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Topic: Pot
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted March 26, 2013 10:07 AM
  
I don't know much about it. I have been fortunate in that I stayed away from drugs. However, a dear young man I know OD ed on Methadone. He tried to get off pot, so he could get a job and not have it show on the drug test. Would it have been better to stay on pot?Thanks for any help  ------------------
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mockingbird
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posted March 26, 2013 10:34 AM
I've known people who have really gone overboard with it, but (to me) it's no worse than alcohol - perhaps better in certain respects because it's not physically addictive (though there are people emotionally/mentally dependent on it), there's no all-day hangover, and you cannot realistically OD.Personally, I think the main reason it's still illegal is because pharmaceutical companies are busily trying to replicate some of its key components for sale - they can't make money off of it if Grandma can grow it in her back yard. And I say this as someone as doesn't smoke at all. ...though if I get cancer or something when I'm older (post residential children) I'm totally growing some for my own consumption.
They can haul my butt away to jail and pay for my treatment if they're that bothered by it. ------------------
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PixieJane
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posted March 26, 2013 10:52 AM
Taking methadone for pot? Ridiculous! I have never heard of anyone doing that for pot and as it's a completely different drug with different effects I can't imagine why anyone would even try. Even drinking whiskey to replace pot makes more sense.And he certainly wasn't prescribed it for pot legally (if I'm wrong on that then REPORT them to the FDA and media as that's too stupid even for the government to get away with). It's prescribed to help people deal with the withdrawals from opium-based (that is, NOT pot) drugs like heroin and morphine (as well as some serious physical problems bad enough that he'd qualify for disability if he'd gotten methadone for that instead). And its negative side effects are such that he would have no choice (assuming his impulse control/addiction was that bad) but to go back to pot to deal with the nausea (sometimes to the point of vomiting), pain, inability to eat, and all the other horrible things it does (btw, I think I recall reading once that it's ironically more addictive and deadly than heroin, though it also doesn't feel anywhere as good). And I strongly doubt he could've gotten a job while enduring the side effects. All in all it does not sound like he had any real sense and/or took mind boggling bad advice in taking methadone for pot, which of course he would've done illegally. IP: Logged |
starfairy
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posted March 26, 2013 11:50 AM
Yeahhh, that's odd. Methadone is given to heroin addicts, like Pixie said. Definitely just should have kept smoking pot. I smoke pot, and it can be addictive, for sure, but not *that* addictive. The withdrawal is manageable.IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted March 26, 2013 12:36 PM
pot is harmless if you only use it in moderation. it just thinks more funny and entertaining. the last time i smoked i watched the newest jacka** movie and thought i was gonna have a heart attack i was laughing soo hard.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted March 26, 2013 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by starfairy:
Yeahhh, that's odd. Methadone is given to heroin addicts, like Pixie said. Definitely just should have kept smoking pot. I smoke pot, and it can be addictive, for sure, but not *that* addictive. The withdrawal is manageable.
Yes, he was in a group situation where he told everyone he wanted to give up pot and find a job. He should have stayed on it. He was one of the brightest lights I ever knew. I am devastated by it  ------------------
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katatonic
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posted March 26, 2013 01:59 PM
Methadone is a highly addictive heroin substitute that no one with an ounce of sense would take to get off pot, a non addictive substance. Plus the penalties for possession without a prescription are severe, and no one would prescribe it. I suspect you are being lied to, or are posing a "hypothetical" problem? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 26, 2013 02:27 PM
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katatonic
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posted March 26, 2013 02:39 PM
Come again? As in what do you mean?IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted March 26, 2013 03:41 PM
It is God's herb...But God's herb has been taken and manipulated, to much lesser than heroin...from poppy... There is nothing wrong with smoking pot, in my opinion! Consider this: One gets drunk..drives and swerves and kills oneself, or others...
Pot...LOL! they drive so slow....overly paranoid, stays within lanes, obeys traffic symbols and that is IF one can get off the sofa to drive!
Its all about politics. There is so much pot going around that IF they were to legalize it, profit goes down for "the law." On the other hand, there would be so much more revenue for society IF pot were legal..munchies!!! YES! All kinds of food industries would profit, but that is the little guy...government is the big guy... Government stands to gain more profit from keeping it illegal.
And, it was my drug of choice back in the day, but due to the current stipulations, cant go there...
It is not a bad thing...and agree with all that has already been said!  IP: Logged |
Lexxigramer
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From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted March 26, 2013 04:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
Methadone is a highly addictive heroin substitute that no one with an ounce of sense would take to get off pot, a non addictive substance. Plus the penalties for possession without a prescription are severe, and no one would prescribe it. I suspect you are being lied to, or are posing a "hypothetical" problem?
I was thinking the same thing.
And so it seems everyone who has replied here
finds the Methadone story not right.
Using Methadone to get weaned off pot just sounds not true. 
Ami 
katatonic had a valid question and others here are wondering about this Methadone story too.
Yet you have yet another go at katatonic.
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
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I missed what you edited out but can only assume from your track record with going at her and name calling;
that it was something nasty.
Why not just answer her question?
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katatonic
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posted March 26, 2013 04:27 PM
She said, unintelligibly to me,"how YOU could hypothetical is amazing", or something close. I have no idea what the question was, since there was no verb or object i could see, nor why the YOU was capitalized. I am left to conclude that whatever it was amy didn't really want to know after all..never mind. IP: Logged |
Padre35
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From: Asheville, NC, US
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posted March 26, 2013 05:10 PM
One of the dangers with Mary Jane is the idea that it is basically harmless and beneficial.It CAN be harmless and beneficial, it can also take over people's lives. Not in the heroin sense rather life more becomes about doing just enough to get by, and purchase more weed. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted March 26, 2013 06:06 PM
true, padre, but the problem lies within the user not the substance. some people will make themselves ill eating foods they know from experience are not good for them...sugar being high on the list...but pot is infinitely less likely to kill you than methadone, and if one is going to be drug-tested it is also less likely to worry your prospective employer. for instance i don't believe anyone has ever died from an overdose of pot, maybe the resulting actions could kill one, but not the weed itself. methadone is more addictive than heroin, though. and it is NEVER used to wean people off pot. in fact methadone is notoriously unsuccessful in breaking heroin addiction, for though methadone is more addictive, it is harder to get on the street, and therefore many methadone graduates end up using heroin again almost immediately they get off the program. if all these drugs were legal it would become fairly obvious that it is the individual, not the drug, that kills and ruins lives. and it would be up to the individual to refrain or use "responsibly"...which personally i think would be good for people's sense of personal power, instead of blaming the drug for our weaknesses... IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted March 26, 2013 06:28 PM
Exactly, pixie jane nailed methadone quite well..not on a bet. All it amounts to is switching heroin users to methadone users.As for Mary Jane, what I've seen is it can simply reduce people in life to just sort of a wake and bake, wanna get high, situation. Occasional use (though I don't partake) is not really an issue imo. But like Arsenic, just because a substance is natural does not mean it is completely beneficial if used to often. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted March 26, 2013 06:42 PM
i am reminded of many people i have known...most of them men, which has made me wonder if there is a hormonal/metabolistic reason ... who have grown successful careers and families, smoking weed day and night long. of course there are some heroin users who have also succeeded at this, but except in countries where heroin was made legal and regulated, it is very dangerous to try, since the quality of heroin is much more erratic, and bad stuff can kill you in a minute.but i hear you, there are many who overdo pot too and that cancels out its benefits. still, the achiever-smokers(eaters) reinforce my suspicion that "know thyself" is the most important factor in the equation.. IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted March 26, 2013 07:03 PM
Exactly, I do think there are metabolic/tolerance issues. I've witnessed this myself:Two super intelligent guys, both were into pot, one basically sold pot to finance his way through college, the other wound up growing ultra high grade stuff and sold it. One is a system admin at a fortune 500 company, the other wound up being killed by his ex wife breaking into her apartment. Yaneverknow, this is one of the reasons why I'm neutral on MJ, I've seen both sides of where that road can lead to say either "it's wonderful" or "it's tragic" would be equally untrue. IP: Logged |
virgolotus
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posted March 26, 2013 08:08 PM
Uhm.. methadone is for heroin addicts in recovery... not for people trying to stop weed. That is crazy! The withdrawals from weed aren't even that intense so there was no need for that.I'm sorry for the lost though. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 40323
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted March 26, 2013 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by virgolotus:
Uhm.. methadone is for heroin addicts in recovery... not for people trying to stop weed. That is crazy! The withdrawals from weed aren't even that intense so there was no need for that.I'm sorry for the lost though.
Thank you Ems
He was a heroin addict in recovery and smoking pot. What happened was that he had to go to the clinic and get Methadone every day. Then, he allowed him to get a 3 week supply. I don't know the specifics of what he took to have the overdoes. He tried to quit pot. I was thinking that maybe pot helped him and he should not have tried to quit. I don't know much about drugs as thankfully I have not had the personal experience with them, so I may not have explained it well. Thank you to the sweet people who figured that out and offered condolences. Bless you, Friends 
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katatonic
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posted March 26, 2013 08:53 PM
Well, pot is not a great substitute for heroin but i can see how an addict would become addicted to any substance, including pot, though it is not physically addictive i tend to think some PEOPLE are prone to addiction, and others can take heroin and walk away by the same dynamic...But i don't know why a prospective boss would shun a pot smoker and not a methadone user. It isn't hard to imagine addicts making rationalizations, though, that is classic behaviour. It is always sad when people get lost and overwhelmed by substances, especially potentially lethal ones. Many "normal healthy" folk are killing themselves slowly woth substances considered quite harmless. IP: Logged |
cappy1277
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From: philadelphia,pa
Registered: Jul 2009
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posted March 26, 2013 09:19 PM
Methadone is the legal form of heroin. It is just replacing one addiction for the other, only it's legal & you can walk into a clinic to have it distributed. Their is no substitute for smoking pot. You just quit, go through the withdrawals and that's it. I've smoked plenty of pot in my younger years and one day I just stopped to never look back IP: Logged |
cappy1277
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From: philadelphia,pa
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posted March 26, 2013 09:24 PM
The clinic that gave him a 3 week supply of methadone should be in violation as I am sure that they are aware of what it is...that's absurd. In Philadelphia where I am, heroin addicts are prevalent and it's known that their is 100% pure heroin in the streets. Recovering addicts are not allowed to get methadone unless they attend a meeting. In my lifetime, I have lost 6 friends to heroin addiction and the complications that came with it. My friend just passed away from hepatitis in November for sharing needles. IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted March 27, 2013 06:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cappy1277:
Methadone is the legal form of heroin. It is just replacing one addiction for the other, only it's legal & you can walk into a clinic to have it distributed. Their is no substitute for smoking pot. You just quit, go through the withdrawals and that's it. I've smoked plenty of pot in my younger years and one day I just stopped to never look back
Absolutely! I take care of pleanty of patients on Methadone...and the withdrawls are no better than heroin... Methadone/Heroin addiction is a sea compared to a drop in the sea such as weed... IP: Logged |
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