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Catalina
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posted December 14, 2017 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/364933-new-york-ag-to-sue-fcc-over-net-neutr ality-repeal

While the FCC basically turns over the taxpayer built internet to private conglomerates, there will be suit by at least 15 states and Im pretty sure there will be pirates rushing in to buck the merged giants.

Meanwhile Pai has put out a mocking video that shows exactly what respect he has for the users..none
http://youtu.be/LFhT6H6pRWg

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posted December 14, 2017 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://rare.us/rare-politics/getting-it-right/liberals-are-freaking-out-over-the-repeal-of-net-neutrality-and-its-hilarious/?utm_medium=rare-america&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaig n=organic-social

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posted December 14, 2017 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes pai wld put out a mock video wldn't he? I think someone shld mock him in a vid bc he used more than 2 million fake signatures to support his sucking-up-to-corporations stand

Over two million fake public comments were submitted to the FCC in favor of repealing net neutrality—according to an investigation by the new york attorney general's office.

Many of these fake comments were cases of identity theft. For ex, one comment was submitted in july 2017—although the person died of cancer in June. Even senator Patrick Leahy (who strongly supports net neutrality and opposed the FCC rule change) had his identity stolen with a fake public comment submitted.


Ajit pai is a corporate shill, he was previously on verizon's pay roll as their lawyer, and in an alternate reality, is still working for them. He needs to be booted to the curb where he can make that reality real for himself.


He gave speeches where he lied his way right through...abt the impact the repeal wld have, completely ignored facts that were presented, and basically is following 45's lead...create a false reality so that rabid GOP followers will buy the lies hook line and stinker and allow this sh*t to pass w/out protest


I don't think anything better can be expected from a party that endorsed a pedophile. They will sell anything or anyone that corporations are ready to buy...including their own souls, which have already been pawned

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posted December 15, 2017 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
[URL=http://rare.us/rare-politics/getting-it-right/liberals-are-freaking-out-over-the-repeal-of-net-neutrality-and-its-hilarious/?utm_medium=rare-america&utm_source=facebook&utm_ca mpaig]http://rare.us/rare-politics/getting-it-right/liberals-are-freaking-out-over-the-repeal-of-net-neutrality-and-its-hilarious/?utm_medium=rare-america&utm_source=facebook&utm_c ampaig[/URL] n=organic-social


Let's wait and see how hilarious you'll find it when your own website LL is negatively affected and people decide it's just not worth it to pay to get on LL only to have a dumb convo w/ a couple of GOP koolaid sippers

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posted December 15, 2017 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Congress has the power to overturn Pai's repeal of net neutrality, so plz make sure and call your representatives to demand that the FCC vote be overturned.

And for those members of Congress who stand with Comcast/verizon and against their constituents, all their voters shld know abt it.


What's at stake?

"The internet as we know it will disappear. Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T will be allowed to throttle internet speeds and force people to pay exorbitant premiums to stay off their "slow lane."


Startups and small businesses will be drowned out by billion-dollar corporations, and ISPs will be allowed to block sites altogether if they view them as competition or just disagree with their politics.


Comcast could decide tomorrow to block access to Skype because it has its own video-chat client. Verizon could drop access to CNN in order to push viewers to Fox News.


Net neutrality isn't just about what we pay for the internet—it's about upholding our democratic society.


Ajit Pai may not care about the 22 million comments to the FCC that were overwhelmingly in favor of net neutrality, or the more than 700 protests across the country last week to stop the FCC's attack on the internet, or that 83% of Americans opposed his plan to repeal Title II.2 But if we take that outrage to Washington, D.C., we can force Congress to care."

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posted December 15, 2017 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, does that mean you won't be visiting us much? Asking for a friend.

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posted December 15, 2017 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://fortune.com/2017/12/13/fcc-net-neutrality-vote/

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posted December 15, 2017 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LL has been around since November 2000. Net neutrality was enacted in February 2015. I don't recall it being a problem for LL in the prior 15 years. In fact, I haven't noticed a difference at all anywhere between all of the years before it and during the less than three years after.

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posted December 15, 2017 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/12/14/the-end-is-nigh-9-crazy-leftist-predictions-for-net-neutrality-repeal/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

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posted December 15, 2017 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah, does that mean you won't be visiting us much? Asking for a friend.


Oh don't be so shy...ask for yourself as well...feels uncomfortable does it, to have your feet held to the fire?


The truth always feels uncomfortable to those who oppose it

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posted December 15, 2017 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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LL has been around since November 2000. Net neutrality was enacted in February 2015. I don't recall it being a problem for LL in the prior 15 years. In fact, I haven't noticed a difference at all anywhere between all of the years before it and during the less than three years after.


That's bc in 2010 the FCC had prohibited ISPs from charging fees, and now pai's plan allows them. Do your research instead of swallowing evything alt right media is feeding you

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posted December 15, 2017 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing happened prior to 2010, since the inception of the internet. I'm not unconfortable at all. It's called capitalism. Less regulations equals a freer market.

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posted December 15, 2017 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Nothing happened prior to 2010, since the inception of the internet. I'm not unconfortable at all. It's called capitalism. Less regulations equals a freer market.

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posted December 15, 2017 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Nothing happened prior to 2010, since the inception of the internet. I'm not unconfortable at all. It's called capitalism. Less regulations equals a freer market.


Since the inception of the internet no fees have ever been charged in the US, even though some companies have tried to float the idea. Obviously that's why you haven't noticed a change in traffic on ll. Under pai's plan fees will be charged and if it goes through, small buisnesses WILL be affected negatively including your website, so we'll see how much you're for that aspect of capitalism when LL membership drops dramatically


If pai's plan gets blocked, it'll be bc the lefties saved the collective butt of the GOP once again. And then having dodged a bullet, you'll pretend once again that you'd have been fine w/ the fees...again missing the point completely. It's irrelevant how you feel, what's more imp is how others who bring in the biz for you will feel and that # is 88% of the american population


There's a reason 88% of americans don't want pai's plan, and that's a %age which includes a whole lot of capitalism hugging GOPs. Perhaps you and the remaining 12% need to start up your biz on mars...i hear tesla will be sending people...i have to chk if it's a one way trip

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posted December 15, 2017 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm not unconfortable at all. It's called capitalism. Less regulations equals a freer market.


Again missing the point. When i spoke abt holding your feet to the fire, i wasn't referring to capitalism, was speaking abt truth, that's the usual inference of that phrase

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posted December 15, 2017 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you really want to understand how pai's plan will affect your website, read how pai plays fast and loose w/ facts - (emphasis mine)


https://www.wired.com/story/expect-fewer-great-startups-if-the-fcc-kills-net-neutrality/


"EXPECT FEWER GREAT STARTUPS IF THE FCC KILLS NET NEUTRALITY


INSTEAD OF LISTENING to the thousand of startups and investors who argue that ending net neutrality would damage online innovation, FCC chair Ajit Pai is pushing a vote this Thursday to dismantle two decades of open internet protections in one of the biggest corporate giveaways in history.


Existing net neutrality protections have made it cheaper to start an online business than a cafe. I know because in 2012 I left a job I loved at WIRED to pursue my own startup dream of improving publishers’ recommendations and start Contextly, which is still going strong.


I truly am one of the lucky ones. I got a shot at starting something new because the cost of launching a new idea was extremely low. Future entrepreneurs should have the same chance I did.


When I started Contextly, we paid $19.95 a month for one server; a year later, when I left my job to run the company full time, Contextly’s recommendations were showing on tens of millions of news articles a month, and we only paid $288.55 per month for 8 servers. That’s cheap. I didn’t need outside funding to launch a business.


But if Pai’s plan had been in effect, I couldn’t have afforded to start Contextly, and I wouldn’t have. Here’s why: Under Pai’s proposal, broadband providers will be allowed to charge all websites and services, including startups, simply to reach an ISP’s subscribers. That’s a huge threat to the low cost of starting a company, and it totally up-ends the economics of the internet.


It’s also what ISPs have been wanting for years. In 2006, AT&T CEO Ed Whitacre said that "for a Google or Yahoo or Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes free is nuts." In 2013, Verizon—Pai’s former employer—told a federal court that it should be free to charge any site any amount of money to reach its customers.


These types of fees have never existed in the US in the history of the internet. When ISPs began floating the idea to charge fees, more than a decade ago, the FCC began investigating whether they should be allowed; it finally prohibited such fees in 2010. So when Aji Pai says eliminating net neutrality would simply be taking us back to the pre-2015 internet, that simply isn’t true.


But Pai’s plan doesn’t stop there. The FCC chair wants to allow ISPs to create fast lanes inside their networks; online services will have to pay to stay out of the slow lane.


In the proposed order, Pai tells startups not to worry about fast lanes, also known as paid prioritization, because only online services with very specialized requirements will need them:

“We disagree with commenters asserting that [paid prioritization] is likely to significantly burden edge providers by requiring them to negotiate with hundreds of ISPs because as discussed, paid prioritization is likely to be focused only on applications with require special Quality of Service guarantees....”


The argument is simply wrong. Speed matters online. You have to be fast just to compete. Users bounce and customers don’t buy if sites or apps are slow to load or feel laggy. If there are fast lanes, every website, every startup, and every small merchant will have to be in them, not just those that need speed—a k a Quality of Service—guarantees.


Pai goes on to say that fast lanes will help tiny startups against larger competitors:


"Paid prioritization could allow small and new edge providers to compete on a more even playing field against large edge providers, many of which have Content Delivery Networks and other methods of distributing their content quickly to consumers."


First off, arguing that startups can’t compete with incumbents because incumbents have Content Delivery Networks is hilarious to anyone running a startup. CDNs, for those not familiar, help speed up websites by putting commonly used files, like images and videos, on servers around the world, so that users download the images from a server physically closer to them.


But almost every startup uses a CDN because they are cheap, and some are even free. Startups have their choice of Amazon Cloudfront, Akamai, Fastly, MaxCDN, and dozens more. Cloudflare offers its CDN for free, and anyone who starts a WordPress blog can use Automattic’s CDN for free with just a few clicks. Startups don’t need ISP fast lanes so that their apps can be fast. But if fast lanes are allowed, startups will have to pay for the fast lanes simply not to be slow.


In fact, fast lanes will make it harder for startups to compete. Incumbents will pay for fast lanes just so their upstart competitors have to as well, a clever way of making younger companies burn through their resources. If startups can’t afford to pay, their businesses will grow slowly due to their services’ poor performance—a situation beyond their control. Either way, incumbents win and startups lose.


Only in Ajit Pai’s upside-down world would startups have the money to pay for fast lanes and incumbents wouldn’t.


Pai further goes on to suggest that startups shouldn’t worry about paying fast lane fees to ISPs because VCs will pay them, referencing the early days of Google, Amazon, and Facebook as examples:


"[W]hile it is common to claim new entrants would not have the deep pockets necessary to implement such an entry strategy, new economy startups have demonstrated that capital markets are willing to provide funds for potentially profitable ideas, despite high failure rates, presumably because of the large potential gains when an entrant is successful."


THAT’S. NOT. HOW. STARTUP. INVESTMENT. WORKS. AND. IT'S. HISTORICALLY. WRONG.


Investors do not put money into “ideas.” They fund companies with substantial and growing numbers of users or revenue.


In his newsletter last week, Jason Calacanis, a prominent angel investor (including in Uber) laid out what he looks for when putting the first real money into a company: “We focus on investing in startups that have product/market fit and some traction. This could be $10,000 to $150,000 a month in revenue, or tens of thousands of daily free users.”


How’s a self-funded startup going to reach that point, if it must pay off dozens of ISPs simply to get its first dozen paying customers or thousands of daily active users? The examples Pai chose just prove how wrong he is.


Facebook’s server costs were $85 a month when it started, and the social network’s founders didn’t drop out of school and get funding until the social network had 250,000 users. Jeff Bezos funded Amazon himself for six months, then took small investments from his mother and father. Google had more than 10,000 search queries a day before it got any angel investment, and it was named one of PC Magazine’s top 100 web sites before raising any venture capital funding.


These companies were able to launch because starting a company was inexpensive. They succeeded because they did not have to contend with access fees and fast lanes at their inception; they’re not examples that prove startups would be fine if fees did exist.


If fewer startups can get enough traction to raise funding, there will be fewer breakthrough companies, and VCs that do invest will provide less money for more equity to compensate for the risk that startups are vulnerable to ISP rent-seeking. It will be like returning to the pre-iPhone app store days, when investors shied away from investing in apps for mobile devices because getting onto a device required making deals and paying off carriers keeping their subscribers inside walled gardens.


What does this mean for you if you’re unlikely to launch a startup? All the services you pay for as a consumer, producer, or business will become more expensive because those services have to pay off ISPs, raising their costs. There will be fewer free and freemium services, as the cost to run the free versions of paid services grows too high to maintain.


There will be (even) less local news. Fewer quirky startups. Fewer entrepreneurs who figure out how to make it online without or without raising any venture capital.


Services from the big platforms like Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apple, and Microsoft—again, companies that largely would not have succeeded without net neutrality protections—will become even more dominant, because they can both afford the fees and have the market clout to negotiate bulk discounts with ISPs.


It’s that simple. The net will become more boring, less free, and less innovative, thanks to Pai’s plan.


As a reporter at WIRED, I was lucky enough to see up close the excitement of fired-up startup founders building things that never existed before. I got inspired enough to leave behind a great job with healthcare and put my savings into building my dream.


Pai’s short-sighted plan will crush that dream for future would-be founders.


Congressional Republicans say they love entrepreneurship, free speech, free markets, and innovation. Yet they are standing by in silent assent as Pai’s vote draws close, ignoring the pleas of the citizens and entrepreneurs they claim to care about. They are the only ones that can still stop Pai, and they ought to be loudly denouncing Pai’s plan and defending startups and small businesses."

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posted December 15, 2017 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
less regulations also means more consolidation by the haves at thr expense of the have-lesses. This is one more move to augment power to big corporations who can buy out thr little guy before he gets started. Like Verizon duh

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posted December 15, 2017 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Buying out the little guy is pure capitalism. If I get bought out, I must be happy with the transaction, no? Less government equals more business freedom. Let the free market decide.

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posted December 15, 2017 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure randall sure. Do remember to post a photo of your happy face if/when that happens to you

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posted December 15, 2017 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not the least bit concerned.

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posted December 15, 2017 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ugh!!! Pai's own guy warned that repealing net neutrality wld not be in public interest. The swamp's so frickin' infested!


https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/13/net-neutrality-repeal-warning-eric-burger-fcc-259968


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"FCC's own chief technology officer warned about net neutrality repeal


The warning challenges the FCC's official line on the planned repeal of the net neutrality rules, set for a vote Thursday.


By MARGARET HARDING MCGILL 12/13/2017 03:48 PM EST


The Federal Communications Commission's own chief technology officer expressed concern Wednesday about Republican Chairman Ajit Pai's plan to repeal the net neutrality rules, saying it could lead to practices that are "not in the public interest."


Meanwhile pai is in hideout, afraid someone may want to kill him. It's a thought...though of course i'm against violence of any kind

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posted December 15, 2017 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/268735/fcc-restores-market-freedom-internet-joseph-klein

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posted December 16, 2017 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://reverepress.com/news/comcast-deleted-promise-keep-internet-open/

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posted December 16, 2017 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah, does that mean you won't be visiting us much? Asking for a friend.

It sounds like you're eager to lose a contributor to your forum. A long-term member, too.

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posted December 16, 2017 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lack of a sense of humor much?

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