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hippichick
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posted September 27, 2011 11:22 PM
  
I dont know where to post this, IF this is not the appropriate place, please move!  I want to know, from you experienced astrologers and you wise folks...when does it end with Pisces? Do we ever loose the almost neurotic need to help the helpless? Does it ever end that we think of others more than ourselves? Does it ever stop that we let others walk all over us cause we feel their pain and it doesnt matter about our own. Is there ever a line drawn between others pain and our own? When do we stop attracting the needy, the downtrodden, the druggies, the alcoholics, the crazies??? When are we able to say no? .... And yes to us? I am tired...almost a half a century of this...when will it end? blessings t~~~ IP: Logged |
GypseeWind
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posted September 28, 2011 03:52 AM
Hello Dear Sweet Hippichick  My answer to you, in all honesty is..
never. But my question is why would you want to? I know your soul is weary, and some days you feel sucked dry.. but just know the profound good will and acceptance and overwhelming ability to be NON-judgemental are the very qualities about you that draws those who are lost and wandering
and hurting and rejected. Sure, they may end up being con artists or liars, but it's probably because some where along the line they had to be, had to adapt to that in order for survival.  I'm pretty high in Neptune myself, and I have Neptune in the 7th house, so, I understand attracting those people who are so broken.. I am not working, and rarely go out, but still I attract them! All it takes is a computer and they find me, lol. And having saturn and chiron conj in Pisces in the 12th house tells me that I have lessons to learn, maybe you do as well? It isn't going to make you happy turning people away, you can't go against your very nature and be happy..
but, perhaps you could start by writing up a list of non-negotiable boundaries..
Just things between you and yourself, and if you find a person starts violating these things.. you just slowly back off and drift away. I think Pisces is the best sign.
I adore Pisces people, they are my absolute weakness, male and female.
I think Jesus epitomizes a Pisces so perfectly b/c he never ever judged (that was his Dad's job, not his-- not trying to have a religious debate, just using the first person that came to my mind) he accepted everyone at face value, believed what they told him, shared everything he had, forgave even in the midst of betrayal and/or pain.
That's what Pisces do, that's who they are.
(SIGH, not all of them, not all the time- usual disclaimer applies)... I've been sick and yesterday my pisces daughter came over with her pisces baby boy, and they stayed a few hours, talking and playing.. My daughter's voice is lilting and musical, and her little boys is as well..
he talks in his own gibberish language which is so very magical.. I drifted off to sleep for a moment thinking how blessed I was to have such wonderous creatures in my life, and I bet, Hippichick,
that there are people in YOUR life that
feel that very same way about you.
 ETA: something about neptune...
http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/how-strong-is-your-neptune-here%E2%80%99s-the-score/ IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted September 28, 2011 08:59 AM
Gypsee, beautiful, heartful and well written~thank you.I developed boundaries, a loooong time ago, but myself, like you...they find me. And I have learned to say "no." And in reality, I know it will never end...maybe just the Pisces needs to tweak the perception of it all? My 19 year old Aqua daughter (who is a very gifted natural astrologer, with very little book study) and I were verbally discussing some things astrological last night. I, too, used to associate Jesus with Pisces, enter The Age of Pisces, the Fish symbolism, his gift for forgivness, kindness....but Sam differed. She thinks Jesus was more associated if not even born under the sign of Aquarius, pouring life down onto humanity, speaking to the thousands, millions...enough to have a religion started after his teachings. I think the kind of entrepeneur of religion...lol! She said "God" is Pisces...the end all the be all the one who takes all the pain and heals it... Hmmmmmmm.... DanyaLynn posted something on opposites that really made me think as well (since alot of my woes come from a particular Vrigin...) she basically said that Virgo and Pisces are both signs of service, Virgo serving this world, this 3d place we live, the mundane things, people, etc. whereas Pisces serves, well, kind of God, the universe, something more encompassing....my daughter said Virgo serves humanity, Pisces serves God. Godspeed on your healings! And thanks for your beautiful wisdom! You will be healed three fold from your healing of others... t~~~ IP: Logged |
StelliumH6
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posted September 28, 2011 11:51 AM
I do not consider myself the downtrodden, actually I think I am a strong person.
My Pisces friend has taken a lot of my pain in the last 2 years and made it slowly go away. He always makes me happier.
He is a Pisces Sun/Venus and Libra Moon. I frequently thank him for being who he is. I know it is bothersome for him when he feels so much stress and pressure on his shoulders. We will tell and remind you wonderful Pisces how much you are loved for loving us! IP: Logged |
spartacus
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posted September 28, 2011 12:46 PM
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hippichick
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posted September 29, 2011 09:15 AM
Stellium, than you! Yes we do take in the pain, we just have to remember not to make it ours and re-lease!!!Spartacus..Where in the devil is Hudspeth County? Far from Bexar.....And I do not intend to have a next lifetime and what does the hippi Disctict of SA have to do with my question? t~~~ IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted September 29, 2011 10:42 AM
Hey, arent you a Saggie Stellium? I think Gyupsee is one too...I adore Saggies, so cool, so layed back, but there is this internal fire....A good match for Pisces!!!
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GypseeWind
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posted September 30, 2011 01:18 AM
Hey Hippichick~I only have sun/venus in sag.
I have a 6th house stellium though, so I vibe virgo to many folks.
My Mom, 2 brothers, and my dad's life long GF are all Virgos.. So, I understand where you are coming from.
You are dating your opposite sign.
I commend you for this. lol.
I have never had the courage to tackle that in MY lifetime, and don't see me seeking out any Gem's in the near or distant future! But, anyway, God love Virgo, you know how I picture them...
Or at least how I picture them versus Sag.. Virgo is like Mr. Magoo, with that big huge magnifying glass in front of his eyeball, lol
and he's so busy studying, O, IDK, the stiching job on his cardigan
that he walks straight into the giant open man hole in the street. Sag can see the man hole from a football field away, as well as anything in an incredible range of perphirial (sp) vision, but HER cardigan will have unraveled by the time she reaches the man hole b/c she probably didn't inspect in when she bought it (ok, she hates to shop, someone put it out with the trash, and she swiped it, its OK, she washed it!) and it had a giant hole! Now, use that sort of thinking with your own sign!
Pisces isn't looking at the man hole, the sweater or the street!
They are either mind-melded into the person waaayyy on the other side of the street who just had their elderly aunt pass away, and they are so lost and sad that Pisces can feel it, and just wants to comfort them so badly..
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they are head first into their fantasy vision of what-happens-next.. where we go, what we do, when we are gone from here. Hard to imagine those two coming together on anything, isn't it!!
Both are caretakers though, so you have that.
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StelliumH6
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posted September 30, 2011 01:27 PM
Actually I am an Aquarius Sun with a Sagittarius Stellium in the 6th house (Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Neptune ..)IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted September 30, 2011 08:41 PM
LOL, well who knows where I drempt up that, ladies... IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted October 01, 2011 01:50 AM
Pis Asc with a Leo Stellium in H6 (sun,moon,mercury,mars) I guess its my duty to some how serve people, and be available to them, and some how help in times of need.. When I need help, no-one is available for me... There are many times when I just cant.. Being a pisces asc, people are just drawn to come to me with their problems... Thats ok I like to help, but at times I just cant take it..
thats when my pisces nature takes over and I go and disappear and go into solitude for a while..
This is something that pisces just have to do, they need to disconnect to recharge. When I feel I need the break, I just kind of say it out loud.. I cant take the issues right now... I need some alone time and peace... Then it just kind of drops off, or I will only get small issues come to me... Once I feel better, I say out loud, ok Im ready... I can go again... Remember you wont be given anything that you cant handle, and everything has a deeper purpose.
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Stawr
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posted October 02, 2011 03:25 AM
I know what you mean! I have Venus Pisces...I swore of certain guys...like that. That's why I've been single for a year, I dont know how to do different.
But now there is this guy in my life that is a bit tempting and he does this one pill that he crushes up and snorts up his nose, I've had this pill before, but that was only because I got my wisdom teeth pulled.But yes with me there is a line...when I realise I am being walked on, then after a while I call the person out...Scorpio Moon style LOL...my ex use to describe it as me verbally tearing him a new ass, Like I don't mind doing favors...but if someone makes such a habbit of it(lending money, getting the tab, driving people places) and not getting much in return I condsider that treating me like crap...and I will eventully blow up and or resent the person. IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted October 02, 2011 03:29 AM
I also have Mercury in house 12 and it's my chart rulerIP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted October 03, 2011 12:04 PM
Gypsee, I am having so much fun with the Donna Cunningham link you posted. Blogs on Neptune boundaries are excellent!IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted October 03, 2011 12:09 PM
Lioness...YES! I do believe and certainly hope that we are not engaged in situations that we can not handle...I too, experience the negative stuff dropping off at some point, tho lately I have had to work at making it go away so as to not fall into a deeeep depression!IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted October 03, 2011 12:15 PM
Stawr...your Scorp Moon will always be of help to you! I have a Scorp asc and have often joked, that my Pisces sun has a beautiful mermaid tail, however, that tail can turn into a stinging Scorpion tail, when pushed...O boy can it!IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted October 03, 2011 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by hippichick:
Lioness...YES! I do believe and certainly hope that we are not engaged in situations that we can not handle...I too, experience the negative stuff dropping off at some point, tho lately I have had to work at making it go away so as to not fall into a deeeep depression!
Just keep saying to your self.. i need the break.. Im taking a break... People will vibe it from you, and just kinda know...
Promise to be back when feeling better...
Once your ready.. Say It! Im ready for another... Watch it will come back... I keep doing this... Its been working for me.. IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted October 06, 2011 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by hippichick:
Stawr...your Scorp Moon will always be of help to you! I have a Scorp asc and have often joked, that my Pisces sun has a beautiful mermaid tail, however, that tail can turn into a stinging Scorpion tail, when pushed...O boy can it!
Yes I sometimes wonder what I would be like without the Scorpio influence. I also read this fun fact about an Aries Sun with Scorp Moon
"you are capable of demanding little and giving much; but you won't be imposed on, and you have a sure instinct for the chiseller, the sycophant, or the fawner who may seek your friendship merely to be helped by your money or your influence. Him you detect and scorn. But you will give the shirt off your back for a worthy person, though you have in general little interest in causes. You will help individuals and let the causes take care of themselves." Spot on! IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted October 06, 2011 02:33 PM
So....today I stop by a Walgreens, as soon as I get out of my truck a man approached me...a very fair African-American man who told me his sob story, his daughter was in the car, just bought her first car, his wife got angry and took off with all their money in another car...promised me he was legit, played Major League baseball, yadayadayada.....I refused him money, said I did not have cash...he told me to go use the ATM, when I refused again..he got angry and agressive.I went into the Walgreens, told the cashier, who called the manager, when the manager approached him and saw me, his eloquent speach turned into a very agressive hoodie type of slang "man that girl is trippin!" Just another one to chalk up for my ability to attract the least desirables of society Course, according to Virgo boyfriend, (implied) it was my bad for talking to the guy...but I finally understand the Virgoan nature to fix one with "constructive critism" lol! IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted October 08, 2011 08:04 PM
Oh yeah...
One time when my mom was in Detroit(in one of the many bad area's) a guy told her "hey if you give me money...I'll make sure nothing happens to you car."
My mom said I don't have any money that's why I parked where I don't have to pay. (LOL)but then the same thing happened to someone else we knew...she gave the "man" the cold shoulder and when she came back to her car, her tires where slashed. IP: Logged |
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posted October 14, 2011 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by hippichick:
Course, according to Virgo boyfriend, (implied) it was my bad for talking to the guy...but I finally understand the Virgoan nature to fix one with "constructive critism" lol!
I'm Pisces Sun and I would say the same thing as your Virgo boyfriend. You need to listen to your intuition a bit more. Just because you attract what you call crazy it # 1) does not mean that you have to talk to them and # 2) if you do talk to them that you do not have to allow yourself to be dragged down to their level. If they are sick then you cannot rationally think that getting close to them, mixing energy fields, is going to support you in any way so you have to protect yourself from them if you do choose to associate. Protection from the beginning not as an afterthought. I remember you having a good amount of Aquarius which is naturally friendly, don't know how much that hinders you with respect to this kind of situation. Obviously these people are picking up on your vulnerability otherwise they'd be leaving you alone. The guy in the front of the store was prob acting like that for his amusement unless he was mentally ill. Protect yourself a bit more and this situation will lessen.
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"Do we ever loose the almost neurotic need to help the helpless?"
---I will help if there is immediate need. Otherwise I believe in giving people the tools to help themselves and based on whether they do indeed want assistance they will make use of those tools or if not they will spiral further down. If they want to spiral down I leave it to them to figure out when enough is enough. I don't like to meddle and I don't like people whining to me always expecting me to be there for them because I believe people should be there for themselves ultimately and only seek assistance when in obvious need. If people need mental help they need therapy or an outlet, but not someone to take it out on or someone to pacify them at every turn.
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"Does it ever end that we think of others more than ourselves?"
---If you derive personal satisfaction from helping others then this will be a mainstay in your mind. If you derive personal satisfaction from a drug your thoughts will be tied to when you can get your next hit. Makes sense to me. I think of food when I'm hungry cos it'll make me happy to be fed. When full then hunger ceases. Speaking just for me, I like helping people that I personally feel will directly benefit in a positive way, I need to see progress, I don't like random handing out of goodies and lovies cos to me that looks like wasted investment, I want to see returns. When I see returns I don't care if it's not me being helped in the process since it is not wasted effort. If my efforts were wasted, like I used to hand out in the past, that leads me to feeling drained and as if I'm forgetting myself. So you could say I'm more picky now with what I hand out, I've come to understand my sensitivity and my limited energy and I respect it.
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"Does it ever stop that we let others walk all over us cause we feel their pain and it doesnt matter about our own."
---It does for me, lol! That is madness. Not judging, I just mean I could not survive in that manner. Like I said there is a limit. Sometimes it's a matter of not even knowing what you will and won't tolerate since with Pisces the boundaries are hazy and ever changing so I could see how Pisces/Neptune person could feel like that. Tricky here, cos you have to know your boundaries before you can verbalize them to another, esp to someone who cannot take a hint cos they're not in a right mental or emotional state. Healthy people can take hints usually, no problem.
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"Is there ever a line drawn between others pain and our own?"
---Not really. You're able to feel it strongly cos you can tune into it. I personally like being able to tune into other people, actually. I don't see it as a neg and I have no probs turning the switch off and focusing attentions elsewhere. It is a cool trick, imo!
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"When do we stop attracting the needy, the downtrodden, the druggies, the alcoholics, the crazies???"
---Like attracts like imo, Pisces is not known for being the most sane of the bunch. The type of people you describe here are also often regularly shunned and look for a safe haven and/or a vulnerable target. Voila. For them to be able to get to you at all you would have to be giving them an 'in' if you get my drift. Close off that channel and they will poof. But if you close it off you also lose ability for the positive things that happen due to being open. I think it's worth the risk if you just remind yourself that not everyone has your best interests at heart and that you do need protection so as to not feel drained, lost, confused.IP: Logged |
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posted October 15, 2011 09:38 AM
Pisces...when do we stop?... I am tired...almost a half a century of this...when will it end?
When u clench ur teeth n say NO MORE!!
Otherwise it never ends ><
Living like that is a grave waste for Pisces energy.
Signs are like lessons in the stairs of perfection.
Put in other words - delaying part of the fun for a greater good.
But gradually with efforts we somehow lose of sight most important - the sheer ability to enjoy life. Yea, here and now! Which at the end of the day is the whole point. So this Pisces lesson is to have fun, to think for yourself only.
To expand&enrich ability to enjoy - Ven exalted.
It's your DUTY to keep ur mind about you.
Or you r failing the most important last test.
Just concentrate on something u adore to do.
No matter what is it - lovemaking, nature, fashion, meditations, art, whatever.
N don't allow to be distracted for ANY "needy for help" reason lol It's up to you!
Cheers!!
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hippichick
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posted October 15, 2011 11:07 AM
Lonake...amazing!!! Very, very valuable input! The creepo approached me with "are you from around here?" We get alot of tourists, newcommers to my neck of the woods, especially with Sea World as my neighbor, and yes...my Aqua (in the 3rd)makes me friendly...sigh...IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted October 15, 2011 11:08 AM
wavelink...also very, very good advice, thank you!!!
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posted October 15, 2011 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by hippichick:
I dont know where to post this, IF this is not the appropriate place, please move! I want to know, from you experienced astrologers and you wise folks...when does it end with Pisces? Do we ever loose the almost neurotic need to help the helpless? Does it ever end that we think of others more than ourselves? Does it ever stop that we let others walk all over us cause we feel their pain and it doesnt matter about our own. Is there ever a line drawn between others pain and our own? When do we stop attracting the needy, the downtrodden, the druggies, the alcoholics, the crazies??? When are we able to say no? .... And yes to us? I am tired...almost a half a century of this...when will it end? blessings t~~~
It is not only Pisces.
I am like that too.
Scorpio Sun
Aqua Moon
Cap Asc.
Not sure what might be in my chart to indicate my being as described more often than not.
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