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Node
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posted July 30, 2017 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I went looking to journalists to answer my question[s] Why does government have to be run by old white guys? Why do women have such little representation? Both in the board room and government.

A little personal history. My occupation [chef] is male dominated. I've traveled through many glass doors/ceilings. I feel that one of the worst places to be in the workforce is not only to be a woman, but to be a black woman. And no, I am not African American. I also feel that women are conditioned to not like other women. How many guys out there have to listen to their women crank on every night about; "This woman at work is out to destroy me" ! Kudos to those men that just listen.

Women need to focus on the real problem, and lots of that is societal conditioning- and the cards we are dealt.

But I digress.

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How many different ways can we get the message that women don't count? Just this morning, in fact, two female GOP senators who have consistently voted against the repeal-and/or-replace health-care bill—even as one of them has been threatened by the secretary of the Interior—were overshadowed by Senator John McCain, who swanned in with his surprise "no" vote, and guess who emerged the hero? McCain's vote even moved Democratic senator Chuck Schumer to tears—but he seemed unmoved by Murkowski and Collins, and even the disabled activists who put their bodies on the line.

Yet Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii) was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and voted as well, did you hear about that? Was Chuck in tears about Mazie? Yes, I know Chuck is tight with McCain but still.... No mention.

Had feel the burn Sanders won the ticket I would have voted for him.

I want the end of the Clinton / Bush dynasty and have serious like for Mr. Sanders.
felt he got a raw deal as well, but hey he is an old white guy right?

Ok

Here is the rest of a journalists POV.
http://www.damemagazine.com/2017/07/24/were-not-going-our-first-female-president


Highlights:

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Women are half the population but only hold 20 percent of the political representation in the U.S. federal government. We place 100th in the world for female political representation with only 20 percent of offices held by women. The business press cheered wildly at the news that the share of women CEOs surged in the last year—from 4 percent to 6 percent. Women comprised just 7 percent of Hollywood film directors last year, down 2 percent from the year before. Across the board American women are lagging in leadership posts in absolute terms and in comparison to other nations.

As Rebecca Traister chronicled in her brilliant post-election profile in New Yorkmagazine, when Hillary Clinton herself dared to mention it as a factor in her defeat, pundits and analysts held her up for ridicule accusing her of making excuses for her own failure and demanding she apologize. When she tweeted congratulations to the new DNC chair, a well-known columnist responded with a simple command to "retire" suggesting that even having the temerity to participate in social media was unacceptable. A Daily News columnist put it more bluntly: "Hillary Clinton, shut the f— up and go away already.”

And women who voted for Clinton got the message, loud and clear. It wasn't just about her. It was about them too. As the New Yorker's Daniel Kibblesmith satirically remarked, "It is time for Hillary Clinton to disappear from our magazine covers and our television screens, and gracefully retire from public life. Ideally, taking all other women with her."

But the fact that nobody wants to reckon with the truth does not change the fact that sexism did play a role—a big one—one so big that, if you stop and think about it, is so obvious it's shocking that there's even any controversy. After all, the reaction of the Republican party to what everyone assumed was be the inevitable nomination of the first woman presidential nominee was to choose a man so crudely misogynist that he was caught on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women and getting away with it. Republican voters wore T-shirts that said "Don’t be a ***** . Vote for Trump"; "Trump that ***** "; "Hillary Sucks, but not like Monica"; and "Hillary for Prison." They sold pins that had pictures of a boy urinating on her name. And that's just for starters.

These lovely items weren't just produced on the sly by enterprising entrepreneurs catering to the fringe. They were sold at the Republican National Convention, the gathering which introduced the nation to the "lock her up" chants that resembled nothing so much as an angry 16th-century mob hysterically demanding a witch burning.

It was vulgar, rank misogyny. It was primal. It was explicit. And unlike the crude subterranean racism that roiled beneath President Obama's two races, it was sanctioned by the highest reaches of the GOP and celebrated before a national television audience. And yet we are supposed to pretend that it didn't happen. And if it did, the woman was asking for it because she was a terrible candidate, even though she won 3 million more votes.

Despite the virtual gag order on talking about sexism in 2016, there have been some intrepid souls who have analyzed polling data and it backs up what we all saw with our own eyes. The Blair Center Poll from the Blair Center of Southern Politics and Society at the University of Arkansas polled 3,668 individuals immediately after the election using the Modern Sexism Scale, a tool similar to those employed by social scientists to detect racial resentment. They asked people to agree or disagree on a scale of one to ten with the following statements:

Many women are actually seeking special favors, such as hiring policies that favor them over men, under the guise of asking for “equality.”

Most women interpret innocent remarks or acts as being sexist.

Feminists are seeking for women to have more power than men.

When women lose to men in a fair competition, they typically complain about being discriminated against.

Discrimination against women is no longer a problem in the United States.


The results are very thorough and complex and show that the 2016 electorate was very much in the grip of sexism. 36.2 percent were clearly sexist and another 16.7 were neutral, although if you have a neutral response to those questions it's a good indication that you aren't exactly a crusader for women's rights. Over half the public has a pretty low opinion of women and their response to those questions explains why nobody wants to hear about it.


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But one of the most vexing questions is why a majority of white women voted for a sexist brute like Donald Trump when the first woman candidate was on the ballot. The answer, of course, is that a majority of white women are Republicans, as are a majority of white men. And they are not feminists, at least in the way most of us would define it.

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If that sounds familiar it's because it was the template for many right wing arguments to come. Schlafly had found the formula for energizing women to become politically active around anti-feminism and it was immediately joined with the burgeoning conservative movement as an intrinsic piece of its message.

Conservative women proved to be a major force in partisan GOP politics. They were powerful as long as they didn't specifically demand power. They were influential as long as they pretended not to be. This is how female Republican politicians thread the needle—they model leadership while espousing traditional values. In other words, women may "lead" as long as it's in service of patriarchy.

Hillary Clinton is a Democrat whose most famous quote is "women's rights are human rights." She's long been pilloried as a "********* " and a ball-busting shrew who "couldn't keep her man happy." Her presence on the national ticket electrified that old anti-feminist strain Phyllis Schlafly uncovered so long ago. It's no surprise that in her last act of political activism, Schlafly enthusiastically endorsed Donald Trump.

2016 did show that parts of the country were ready for a woman president. What a majority wasn't ready for was a feminist president as the traditional voters in rural, white America came out strongly for her sexist opponent. This is why I believe that the woman who breaks America's highest and strongest glass ceiling will most likely be a conservative like Margaret Thatcher or Teresa May in the UK. (You'll notice that the Labor has never had a woman leader.)

I think the first woman president, barring other impediments, might very well be Nikki Haley, the child of Indian immigrants, former Governor of the arch-conservative South Carolina and current Ambassador to the United Nations. She would be bad for women and bad for civil rights. In fact she would be bad for everything the center and the left care about. I could never vote for her. But until someone like her crashes through the glass ceiling first I'm afraid we will still be waiting for the first women president. The patriarchy and the conservative women who serve it may be ready to allow a woman to lead but it will not allow the "first" to be a feminist. That's the win they cannot grant.

By the way, I have never wanted more to be wrong about something in my life. I sincerely hope that I am.



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posted July 30, 2017 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Node!

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By the way, I have never wanted more to be wrong about something in my life. I sincerely hope that I am.

I hope you are too...

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It was vulgar, rank misogyny. It was primal. It was explicit. And unlike the crude subterranean racism that roiled beneath President Obama's two races, it was sanctioned by the highest reaches of the GOP and celebrated before a national television audience. And yet we are supposed to pretend that it didn't happen. And if it did, the woman was asking for it because she was a terrible candidate, even though she won 3 million more votes.

That was among one of the saddest events in American political history.

To see grown men resort to immature good old boy behaviour while ganging up on the rival candidate.

I wouldn`t/didn`t vote for Hillary but that had nothing to do with her gender.
The three million more votes encourages me women are taking a stand and voting. We have a future Node and it will happen. We only hope in our lifetime.

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posted July 30, 2017 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hoped its not Nikki Haley.. 😝

But you have a point which i think is lost in the general perception of what"feminist" means. I think its no longer enough to point at chauvinism in public life.. no longer enough to insist on female equality. We ARE equal and the reason a conservative woman will more likely get there first is she will not use her sex as an issue in itself. I actually agree with that approach. Until a woman is wulling to be equal without claiming a handicap she will be handicapped.

Not all feminists discuss feminism. Many believe women ARE different and should be proud of it. They also believe they are just as good with no need to prove it by being "as tough as" men.

Unfortunately so far it's mostly been conservative women who go that route. I think Tulsi Gabbard and Kamala Harris may just be part of a new breed of non conservative women who don't play the victim card. Lets hope they inspire and carry the standard for more.

In Elizabeth I's day it was necessary to be unmarried to be seen as autonomous. Those days are gone and hopefully the days of "playing the woman card" will be soon.

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posted July 30, 2017 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Palin.

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posted July 30, 2017 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol

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posted July 31, 2017 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Palin.

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posted July 31, 2017 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kewf1988     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
I hoped its not Nikki Haley.. 😝

But you have a point which i think is lost in the general perception of what"feminist" means. I think its no longer enough to point at chauvinism in public life.. no longer enough to insist on female equality. We ARE equal and the reason a conservative woman will more likely get there first is she will not use her sex as an issue in itself. I actually agree with that approach. Until a woman is wulling to be equal without claiming a handicap she will be handicapped.

Not all feminists discuss feminism. Many believe women ARE different and should be proud of it. They also believe they are just as good with no need to prove it by being "as tough as" men.

Unfortunately so far it's mostly been conservative women who go that route. I think Tulsi Gabbard and Kamala Harris may just be part of a new breed of non conservative women who don't play the victim card. Lets hope they inspire and carry the standard for more.

In Elizabeth I's day it was necessary to be unmarried to be seen as autonomous. Those days are gone and hopefully the days of "playing the woman card" will be soon.


Nikki Haley is a fake conservative.

Like the first black president after GW Bush, if there is a first female president right after Trump, she'd likely be a Democrat (Trump has an approval rating below 40% months into his first term... you NEED those independents on your side, which moderate governing will get you. Clinton learned that the last 6 years of his presidency when he had very high approval ratings). Elizabeth Warren is the most high profile female Democrat in Congress outside of Pelosi, and like Bernie is a major voice against the wealth gap, though she's less authoritarian than Bernie (very aggressive Pallas, as shown in my blog at http://leftwingastrology.blogspot.com). Tulsi Gabbard has a similar Pallas as Bernie and if she gets elected, she would be the first female president and the first Gen X president (Pluto in Libra, Neptune in Sagittarius, and Uranus in Scorpio, though being born in 1981 many would have her as the first millennial president). Kamala Harris has a big record of corruption in the California state government (and a very aggressive Pallas).

If the first female president is a conservative, Mia Love would likely be the best option (strong Pallas, and is also young enough to feel different from the Pluto in Leo status quo because like Gabbard, she has Pluto in Libra, Neptune in Sagittarius, and Uranus in Scorpio). The likes of Palin and Bachmann would be terrible presidents, as would Haley (my analysis on my blog exposes her as a RINO like Palin).

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posted July 31, 2017 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting.. hadn't heard that about Harris.

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posted August 02, 2017 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
kewf1988

Welcome! and...hello.

Thank you for posting your site, I've been reading and appreciate your distinction between boomers, and crisis gens.

May I ask which gen is yours?

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