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Topic: NLP persuasion
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T Knowflake Posts: 9528 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 19, 2012 10:14 PM
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RedScorp Knowflake Posts: 4934 From: The Sun Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2012 12:04 AM
What isnlp persuasion because I tried to look it up but got nowhere, IP: Logged |
ail221 Moderator Posts: 3472 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted October 20, 2012 12:08 AM
Neuro-Linguistic Programming IP: Logged |
PixieJane Knowflake Posts: 2200 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted October 20, 2012 12:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by T: Knowing that if they repeated something long enough to someone (and other people) eventaully they'd all believe it.
Isn't that one of the primary aspects of advertisement & propaganda that make it so effective? Speaking of which, I recall a scary thing that happened. It was in 2003 and everyone believed we were in Iraq to liberate the Iraq people, and when I posted the original reasons no one believed me. A bit disturbed I decided to double check it as I was at the library (I had no computer of my own back then) but even the librarian didn't remember the earlier reasons and I began to wonder if I imagined it, but it was so vivid that was scary. I was able to recall one magazine (either TIME or Newsweek, can't remember which one now) and knew it couldn't be more than a few months old so I asked her for the back issues and quickly found it. When the librarian saw the cover giving an earlier reason she suddenly remembered all the other reasons as well and was disturbed that she'd forgotten. For a brief second I felt better knowing I hadn't imagined it, but then I got scared again...how DID so many people forget? My imagination tormented me with thinking there was some effective mind control at work (which I didn't believe but right then I instantly and sincerely reconsidered) and my having proven resistant to it perhaps I'd already been flagged by government agents for remembering and for investigation and possible "re education." It was one of my rare paranoid episodes, even if it only lasted a few minutes. But as I thought about it, I realized a few minutes later what it was: the news media are lapdogs for the government (otherwise they don't get to attend White House press conferences, etc, and thus lag behind their competitors, plus the government has been known to get even dirtier when particularly annoyed, like one station and its owners that got sicked by the IRS immediately after doing an investigative report on political corruption), and thus typically repeat whatever they say without challenge. And the White House had first started with "punishing Iraq for 9/11" IIRC which didn't fly, and then changed the reason (unpopular with the public) every few days until people responded well to "liberating the Iraqis" and then it repeated it over and over again day in and out as people passively watched TV. Given that people often watch TV in a semi-hypnotic state (relaxed, tired, lulled by the flickering, often on drugs & alcohol, and a guy who went to film school said every minor detail, even in a news broadcast, is there for a reason, to sometimes subliminally influence the viewer), and hearing it over and over it hypnotized them into forgetting the reasons they only heard a few times as it drowned in the reason that was repeated ad nauseum. But I didn't have a TV, I got all my news from the library (papers, mags, computer, etc) as well as listening to others and a few bookshops, so I wasn't hypnotized, and therefore I didn't forget. Backing this was my remembering that people who get their news outside of America were better at remembering what disappears down our nation's memory hole. For example, one conservative praised the invasion of Iraq as just punishment for 9/11 and linked to footage of Iraqis supposedly dancing in the streets over it, and then after "mission accomplished" (and after the reason for invading had been changed) he linked to the same footage of Iraqis dancing at having been liberated by American forces and had completely forgotten the "avenge 9/11" reason he (like the White House) originally gave when a Canadian pointed it out. And that is a type of mind control and a core component is repeating itself over & over again. At that point I stopped being scared because it was a process I understood. Still, it was depressing...I also recalled how I once came back from a day of hiking to reach the residential streets at dusk and from house after house came the blue glow of the TV...house after house being mind controlled, or at least distracted. I'm not against TV myself, mind you, as long as it's viewed with a certain awareness and in moderation, great, but society is effectively controlled by it and become the new and improved opiate of the people. quote: Originally posted by T: Anyone familiar with this or have experiences with people using this on them? I find that it works on naieve people, or on people that are under the parent who's usings this influence when their mind has not fully developed. Or perhaps in a relationship with someone learned in this technique.This is something that has piqued my interest again lately and I'm trying to learn more about it, in order to protect myself from certain people
I tried looking it up on YT but I don't have the time & interest to pursue it much. There is this that links to a site but the "part 1" is a deception, there are no other parts, you're supposed to click on the site instead, and I don't like being lied to & manipulated that way. But if you're interested (this YT just promises what it will teach you and how to use it in selfish ways as well as how to defend yourself from it): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS0iQCn2ut8 If you decide to go to the link, learn about it (I expect you'll be paying money for that) and all that then please share a review with a couple of excerpts. IP: Logged |
PixieJane Knowflake Posts: 2200 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted October 20, 2012 12:20 AM
quote: Originally posted by RedScorp: What isnlp persuasion because I tried to look it up but got nowhere,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming IP: Logged |
Lei_Kuei Moderator Posts: 933 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 20, 2012 12:29 AM
Cheap Jedi Mind Tricks...Those were the Droids we were looking for! ------------------ ~*~ Did you know that a circle is round? ~*~ - Tautology You can't handle my level of Tinfoil! ~ {;,;} IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 27601 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 20, 2012 12:47 AM
Wikipedia pretty much sums it up. It is largely disproven pseudoscientific gobbledygook and certainly nothing to protect oneself from. But I do find some merit in its use during negotiating. As such, NLP is really just good communication skills that relay the win/win situation in a negotiation. In a good negotiation, both sides should feel that they walk away with the best offer. But it's nothing evil or some mysterious power to be feared. People who promote that pitch just have something to sell you. Effective communication skills are a positive thing, not negative. How can it be negative to communicate well? And through good communication, one can pursuade others to see your side or both sides to a situation. So, some NLP tactics can have real world applications, as we are all selling ourselves to others in life in some way and can benefit from better communication skills, but most of it is just inflated superfluous BS. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
SunChild Moderator Posts: 3876 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 20, 2012 01:22 AM
I have a book called NLP in business. Entrepreneurs in the health arena like David Wolfe openly admit that was their strategy for "success". That is, in his example, he wants you to want superfood more than you want coca cola. He is all about persuasion and wants to be better at it the other corporations. He applies the NLP basics in all his lectures/ infomercials So yeah, it's a good practise for business. Can be used for pos. and neg. I'm not so into it. I had a person try persuade me to do many strange things, NLP or whatever was going on there, I was straight up defensive. I can not be hypnotized or NLP'd (husband and I joke about that all the time and laugh at dumb tv advertisements when we catch them ... Same goes with the charmers, psychos and salesmen)
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 27601 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 20, 2012 01:36 AM
Manipulation through fear, threats, intimidation, and emotional blackmail is often what an abuser uses to control someone, but I wouldn't view that as good communication or NLP. Advertising is one use of it that can be viewed as positive or negative or neutral. I would say neutral. We have all seen something on a tv commercial that we wanted, but don't we really just influence ourselves? I mean if I see a commercial for frosted flakes cereal and go buy it, is it any different than walking down the aisle at the store and seeing it?IP: Logged |
RedScorp Knowflake Posts: 4934 From: The Sun Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 20, 2012 01:42 AM
"a stated connection between the neurological processes, language, and behavioral patterns that have 1. been learned through experience and 2. can be organized to achieve specific goals in life"Hmmmm... IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 5267 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 20, 2012 03:49 AM
I have experience with a sociopath. He didn't care about anyone but himself. My mother had the most experience with him, though.Paul Mckenna uses NLP to help people. you can find him on youtube and his books in the library. IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 9528 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 20, 2012 03:26 PM
Thanks for the responses.PixieJane, great post. I'm not going to click on the YT link as I also cant stand when it's they use it as a way to get you to go to their site either. I'll post relevant links as i come across them. Don't have a lot of time today to talk more. quote: I had a person try persuade me to do many strange things, NLP or whatever was going on there, I was straight up defensive. I can not be hypnotized or NLP'd (husband and I joke about that all the time and laugh at dumb tv advertisements when we catch them ... Same goes with the charmers, psychos and salesmen)
Same here to all of that. Thanks teasel. & sorry to hear that.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 27601 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 20, 2012 04:57 PM
Anthony Robbins teaches how to use it to make positive self changes.------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 7359 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 08, 2013 03:14 PM
I'm against NLP, too. It's a manipulation technique plain and simple. It's ok to make a scene in a movie more powerful (like the scene between Peter Parker and MJ when in his aunt's hospital room), but I think people should generally be aware of it, so that they can remember to use their own mind when making decisions. I said... uh... Spider-Man, I said uh... The great thing about MJ is... when you look in her eyes and she's looking back in yours... everything... feels... not quite normal. Because you feel stronger and weaker at the same time. You feel excited and at the same time, terrified. The truth is... you don't know what you feel except you know what kind of man you want to be. It's as if you've reached the unreachable and you weren't ready for it." http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0188706/quotes
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Lexxigramer Moderator Posts: 2360 From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Feb 2012
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posted May 08, 2013 04:14 AM
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Padre35 Moderator Posts: 1754 From: Asheville, NC, US Registered: Jul 2012
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posted May 08, 2013 06:56 AM
Basic level, if one imagines something, it can cause physical reactions in the body.There are also things known as mirror neurons, basically when one sees someone else doing something, your mind reacts as if "you" were actually doing it. So if "you" pick up a cellphone, "my" mind reacts as if "I" had picked up a cellphone, you know what it is like to dial it, put it to your ear, wait a moment before speaking etc. It's one of the reasons why most learn a physical skill via watching. For example, why do horror movies effect anyone? It's an image on the screen, the blood and gore etc is quite fake..and yet people cringe and jump etc. Another odd thing about the human animal, we are one of the few species that bare our teeth when we first meet someone or to show happiness or pleasure etc. For most of the animal world the baring of teeth is a warning sign. IP: Logged | |