. the early part of the century?? Something like that?
Anyway, upon my research of it,
and you can find these maps where it shows
the US, and sort of superimposes the tribes over the top of where the states are now..

Anyway, Blackfoot indians were from the Dakota's, and my great-grandmother was from Ohio. Born and raised, she never left.
What would be the chances of a 100% Blackfoot Indian making his way to Ohio in the turn of the century? I mean, he wasn't a traveling salesman.
The only photo we have of him shows him in a tepee, in regular clothes, not any sort of tribal dress that might help out.

Anyway.. my point
I think people confuse tribes and for that you just have to research the facial features.
Eskimos are essentially Indians as well, and they look totally different, but their features are condusive for the type of environment that they lived in...

Move toward the warm weather and there you have a different look, all together.

Here in Ohio, we have alot of decendants of Cherokees. This area was highly populated by tribes b/c of the river access.

Cherokees are usually noted by their high cheekbones.

Have no clue if that was your question, I just felt like talking!

posted August 23, 2011 08:35 AM            

As to the topic.
I am a bit more than 1/4 Cherokee.
My great great grandmother was taken in and adopted by white folks when her parents died on the Trail Of Tears. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
Great grandpa Fate was born to her (she was already a pregnant teen) and so he was full blooded Cherokee.
He married a 1/2 white 1/2 Chickasaw woman.
More Native American came in from the paternal side.
When thin oh yes my cheekbones are high.
As to native Americans all seeming to be different physiologically;
well folks from other countries often do not take into account the size of North America.

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Third largest of the continents (including Greenland and Central America), and over twice the size of Europe.

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There were thousands of miles separating many tribes, and mountains and huge deserts, and great forests.
There was simply little to no contact betwixt for example the Eastern, Midwestern, and Western Native Americans. Then factor in North and South and of course South American and Canadian/Alaskan races and the diversity of physiological characteristics changes drastically. http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/native_americans.htm

posted August 23, 2011 08:49 AM            

1. Asia - 17,139,445 square miles (44,391,162 square km)
2. Africa - 11,677,239 square miles (30,244,049 square km)
3. North America - 9,361,791 square miles (24,247,039 square km)
4. South America - 6,880,706 square miles (17,821,029 square km)
5. Antarctica - About 5,500,000 square miles (14,245,000 square km)
6. Europe - 3,997,929 square miles (10,354,636 square km)
7. Australia - 2,967,909 square miles (7,686,884 square km)

posted August 23, 2011 12:45 PM            

Some of them were enemies and skirmished quite frequently so that's what I meant really.
The one's that lived in the same areas but were classed as different.
Could you say tell a Cherokee from a Sioux, or a Cheyenne from a Shoshone?
Are there any distinguishing physical characteristics?
Who were the most warlike or hostile to the settlers? I gather by all the Westerns I have ever watched that the Apache weren't great on diplomatic relations!
Are they embraced fully into society in USA today or is there existing racism?

And how glamourised has their culture become or is that exactly what happened? It was sanitised and glamourised?
I should imagine that a lot of Americans have some Native American blood. How interesting that must be.

posted August 23, 2011 04:29 PM            

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa_(tribe)

This link provides a likness of many tribes dress and attributes.
http://www.nanations.com/chiefs_leaders.htm

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posted August 23, 2011 11:26 PM            

It comes and it goes with what is in the media.
I remember when 'Dances With Wolves' came out and everybody was saying that they were this amount Indian or that amount, it's kind of funny actually.

I don't have the eye fold, no.
I look Italian, as that is what my father is.

It's just a certain look or maybe vibe a person has to them and when they say they are Indian, you know they are.

Indian men usually have little or no chest hair, and difficulty growing any face hair.
At least the ones in this area.
ALSO, I remember studying in college about the fact that if alcholism IS a disease, then Indians are very very susceptible to it.
Strange to say, but being a bartender all these years in this area, we all know(or share the belief from experience) that you don't want to give an Indian whiskey.
I don't mean to be offensive, and hope it doesn't come off that way, but Indians will tell you themselves do not give them spirits, they do not do well on certain liquors.

I had one friend, he was Cherokee, (now deceased) and he made sure that he spoke to every new bartender and told them no matter what, NEVER ever give him liquor, even if he asked for it, or it was someone else's birthday, someone bought it, under no circumstances, don't give it to him.

But, mostly he was just a lovable, very mellow person.
I just messaged his widow and asked if I could use his picture and she said yes,
so here you have a Cherokee male.
He was about 53 when this was taken.
He died soon after.
Indians have a high rate with congestive heart failure.
Hippichick may be able to explain that, cause I don't know why that is.

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posted August 24, 2011 03:28 AM            

Oh and one more thing. Is the high incidence of heart problems due to the genetic make up or due to the influence of a Western diet?
I should imagine it's the latter.

Thanks again for your help and for the photograph

posted August 24, 2011 05:30 AM            

I think a lot of typically hispanic looking people look very native.

I think native americans tend to have sharper features (cheek bones), high forheads, thick, wire-like hair (very pretty usually, but course/strong), and more almond shaped (oval) eyes. A flat, sometimes round nose, with larger nostrils isn't uncommon. In a native history class I once took, the professor said that they tend to have a little bit of stomach no matter how physically fit they were due to some tribes stuffing themselves during the winter. It's genetic now.

I can spot out an Apache from a mile away, especially the women. They tend to have large, flat foreheads, high cheek bones, and very round (sometimes square) heads. If anyone knows some personally, they'd know just what I meant.

It's the way the men are shaped too, long backs, broad shoulders, short legs, and very long arms with the same high, flat foreheads, and wide but sharp cheek bones. The lack of chest/facial hair description is also pretty accurate.

Native Americans come in all shapes and sizes, especially these days though.

posted August 24, 2011 01:30 PM            

yay bunnies

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posted August 31, 2011 09:00 AM            

I brought home NE and my son was like, "what the heck..?"
But he got hooked too...
How could you not?

I don't think Ed was really an Indian.
Here are his wiki stats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_E._Burrows

Here he is now.