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jwhop
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posted June 26, 2017 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Supreme Court Reinstates Trump Travel Ban from Muslim-Majority Countries
Ian Mason
26 Jun 2017

....The Supreme Court of the United States announced Monday that it will review the lower court injunctions blocking enforcement of President Donald Trump’s executive order barring travel from six Muslim-majority countries.

In a per curiam opinion, the Court partially stayed the injunctions blocking enforcement of executive order 13,780:

We now turn to the preliminary injunctions barring enforcement of the §2(c) entry suspension. We grant the Government’s applications to stay the injunctions, to the extent the injunctions prevent enforcement of §2(c) with respect to foreign nationals who lack any bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States. We leave the injunctions entered by the lower courts in place with respect to respondents and those similarly situated, as specified in this opinion.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/26/supreme-court-reinstates-trump-travel-ban-muslim-majority-countries/

Supremes side with preschool in major church-state decision
Blocking religious institutions from taxpayer funding 'unconstitutional'
2 hours ago


The state of Missouri violated the First Amendment by refusing to allow a child care center to participate in a state-funded playground program solely because of its church affiliation, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a 7-2 decision released Monday.

The [Missouri] department’s policy violated the rights of Trinity Lutheran under the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment by denying the church an otherwise available public benefit on account of its religious status,” wrote Chief Justice John Roberts regarding the case brought by Trinity Lutheran Church of Columbia.....
http://www.wnd.com/2017/06/supremes-side-with-preschool-in-major-church-state-decision/

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posted June 26, 2017 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
President Trump always had that right, by both the Constitution and federal statute. It was a no-brainer by any court that is legitimate. Kudos to the SCOTUS!

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posted June 26, 2017 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Case not heard yet. Certain portions of Ordee allowed in the meantime.
ERGO Misleading headline..fake news

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posted June 26, 2017 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fake News thread title?

Listen up.

Trump won 95% of what he wanted in the suspension of travel from those proscripted countries.

The 5% will be dealt with in the next session of the Supreme Court.

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posted June 27, 2017 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He didn`t get carte blanche on the bill.

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posted June 27, 2017 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
President Trump got more than some people realize.

Some Loony-Tunes extremist judges from the 9th Circuit and 4th Circuit along with some state Attorney Generals got dragged into the spotlight for rational Americans to get a gander at their extreme agenda.

When the dust settles, we'll find out that President Trump is in charge of foreign policy and national security, AND NOT a bunch of unelected Loony-Tunes judges whose legal opinions prove they're never read the US Constitution.

BTW, the Supreme Court decision was UNANIMOUS.

Those lower court extremist judges got blitch slapped by the Supreme Court.

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posted June 27, 2017 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No. Rational people see that some of the provisions were allowed for now while others were not. The case is being held in the fall and rational people will not jump to conclusions. Just as rational people see the persistent attempts of this govt to scare us about being invaded by hostile foreigners just as Goering taught😉 ..and Madison warned against.

None of the perpetrators of deadly terrorist attacks on American soil on or since 9/11 were from the countries targeted — Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. Theoverwhelming majority, according to the New America Foundation, were U.S. citizens or legal residents; restricting travel by Texans and Virginians would have affected more of them than Trump’s order.

More about the actual allowances and order here. http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Trump-s-travel -ban-gets-a-win-but-not-a-11248514.php

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posted June 27, 2017 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
President Trump got more than some people realize.

Some Loony-Tunes extremist judges from the 9th Circuit and 4th Circuit along with some state Attorney Generals got dragged into the spotlight for rational Americans to get a gander at their extreme agenda.

When the dust settles, we'll find out that President Trump is in charge of foreign policy and national security, AND NOT a bunch of unelected Loony-Tunes judges whose legal opinions prove they're never read the US Constitution.

BTW, the Supreme Court decision was [b]UNANIMOUS.

Those lower court extremist judges got blitch slapped by the Supreme Court. [/B]


Trump supporters really are in an alternate universe.

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posted June 27, 2017 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Goering:

Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship…

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”

– Hermann Goering (as told to Gustav Gilbert during the Nuremberg trials)


Madison:


In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty.The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people

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posted June 27, 2017 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chalk up another loss for the leftist lunatic fraternity!

Linking Herman Goering to a US Supreme Court decision? Utter lunacy!

June 27, 2017
Trump-hating circuit courts get a rude awakening
David Zukerman

The Ninth Circuit, later joined by the Fourth Circuit, decided (illegitimately) to put President Trump in his place, broadly rejecting his temporary suspension on travel from six Muslim-majority states – Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen – that had previously been designated by the Obama administration as terrorism risks.

In an example of "what goes around comes around," the Supreme Court, in a per curiam – that is to say, unanimous – decision, gave the appellate courts their comeuppance, allowing President Trump's travel bans to be in effect as "against foreign nationals abroad who have no connection to the United States at all."

Never-Trump commentators would do well to reflect on the following statement in the per curiam ruling: "To prevent the Government from [suspending travel by] foreign nationals unconnected to the United States would appreciably injure its interests, without alleviating obvious hardship to anyone else." Clearly, the lower courts, in their zeal to injure the Trump presidency, gave no thought to whether a "foreign national" has a connection to the United States. Excessive, unwarranted, and unfair allegations against President Trump were persuasive at the Ninth Circuit.

How will the media, which lauded the appellate decisions for their anti-Trump bias, respond to the following, which reflects the views of liberal as well as conservative members of the Court? "Denying entry to such a foreign national does not burden any American party by reason of that party's relationship with the foreign national[.] And the courts below did not conclude that exclusion in such circumstances would impose any legally relevant hardship on the foreign national himself."

The ruling implies that the burden of the travel suspension "against a foreign national who lacks any connection to this country" will not be magnified into an Establishment Clause issue by claims of anti-Islam animus allegedly made in political campaign remarks.

The ruling also accepted the government's request for writ of certiorari, and the issue will be set down for argument at the October 2017 term. Pending a decision on the merits, the travel suspension does not affect "foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States. All other foreign nationals are subject to the [travel suspension]."

What next from the left: demands that the Supreme Court be impeached?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/06/trumphating_circuit_courts_get_a_rude_awakening.html

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posted June 27, 2017 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not likening Goering to SCOTUS at all.

Just the general propaganda machine of this administration telling us we are under attack and beefing up the military to protect us. And taking the money of the main funders of terrorists in the ME to beef it up even more.

Meanwhile the mentally ill homegrown terrorists must not be restricted from arming themselves in any way despite being the runaway majority of perps here.

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posted June 27, 2017 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More info on the partial nature of this unsigned opinion and on What it might mean
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2017/06/shrewd-justice

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posted June 27, 2017 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You really are out of touch with reality.

Have a good look at the title of this thread...about the US Supreme Court upholding the President's travel suspension.

Then, tell us what the hell Herman Goering has to do with it.

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posted June 27, 2017 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everything about this presidency is about fearing the evil invaders and the evil trade enemies and the evil critics of the most exquisitely clothed Emperor of all time.

Its a partial win for The Don but also for those who were harassed, deported wrongly and banned without cause because of a poorly written and worse executed edict.

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

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posted June 28, 2017 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The dots you're attempting to connect lead nowhere near Herman Goering and the US Supreme Court.

The recent Supreme Court decision was a 95% WIN for the Constitutional Authority of President Trump...and all Presidents who will follow the Constitution and Laws of the United States. That's really what all the screeching and howling by leftists is all about. They don't give a rotten rat's azz about the Laws or the Constitution.

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posted June 28, 2017 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whatever jwhop
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The people who were wrongly barred, deported and harassed are vindicated by this and may now win their suits and hopefully resume their lives. We'll see about the rest in 3 months

Of course the woman who died waiting for admission for medical treatment and her family who live here... might disagree

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posted June 28, 2017 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one was "wrongly barred"!

No foreign national has any constitutional right to come to the United States...for any reason.

Foreign nationals "MAY" come to the US upon an approved application for entry.

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posted June 29, 2017 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People who already had residence and permission to be here were denied return. People - as the Supreme Court designated - with connections and family were refused entry despite paperwork in order. American citizens of several generations with names that sounded "dangerous" or "relevant" to border patrol were detained and harassed. Europeans who have visited here to work many times were refused visas and even entry having arrived with work contracts

Yes, people were wrongly barred and if your name were Kachatarian or Patel it could have been you. No matter how long ago your family settled here.

We'll see Howe it goes in October. The 3 months could be over and moot by then

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posted June 29, 2017 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS

per curiam does not mean unanimous ands the decision was unsigned. Two judges actually did not agree and we don't know about the others
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/per_curiam

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posted June 29, 2017 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where do you get your news? Staying the lower courts' injunctions was unanimous. No one abstained. In fact, three justices wanted to restore the travel ban in its entirety. And Trump gets his 90 days before the SCOTUS writes an opinion in October. Huuuuuuge win for President Trump!

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posted June 29, 2017 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where do you get yours ? That there were dissenters kind of debunks your claim doesn't it?
The decision was UNSIGNED .. do tell; how do you know it was unanimous?

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posted July 07, 2017 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Federal Judge Denies Hawaii’s Challenge To President Trump Travel Ban…
July 6, 2017
sundance

More Winning
– A federal judge in Hawaii has rejected a motion filed by that state seeking to limit the scope of President Donald Trump’s so-called travel ban, parts of which were cleared to be implemented by the U.S. Supreme Court.

“Because Plaintiffs seek clarification of the June 26, 2017 injunction modifications authored by the Supreme Court, clarification should be sought there, not here.”

U.S. District Judge Derrick Watson said in a ruling Thursday in Honolulu that the Supreme Court is the proper venue to deal with the issue. (read more)
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-judge-denies-hawaii-s-motion-trump-s-travel-ban-n780366


http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/07/06/federal-judge-denies-hawaiis-challenge-to-president-trump-travel-ban/

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posted July 07, 2017 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SCOTUS just ruled that those with the prescribed connections were exempt from the ban. Isn't that what the Hawaiian case is about? So SCOTUS has already legitimized the suit

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posted July 07, 2017 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This case has yet to be tried on it's merits in the Supreme Court.

When it is, the Court will find President Trump has both the constitutional and legislative granted authority to limit any foreign national from entering the United States....including those who have relatives here and those who have expectations of a job in the US.

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