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Topic: DePlatforming Trump
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iQ Moderator Posts: 6383 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 09, 2021 03:48 AM
This was a shocking development. I did not like it, flagging his tweets or deleting calls to attack was sufficient till Jan 20th, after Jan 20th they could have applied their terms of service.This also means that FB and Twitter and Google worship any Head of State as long as he or she is power. The RSS and Hindu Nazis are 1000000X more dangerous than Trump but Zuckerberg supports them. Zuckerberg also supported the Rohingya Massacre. I think it is Hypocrisy and inconsistency. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 137078 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 09, 2021 03:53 AM
I agree.IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 17279 From: http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?action=viewprofile;username=u36170365 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 09, 2021 10:23 AM
It came much too late. It’s pretty much like the people who are now resigning, when he’s gone in two weeks anyway. He should have been gone long ago. All of them have done this, because he lost the election, and once again incited violence. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 137078 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 09, 2021 12:36 PM
You missed iQ's point. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 137078 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 12, 2021 10:18 PM
iQ, your Banner has been a broken link for days. I removed it today. Let me know when your site is back up, and I’ll restore it.IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer Moderator Posts: 3417 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted January 13, 2021 04:24 AM
The thing that bothers me about this is that it deflects attention away from the people who have committed crimes and treats the public as if they are thick. All leaders are guilty of propaganda, and all people can interpret that as meaning whatever they want it to mean, even a green light for violence. BUT, the decision to riot, loot and murder is predominantly the responsibility of the personalities who committed those crimes.Some people just want blood. Some people just like drama. Some people are just arrogant and aggressive. Doesn't take much to encourage them, but there are plenty people on both sides who did not commit crimes, so we are dealing with two different types of individuals who interpret messages from their leaders in different ways. People need to think clearly for themselves in the midst of a world of propaganda, opposing information, clashing narratives and agendas and out right lying from the highest places. We can never learn to navigate through that minefield by censoring information. The lesson is in discerning what to believe and what not to believe. This move simply reveals who's hands are up Facebook and Twitters arses. I suppose knowing that could be useful, they've revealed their conflict of interest. But they are treating the public like imbeciles - as if we aren't capable of discerning what to believe. Dumbing us down even further. ------------------ Face a situation fearlessly, and there is no situation to face ~ Florence Scovel Shinn ~ IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 6383 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2021 09:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: iQ, your Banner has been a broken link for days. I removed it today. Let me know when your site is back up, and I’ll restore it.
Thanks Randall, the Server Company suddenly went bust and I am in the process of transferring content to another host, will take a few days, I will message you in FB. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer Moderator Posts: 3417 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted January 14, 2021 05:07 AM
BBC have reported on this, including an 'explanation' from Twitter. Seems Snapchat have also banned Mr Trump.Twitter boss: Trump ban is 'right' but 'dangerous' quote: Twitter boss Jack Dorsey has said banning US President Donald Trump was the right thing to do.However, he expressed sadness at what he described as the "extraordinary and untenable circumstances" surrounding Mr Trump's permanent suspension. He also said the ban was in part a failure of Twitter's, which hadn't done enough to foster "healthy conversation" across its platforms. Twitter has been praised and criticised for freezing Mr Trump's account. German leader Angela Merkel and Mexican President Andres Manuel López Obrador - neither an ally of the outgoing US president - spoke out against the tech titan's move. In a long Twitter thread, Twitter's chief said he did not celebrate or feel pride in the ban - which came after the Capitol riot last week. He reiterated that removing the president from Twitter was made after "a clear warning" to Mr Trump.
"We made a decision with the best information we had based on threats to physical safety both on and off Twitter," Mr Dorsey said. He also accepted that the move would have consequences for an open and free internet. "Having to take these actions fragment the public conversation. They divide us….And sets a precedent I feel is dangerous." He also addressed criticism that just a handful of tech bosses can make decisions on who does and doesn't have a voice on the internet - and on accusations of censorship.
"A company making a business decision to moderate itself is different from a government removing access, yet can feel much the same," said Mr Dorsey. The decision to remove users, posts and tweets has been criticised by some for violating First Amendment - free speech - rights. However, big tech firms generally argue that as they are private companies, and not state actors, this law does not apply when they moderate their platforms. Facebook and YouTube have taken steps to silence the president, while Amazon shut down Parler, an app widely used by his supporters. Now Snapchat has also announced that Mr Trump will be permanently banned from its platform too. It had already announced an indefinite suspension, but has now decided that "in the interest of public safety and based on his attempts to spread misinformation, hate speech, and incite violence" to permanently terminate his account. On Monday, the German chancellor's spokesperson said she found the social media ban "problematic". And the Mexican president said: "I don't like anybody being censored." Incoming US President-elect Joe Biden has said he wants companies like Facebook and Twitter to do more to take down hate speech and fake news. He has previously said he wants to repeal Section 230, a law protecting social media companies from being sued for the things people post. It's not clear how Mr Biden intends to regulate Big Tech, though it's likely to be a legislative focus of his.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55657417 ------------------ Face a situation fearlessly, and there is no situation to face ~ Florence Scovel Shinn ~ IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 3042 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted January 14, 2021 07:34 AM
new york state is also ******* him over with some stuffmy main issue with this all is that it gives people more reasons to riot and feel attacked and like they're losing rights (which they are given a lot of crackdowns to free speech and such) it's further stirring the pot and things are already explosive, but i suppose that's unsurprising ultimately the same people who believe italygate is a thing are the same people who are going to see this sort of **** and react very poorly because it really serves to push the same sort of narrative they already believe should be interesting 🍿 that being said i think this sort of violence would have happened left or right no matter who won because it's just been building for a very long time anyway the election was only ever going to be about which side was temporarily pacified and how temporarily would depend on how things went left is bad as far as constitutional rights go, they really hate those first and second amendments, which will in fact make things worse
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iQ Moderator Posts: 6383 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 14, 2021 09:07 AM
The Left Wing would never attack the Capitol Hill in a Military Radio Coordinated Operation with bombs, IEDs, Zip lines, cuffs, mace, Assault Rifles and gallows. They would have probably looted some more super markets.In any case, the RINOs and Independent Voters will now cleanse the GOP, allowing Trump to form an Ultra Right Wing Nationalist Party as the third major party. 50 million Votes are assured. This will help the Democrats even more. I feel there are Dem Strategists who knew the Mob would attack, and yet kept quiet to allow a tragedy of this magnitude to occur and win the Perception War. A Powerful Narrative is now being spun that 100+ more Republicans would have voted for impeachment but did not do so as they feared for the lives of their families. A New Monster is being created and nurtured, way more deadly than Iran or Al-Qaeda. It looks quite Karmic [Iraq, Afghan, Syria, Libya, Muslim Ban, blaming Muslims in UK/Sweden etc etc], and Americans have their plate full for the next few years in dealing with this monster. I will not be surprised if a spate of mass shootings conveniently occurs from this convenient monster so that Guns can be taken away. The Solution is very easy. If MAGA Protestors March without arms and hug every Black/POC who passes by, they can win back the Optics. If they keep screaming like Wild Rabid Dogs and proudly show off their assault rifles all the time, then, best of luck to them, they are destined to be perennial losers . IP: Logged |
Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 3042 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted January 14, 2021 11:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by iQ: The Left Wing would never attack the Capitol Hill in a Military Radio Coordinated Operation with bombs, IEDs, Zip lines, cuffs, mace, Assault Rifles and gallows. They would have probably looted some more super markets.In any case, the RINOs and Independent Voters will now cleanse the GOP, allowing Trump to form an Ultra Right Wing Nationalist Party as the third major party. 50 million Votes are assured. This will help the Democrats even more. I feel there are Dem Strategists who knew the Mob would attack, and yet kept quiet to allow a tragedy of this magnitude to occur and win the Perception War. A Powerful Narrative is now being spun that 100+ more Republicans would have voted for impeachment but did not do so as they feared for the lives of their families. A New Monster is being created and nurtured, way more deadly than Iran or Al-Qaeda. It looks quite Karmic [Iraq, Afghan, Syria, Libya, Muslim Ban, blaming Muslims in UK/Sweden etc etc], and Americans have their plate full for the next few years in dealing with this monster. I will not be surprised if a spate of mass shootings conveniently occurs from this convenient monster so that Guns can be taken away. The Solution is very easy. If MAGA Protestors March without arms and hug every Black/POC who passes by, they can win back the Optics. If they keep screaming like Wild Rabid Dogs and proudly show off their assault rifles all the time, then, best of luck to them, they are destined to be perennial losers .
you're actually wrong yes thus far they've been ineffectual and lashing out violently against innocent people but you're very misinformed if you think none of them have considered larger targets to expect them to remain that way over the longterm i think would be naive at least based on **** my ex used to follow (towards the end of the relationship she became an extreme leftist, communist actually, you can imagine that caused a good deal of friction between us) the far left just didn't do it first and i think that's largely due to their inability to organize and the fact that the right was in general more prepared for a longer stretch of time, also their beliefs in the constitutional right to bear arms and such gave them a larger advantage in weaponry the left being largely anti 2nd amendment means they're more likely to improvise which is why they stick to things like molotovs and bludgeoning weapons but that only lasts so long and there are pro 2nd amendment fringe far leftists i agree 100% on the mass shootings and it being karmic on some level just due to the transits going on currently and the ways they're shifting a guy i know pointed out something interesting about massive riots and saturn in aquarius, particularly when harshly aspected by mars and eclipses also seem to play a role pulled up a bunch of charts, you may find that interesting this does all feel like it's setting the stage for something and is convenient for the dnc in many ways and also convenient as far as attacking both the 1st and 2nd amendment not to mention these moves seem like a very convenient way to stir **** and anyone can plainly see why they're bad moves when it comes to the people who think in line with those who invaded the capitol feeds all their beliefs and concerns
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Dumuzi Knowflake Posts: 3042 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted January 14, 2021 11:12 AM
kenosha actually is a perfect example of the left bearing arms, the guy rittenhouse shot in the arm was both a leftist protestor and in possession of a gun (illegally if i recall correctly, would have to fact check that last bit but i'm relatively certain he was not legally allowed to have a gun) IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer Moderator Posts: 3417 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted January 16, 2021 09:27 AM
U.S. Senate Republican asks tech firms to explain account, content removals quote: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The outgoing Republican chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee asked the chief executives of five major U.S. tech firms to answer detailed questions about decisions to restrict or permanently ban accounts of conservative users.Senator Roger Wicker sent letters to Apple Inc, Facebook Inc, Amazon.com Inc, Alphabet Inc and Twitter in which he said “thousands of conservative users’ accounts and content” have been “restricted or permanently removed from platforms.” http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tech-senate/u-s-senate-republican-asks-tech-firms-to-explain-account-content-removals-idUSKBN29K2LL
I wonder how they will respond... ------------------ Face a situation fearlessly, and there is no situation to face ~ Florence Scovel Shinn ~ IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 137078 From: Your Friendly Neighborhood Juris Doctorate. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 17, 2021 05:44 PM
President Trump and other prominent conservatives are on Telegram.IP: Logged | |