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Node
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posted December 27, 2011 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have all read about the new state laws sweeping the country. The ones that deal with voter restrictions, and, new laws to make it more difficult for people to vote. This is not a new tactic, it has been exercised with some success in the past.


93-Year-Old Tennessee Woman Who Cleaned State Capitol For 30 Years Denied Voter ID

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A 93-year-old Tennessee woman who cleaned the state Capitol for 30 years, including the governor’s office, says she won’t be able to vote for the first time in decades after being told this week that her old state ID failed to meet new voter ID regulations.

Thelma Mitchell was even accused of being an undocumented immigrant because she could’t produce a birth certificate:

Mitchell, who was delivered by a midwife in Alabama in 1918, has never had a birth certificate. But when she told that to a drivers’ license clerk, he suggested she might be an illegal immigrant.

Thelma Mitchell told WSMV-TV that she went to a state drivers’ license center last week after being told that her old state ID from her cleaning job would not meet new regulations for voter identification.



This is what happens when you try to restrict voter turn out to the point of absurdity.

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posted December 27, 2011 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Getting a photo identification is easy.

Getting a voter registration form and returning it to the Registrar of voters is easy.

demoscats resist voter identification because illegal voters are part of their political calculations.

Al Franken is a Senator because in some voting districts in his state...there were more votes cast than there were registered voters. Same thing happened in Ohio.

If people can't be bothered to get a photo identification, register to vote and show up at the right precinct to vote with their photo ID...THEN DON'T VOTE!

demoscats need to stop their whining.

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posted December 28, 2011 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
getting a photo id may be easy for you but not so easy for a 93 year old birthed by a midwife and thus not owning a birth certificate.

getting a photo id may be easy for you but not for someone who hasn't money for food let alone the cost of such ID

while students can easily get around this by absentee ballot the young'uns may not be savvy enough to go this route, or know about it in time to do so!


NOW LET"S SEE...WHO is most likely not to be voting under these conditions? the poor, the young, and the elderly...no wonder RASMUSSEN doesn't bother including these in his polls!

anyone here heard of ALEC? http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

seems the similarity in so many new state laws and regulations comes from one place, and that is the corporate world...who are writing "model" bills to be taken home and instated as the brainchildren of individual legislators...WHAT a surprise to find the koch brothers fund a hefty part of this event.

what a surprise that the actual legislators pay a nominal ($50?) fee and the corporate donors foot the rest of the bill, including fare for subject and family, expensive hotels while in town, etc etc etc.

and again, WHAT a surprise that they choose a "legislator of the year" from among their proteges who receives a substantial CASH award.

and what a surprise that making voter ID a hassle to obtain - and making the voter PAY for his right to vote - came out of ALEC!!

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posted December 28, 2011 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're off topic, off target and up crap creek without a paddle.

Photo ID is easy to obtain. There are secondary forms of identification which are accepted if a birth certificate is unavailable.

demoscats are all for voter fraud and all the caterwauling about photo ID is just another smoke screen.

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posted December 29, 2011 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and you are off point. why should anyone have to PAY to exercise their RIGHT to vote?

in cali a driver's license costs about $25 these days, well beyond the budget of someone on welfare ... but of course they aren't real citizens are they?

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posted December 29, 2011 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
You're off topic, off target and up crap creek without a paddle.

Photo ID is easy to obtain. There are secondary forms of identification which are accepted if a birth certificate is unavailable.

demoscats are all for voter fraud and all the caterwauling about photo ID is just another smoke screen.


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posted December 29, 2011 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nice to have someone else get dirty so you don't have to, eh, ami? keep that cologne fresh!

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posted December 29, 2011 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why would anyone have to pay for a license to drive?

Why would anyone have to pay to camp in a National Park?

Why would anyone have to pay to drive on a turnpike?

Why would anyone have to pay to ride on a public transit authority bus?

People are not paying to vote.

People are paying the cost of providing a positive identification attesting to who they are.

If they're too lazy to get off their duffs and haul their carcasses down to the DMV to get a photo ID...then don't vote. Americans have had it with voter fraud. demoscats are the only group in America who stand fore square for voter fraud.

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posted December 29, 2011 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Why would anyone have to pay for a license to drive?

Why would anyone have to pay to camp in a National Park?

Why would anyone have to pay to drive on a turnpike?

Why would anyone have to pay to ride on a public transit authority bus?

People are not paying to vote.

People are paying the cost of providing a positive identification attesting to who they are.

If they're too lazy to get off their duffs and haul their carcasses down to the DMV to get a photo ID...then don't vote. Americans have had it with voter fraud. demoscats are the only group in America who stand fore square for voter fraud.



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posted December 29, 2011 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol SOME americans have had it with ELECTION fraud and wonder why it is the voters who are being blamed? don't you just love those electronic voting machines that come up with a different number every time they're counted?

i am as american as you jwhop. how bout you start including the rest of us...you know, apart from ami and randall, there are a few hundred million of us out here!

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posted December 29, 2011 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is someones chad hanging

Sorry, the made me do it.

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posted December 29, 2011 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by katatonic:
lol SOME americans have had it with ELECTION fraud and wonder why it is the voters who are being blamed? don't you just love those electronic voting machines that come up with a different number every time they're counted?

i am as american as you jwhop. how bout you start including the rest of us...you know, apart from ami and randall, there are a few hundred million of us out here!


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posted December 29, 2011 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Is someones chad hanging"

Funny, those chads only hung in demoscat voting precincts in Florida which were controlled by demoscats overseeing their operations.

You may be an American katatonic but your support for voter fraud is very un-American.

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posted December 29, 2011 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, you've been accused of copy and paste jobs by some here.

Perhaps it's time to remind everyone that this is a Linda Goodman site. As I recall, one of Linda Goodman's axioms is that the truth can't be repeated too often. So, there's no need to refrain from repeating what to you, is truthful or relevant.

"Well, from now on, I had (hide?) behind the skirts of Randall and Jwhop"...Ami Anne

Ummm, I can't speak for Randall but I much prefer the word Kilt as opposed to Skirt.

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posted December 30, 2011 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
Why would anyone have to pay for a license to drive?

Why would anyone have to pay to camp in a National Park?

Why would anyone have to pay to drive on a turnpike?

Why would anyone have to pay to ride on a public transit authority bus?

People are not paying to vote.

People are paying the cost of providing a positive identification attesting to who they are.

If they're too lazy to get off their duffs and haul their carcasses down to the DMV to get a photo ID...then don't vote. Americans have had it with voter fraud. demoscats are the only group in America who stand fore square for voter fraud.


I agree.. I also want to add, that people seem to find the funds to get an ID when they need to purchase items, fly to a destination, purchase alcohol etc... all one needs is a valid picture ID in order to vote.

The 93 year old had to produce identification in order to have her position that she held for 30 years. Are you telling me that she never produced a birth certificate in order to get a social security card? How in the heck has she even lived this long and purchased big items, car, house or even credit cards without a SS#?

I call BS.

ETA.. My grandmother was a fullblood Apache born in TX way back in the day. She was 92 when she died and never had a valid birth certificate but did have proof of her birth (she was delivered by a mid-wife as was my father). She was able to buy a house, car and even vote. Somehow she was able to get a valid photo identification so if an Indian from the old Southwest can do it, some 93 year old from the Old Southwest had to have done it back in the day.

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posted December 30, 2011 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is additional information about the TN voter ID law:
http://www.tn.gov/sos/election/IDRequirementChart.pdf

If you read it you will find that the person has many alternatives to the "photo ID" that they have to pay for. First time voters have more restrictions, but even they can produce alternative information in order to vote.

According to the site:
"Note: The requirements described above apply ONLY to FIRST TIME VOTERS WHO REGISTERED BY MAIL.
All other persons who registered to vote in person or have voted before must only present evidence of their signature or
sign an Affidavit of Identity."

Sooo.... a former STATE employee that had to produce a valid ID in order to work at the state capitol is not allowed to vote? Didn't she have a state employee ID? Is this the first time in her 93 years (subtracting her 1st 18 years since we can't vote until we are 18) that she actually voted? Hmmm... I think someone needs to do a bit of research into her story.

My question is- is this the first time that the 93 year old woman has ever voted?

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posted December 30, 2011 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no this is not the first time she has voted. it is the first time she has been told that her up-till-now valid ID is INVALID. the first few paragraphs of the thread tell that story.

i don't know that she owns a home or any of those things. perhaps she doesn't drink, bought a house outright 50 years ago, or rents, who knows? anyone?

the point is that despite working for the state for 30 years she is being called an illegal immigrant because she is not "up to date" with laws that have been put in place to make her so

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posted December 30, 2011 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am not in support of voter or election fraud. i am in support of people who change the laws making every effort to make sure voters can get into the polls.

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posted December 30, 2011 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ami, you've been accused of copy and paste jobs by some here.

Perhaps it's time to remind everyone that this is a Linda Goodman site. As I recall, one of Linda Goodman's axioms is that the truth can't be repeated too often. So, there's no need to refrain from repeating what to you, is truthful or relevant.

"Well, from now on, I had (hide?) behind the [b]skirts of Randall and Jwhop"...Ami Anne

Ummm, I can't speak for Randall but I much prefer the word Kilt as opposed to Skirt.

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posted December 30, 2011 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't feed the troll....

I have posted before the number of times election fraud was discovered in the last election....

The BIG NUMBER????

FOUR.

The intent of all of these new laws is clear: make it harder for a large demographic to vote. Why? Because that demographic tends to vote Democratic.

P.S. I am a registered independant.

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posted December 30, 2011 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The intent of all of these new laws is clear: make it harder for a large demographic to vote. Why? Because that demographic tends to vote Democratic."..Node

That nonsense simply isn't going to fly Node.

You cite only 4 cases of voter fraud yet in both Minnesota and Ohio there were voting districts with vote totals which exceeded the total number of registered voters...in some cases by thousands of votes.

Voter turnout typically runs around 65% of registered voters.

How is it possible to have more votes cast than there are registered voters?

There's only one answer to that question Node and that answer is voter fraud. Votes totals cannot exceed the total number of registered voters in any other way.

demoscats don't want to put a stop to voter fraud because fraudulant voters typically vote for demoscats.

Free and fair elections are the only things which make any sense in a Constitutional Republic to choose those who represent the people; yet, demoscats and their interest groups have been attempting to overthrow the election process for years. ACORN..the con and fraud artists who are joined at the hip with O'Bomber are just one of the groups involved in voter fraud and voter registration fraud.

Every state in the United States should have a photo ID system for voters...and require photo ID before handing a perspective voter a ballot.

Every state in the United States should purge their voter roll of deceased persons..another voting block for demoscats.

Every state in the United States should purge their voter rolls of felons who have lost their rights to vote.

Every state in the United States should purge their voter rolls of people who have moved out of their state.

Voting by absentee ballot should be sharply curtailed and common sense rules instituted to make sure these people did not also vote in person.

People get where they want to get in America. They go shopping, to movies, to sports events, to doctors and everywhere else they want to go.

If there are some too lazy to get themselves down to the Department of Motor Vehicles to get a photo ID then let them not vote either.

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posted December 30, 2011 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"The intent of all of these new laws is clear: make it harder for a large demographic to vote. Why? Because that demographic tends to vote Democratic."..Node

That nonsense simply isn't going to fly Node.

You cite only 4 cases of voter fraud yet in both Minnosotta and Ohio there were voting districts with vote totals which exceeded the total number of registered voters...in some cases by thousands of votes.

Voter turnout typically runs around 65% of registered voters.

How is it possible to have more votes cast than there are registered voters?

There's only one answer to that question Node and that answer is voter fraud. Votes totals cannot exceed the total number of registered voters in any other way.

demoscats don't want to put a stop to voter fraud because fraudulant voters typically vote for demoscats.

Free and fair elections are the only things which make any sense in a Constitutional Republic to choose those who represent the people; yet, demoscats and their interest groups have been attempting to overthrow the election process for years. ACORN..the con and fraud artists who are joined at the hip with O'Bomber are just one of the groups involved in voter fraud and voter registration fraud.

Every state in the United States should have a photo ID system for voters...and require photo ID before handing a perspective voter a ballot.

Every state in the United States should purge their voter roll of deceased persons..another voting block for demoscats.

Every state in the United States should purge their voter rolls of felons who have lost their rights to vote.

Every state in the United States should purge their voter rolls of people who have moved out of their state.

Voting by absentee ballot should be sharply curtailed and common sense rules instituted to make sure these people did not also vote in person.

People get where they want to get in America. They go shopping, to movies, to sports events, to doctors and everywhere else they want to go.

If there are some too lazy to get themselves down to the Department of Motor Vehicles to get a photo ID then let them not vote either.


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posted December 31, 2011 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as i recall bush tried and tried again to establish voter fraud and failed and failed again...

but isn't it funny that the iowa caucus is NOT demanding photo id, allowing people to register on the day, and using paper, hand-counted balloting...

is that because they don't think republicans ever cheat? perhaps they want a bunch of democrats coming in to throw a spanner in the works?

or perhaps they don't care about voter fraud when selecting their candidate?

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posted December 31, 2011 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as to jwhop's twice posted diatribe...

it seems you are all for complete surveillance of people in the interests of security. unfortunately there is no such thing as complete foolproof security, but the attempt to follow our every move...straight out of 1984 and the gulags you so abhor.

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posted December 31, 2011 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A photo identification...like a drivers license or another photo identification...like a state issued non drivers license form of identification is hardly a prelude to a police state.

I find it laughable that leftists screech and shriek over any attempt to prevent voter fraud.

Laughable too that you would attempt to say Bush failed in prosecuting voter fraud cases.
There's some people in prison now...or they were in prison in cases brought by Bush Justice Dept attorneys for voter registration fraud.

Further, at least 2 US Attorneys were fired for failing to investigate and prosecute what were massive voter registration fraud and voter fraud cases. This fraud was linked directly to O'Bomber's pals at ACORN.

The usual suspects heads exploded over those firings...demoscats, as usual. Fraudulant voters are an important voter block for demoscats.

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