posted January 18, 2012 02:51 AM            

Since the beginning of time, women have always been revered for their beauty, & they have incredible inborn psychological power over men...

I'm quite frankly amazed that women haven't taken over this planet by now...

And if such ever does happen, men will never ever rise to power/control again -nods-

(Its likely they would be treated very well, but essentially just kept for entertainment and breeding at about 1:10 ratio men to women)

Its that piece of knowledge that men of power sh!t bricks over, and so will forever do there damnedest to stop such an occurrence...

Personally, I still believe but perhaps foolishly so, that a 50 : 50 power share is possible...

Id be happy to share such with my female intellectual equal

Yet out of the incredibly intellectual women that I know who also seek power, there is no way in hell they would want to share with me/a man... and there is your fraking problem!

(And whether that issue is systemic of a male dominated society I'm not sure, either way its making men push the subjugation agenda even more)

50 : 50 is obviously the most balanced and probably best solution, its also the least likely to occur -nods-

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posted January 20, 2012 04:53 AM            

It should be pinned here....if we could.....it should be kept up top. Let's make sure we keep it bumped.

Thanks.

posted January 20, 2012 05:36 AM            

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I'm quite frankly amazed that women haven't taken over this planet by now...

And if such ever does happen, men will never ever rise to power/control again -nods-

(Its likely they would be treated very well, but essentially just kept for entertainment and breeding at about 1:10 ratio men to women)

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posted January 20, 2012 06:24 AM            

Star Trek The Next Generation
fans may remember this:

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Angel_One_%28episode%29

Angel One (episode)
Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 1, Ep. 13 "Angel One"
While the away team struggles to save male fugitives on a planet run by women, the Enterprise is ravaged by a highly infectious virus.

posted January 20, 2012 06:59 AM            

LEXX

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That I have heard from many men down through the decades of my life.
Oddly some men actually do indeed love that concept,
because it could possibly mean that they would be kept by women as playthings/pets/breeding stock,
and would not have to work or contribute
anything of value except sperm

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Yea, I'm not sure, hmmrrm from a personal perspective I'm somewhat drawn to power and Vice Versa. So although the idea of just laying around allday donating sperm isn't unappealing for the most part.

I feel Id be a somewhat unfulfilled soul if that was my only purpose lol...

So I guess in that scenario Id end up being female alot, or leading a rebellion of men against our Amazonian slavers...

Another concern would be the creativity situation, this may sting for a moment ladies but hear me out...

I think men are more creative when it comes to the arts, and all things creative in general

EDIT -Im going to retract this statement slightly as it seems women are reading this and stopping to give me an earful lol.. I mean what I said in the context of women are not scoring as high creatively IMO in the Arts, because they are pre-occupied with chasing power instead...

For the simple reason that "women" are born with being able to create life within their own bodies, so IMO just feel far less driven to be creative than men (yes, ofc, I'm not talking "all women" across the board, just in "general")Funnily though, the most creative women I have known have almost always been lesbians haha...

So with men not being able to give birth to more humans, it leaves man's only real chance at creativity in the fields of arts/music/science/whatever

Now if men where kept as daily donors and also allowed to work unrestricted when it comes to creativity, being able to work in science/film/games/arts/music/writing... hmm Id settle for that, the ladies can run the place I wouldn't care so much...

Although again, why cant we haz that at 50 / 50... with power & creativity shared equally -nods-

In the end, all sentient life strives for freedom, any subjugation either way, no matter how "nice" it is... will eventually stagnate or destroy the society...

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posted January 20, 2012 07:23 AM            

i don't love you anymore. lol

Yeah, i have to disagree with you on that one.

posted January 20, 2012 07:38 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
oh no you didnt!

i don't love you anymore. lol

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Then perhaps I need to be whipped huh...

I guess my logic revolves around the concept of, women are natural creative/life givers and so seek power/control, men appear to fall into power/control easily, so seek creativity...

So this kind of a situation is setup from the get go to be a conflict of interests

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posted January 20, 2012 07:43 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
oh no you didnt!

i don't love you anymore. lol

Yeah, i have to disagree with you on that one.

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Me, too! I lived and breathed drawing and painting, as I grew up. I still can't believe that I ever stopped. Also playing in all sorts of ways, with other materials and projects.

posted January 20, 2012 07:48 AM            

Perhaps I'm more masculine....i don't seek power or control and am creative and very involved in the arts. I also don't desire to have a baby and i'm definitely not a lesbian either.

....my big three astro-wise are all feminine signs...and everyone who's met me finds me pretty feminine...

I don't know. but i know what you are saying. I just don't agree.

posted January 20, 2012 08:17 AM            

Well I'm not trying to paint "all" women in the light that they cannot be better than men creatively, (I did leave a exception/rule in my first posts regards such) I just feel most pursue power because they feel are born without such, and we always tend to crave what we do not have...

I'm sure In a balanced world it would steer towards 1 : 1 creative geniuses

The only reason I said such in the first place was because in our society "currently", with they way its been subjugated, most woman don't bother pursuing the arts, I attended an arts college and the ratio of men to women was about 20:5

So just on sheer numbers alone, men will dominate the Arts as things stand...

I seriously wish there were more women out there doing such, in college all my best artistic rivals were of the female variety -nods-

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posted January 20, 2012 11:26 AM            

Well hmmmm............

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
Personally, I still believe but perhaps foolishly so, that a 50 : 50 power share is possible...

Id be happy to share such with my female intellectual equal

Yet out of the incredibly intellectual women that I know who also seek power, there is no way in hell they would want to share with me/a man... and there is your fraking problem!

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Well based on the rest of your posts;
good luck finding her.

And much you said sounds like most men,
in that you really do not know what you want and come across rather sexist,
and subscribe to outdated ideas about women and creativity, and more.
And wow, the idea of being kept as a sperm donor is actually appealing?

And men are in your opinion more creative?
Much of that concept has to do with women not getting the same opportunities as men in education and more.
Like families anywhere are more likely to send a son to college/university before a daughter.
Even with my above genius IQ of 180
(genius is 135 and above)
My male siblings who were high school drop outs received educational help financially and I had no choice but to work in a fraking factory......
doing a man's job, getting paid less, whilst my brothers became well off just because they have each a penis.

Anyone male or female would have more time to be artistic and creative if they did not have to worry about taking care of the everyday living, jobs, finances and so forth.

I am tired of taking care of men.
In my personal experiences,
most men are selfish and want everything their way or no way.
For example;
men will usually let the toilet get gross and be slobs in about everything else, before raising a hand to do anything for themselves.
Women are expected to do all the home care, cooking, shopping for groceries, caring for children, and the list goes on and on.
Guys will rarely even go to a doctor unless nagged even when they need a doctor.
Guys make the worse patients when sick.
Gods what big whining babies.

Geez it is no mystery my walking away from relationships and marriages to men.
Have yet to meet a man who is not sexist to some degree and who really gets what 50/50 means and wants that with women.

Rant over for now.

posted January 20, 2012 01:13 PM            

Anyone male or female would have more time to be artistic and creative if they did not have to worry about taking care of the everyday living, jobs, finances and so forth.
Guys as you later said do indeed get most of the breaks rarely if ever offered to women.
So do not blame the women.

posted January 20, 2012 01:15 PM            

However you did step into a ball of concept hornets I want to exterminate.

I know I am possibly way oversensitive when it comes to men vs women and equality.
I cannot help it.
I have been repeatedly abused, used, subjugated in every damn way by men and male dominated society.

Just because I do not have a penis;
education opportunities were denied me,, whilst guys who were high school drop outs got all the perks and breaks to go on to college/university, and become well off.
And denied equal pay (I had a 0 scrap factor on the job, got paid less, did more work, whilst the men did 1/4 of what I did with 16% to 24% scrap factor).
I worked a full time job yet I took care of ALL household things and child care and all the medical/dental appointments for my son.
I took out the trash, I took cars in to be fixed, I dug sewer lines, I did masonry, farm work.....and the list just goes on.
They did their paid jobs and all felt that was enough contribution.
Then they would sit on their dead ***** , watching television, playing games of all kinds, and even going out with "friends" every week,
whilst I held down the forts, and did my factory job too.......
and like in one case,
9 years without going out to eat or to a movie, yet they were out whooping it up every weekend.
I became a fraking doormat.
Well no more!
OK...
rant over again.

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posted January 21, 2012 08:13 AM            

Ok...

I really feel that you do not read my posts at all...

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And much you said sounds like most men,
And wow, the idea of being kept as a sperm donor is actually appealing?

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No that is not what I said, I said it was not "unappealing" in italics, followed by me saying how I would be unfulfilled as a soul if that was my only purpose... Does that honestly sound like someone who would be happy in a situation like that...

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And men are in your opinion more creative?
Much of that concept has to do with women not getting the same opportunities as men in education and more.

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Again, I felt I had addressed this as regards women not having the same opportunities as men in the "current" subjugation pattern of society being "a" factor, but your major erk from what I can see is stemming from a conceived notion that I personally believe that woman are creatively inferior by default...

You are fraking kidding me right?

Its the giant gender chip on your shoulder (which you admit too) that is clouding your normally sound judgment.

I said that women are "naturally" creative, and I attributed this factor to them being able to create life from the ether by default, I rate the creating of a complex life form capable of independent thought pretty fraking high on the awesome scale when it comes to creativity... As a games designer Its something I often do my best to mimic as regards AI development.

Further more, as a society we tend to link creativity with female attributes such as emotional awareness, and intuition, and look at any highly creative person from either gender and they tend to have such in abundance.

I also said that it was because of the subjugation (but there could be other factors involved, not related to subjugation) that they often abandon creative pursuits in search of "power", whether that power be personal/economic or a search for a man/partner of power, as such can be very appealing concepts to women, but I can get to that part later...

Now, I don't care how much creativity/talent one is born with, if you don't flex those creative muscles, a hard working individual male or female will out do you creatively no problem -nods-

I did not really want to talk about gender, I find it a very limiting and a one dimensional way of approaching the complexity of the pattern we are dealing with here.

I don't see male and female, these are the mediums we use yes, but they are not the forces at play... just the tools.

For this pattern in society I see only two dominating forces, Power(which also doubles as control) & Creativity, both are interchangeable, are ultimately not gender bound, and one seems to always lead to the other -nod-

I can only make generalizations, I have tried to leave exceptions with things that I have said but you have not accepted them and base too much of your argument on personal experiences and inductive reasoning that adds little credence to the problem at hand.

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I think men are more creative when it comes to the arts, and all things creative in general

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Obviously its this statement that I made here that is causing the most upset...

I did post an edit, and a full post thereafter as to how I feel such is true within the realms of our current society, I'm not talking about a balanced society because we cannot analyze a pattern that does not yet exist. But as I did sate previously, Id expect a 1 : 1 creativity factor if all opportunities were free and open right?

The majority of your argument is that because women have not had the same opportunities to be creative, Its is why it merely appears that men are more creative?

Hmmm so is there a pattern we can analyze that actually allows us to better look at that?

Well I feel there is one...

Youtube! I feel you would agree with me so far as, its an completely open, free and holds zero restrictions on women using the service!? There are probably as many women using youtube as there are men.

Now you would also agree with me that making and uploading videos is a creative processes, even if its just someone in front of a camera. There is a design process, a creative knowledge bass is involved, and the level of required knowledge for being able to achieve this is quite low.

Yet at its top end it involves well crafted concepts, beautiful artistic design, and music is all thrown into the mix here. There are dozens of free unrestricted mediums for making video, completely free of gender restrictions, race, creed.

Its a perfect base to start from... all one needs is the creative desire? As a personal example, I have seen an 11 year old girl who never made a video in her life, decide one day she wanted to make a fan-music video to a band she loved, and within about 5 hours she had it up on youtube and nobody helped her.

Now we have a balanced medium (and yes I can concede that its a medium operating within a subjugated society but its the best demonstrable pattern I can currently offer), and so we should expect to see among the top tier-creative most subscribed on youtube, at least and even enough spread of male/female resounding success.
http://vidstatsx.com/youtube-top-100-most-subscribed-channels

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Well we do not, the spread is overtly male dominated, most of which were started by guys on their own creative initiative and they just snowballed from there. Does this prove that men are more creative than women...

NO! It absolutely does not prove such, but what it does add weight to is what I said about women not pursuing creative ventures and on the same level as men, and instead focusing there attention on chasing the force I stated as "Power", which I feel is not solely linked with the subjugation factor.

Are you starting to see my reasoning here?

Or do you still feel I "subscribe to outdated ideas about women and creativity"...

Hrmmmm...

Now off of observations within the pattern we call society I would like to try and delve deeper into how I feel the Power >< Creativity factor may be effecting things, and effecting the relationships between men and women, with gender being the medium, but not the force!

posted January 22, 2012 07:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
it does add weight to is what I said about women not pursuing creative ventures and on the same level as men, and instead focusing there attention on chasing the force I stated as "Power", which I feel is not solely linked with the subjugation factor

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Maybe instead of "chasing Power" it was what was said earlier:

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Originally posted by LEXX:
Anyone male or female would have more time to be artistic and creative if they did not have to worry about taking care of the everyday living, jobs, finances and so forth

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Women have less time to play on the computer than men, and even when they do they're often exhausted from making a living AND keeping a house AND if they're "lucky" (good or bad lucky depends on other factors) taking care of a man so that he has the time and energy to devote more of himself to creative endeavors. Plenty diet more than they should as well trying to live up to impossible expectations which also means less energy.
In addition to that is also a social pressure for men to be more outgoing and expressive while women are more pressured to focus their energy on looking good and focusing their attention on a select circle rather than the world at large (ie, don't steal your man's lime light). I think this is easily overcome, but many (men and women) aren't even aware of it, let alone in trying to overcome it (and even those aware of it may see value in living up to social expectations rather than daring to be different). And btw, this can adversely affect men who don't want to have to prove themselves to the world just as it adversely affects women who want to win trophies rather than merely be one.
Even worse are that men (who are the most likely to control the forum) can arbitrarily exclude those who aren't like them. As an example: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/01/token-women/

And that aside, I'm not clear on what you mean by "power." Can you give an example of what you mean?

My post vanished.

Lei_Kuei, you're forgetting to think about some things. Maybe I'll repost later but I don't want to try again if it's just going to vanish.

In the meantime, you can give an example of this "power" women seek? I'm not clear on what you mean by that. (Perhaps you should start a new thread as this one seems unstable.)