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Topic: Dejanira - a different spin
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Taineberry
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posted November 20, 2011 11:56 AM
  
Been reading a bit about Dejanira and was thinkingMAYBE Dejanira is not simply a passive place in your chart – a sitting duck for others to victimise as the Sophocles version of the myth suggests. There is another side to her – she was, according to Appolodorus, a warrior- princess who “drove a chariot and practiced the art of war”. She was also such a striking beauty that Hercules and Achelous fought over her to marry her, and of course, she was also the object of the desire of Nessus who not only wanted her but was also able to see something that she could not – that her husband was a complete and utter jerk to her, putting his own “appetites” first without any consideration of what suffering this might cause her. I think that it was Heracles that was the real abuser to her, not Nessus, although she was too good a person to do anything about it but suffer her husbands repeated infidelities with grace and stoicism. Nessus was the wild card that entered her life and who may have seemed scary at the time but who actually did her a favour by giving her the magic potion that killed Heracles. She was not a murderer, her intentions were good, but it was nevertheless a kind of poetic justice that she became the blameless instrument of moral justice served on Heracles that he thoroughly deserved. As such, Dejanira can represent the place in your chart where you may be the target of someone else’s shoddy treatment, but at the same time you unwittingly possess a gift or the means from an unlikely source that will magically turn the tables on them in the end without you having to act with malice or ill-intent. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted November 20, 2011 06:15 PM
I get what you're saying but she poisoned Heracles because of her own insecurities. Nessus gave her the stuff and said if she ever suspected he was cheating it would keep him faithful.......it depends on your perspective but to me - she tried to interfere with the free will of another to further her own interests. She might have loved hercules in her own way but she was obviously not the woman for him. Instead of letting him go she fed her jealousy and placed her trust in another abuser (nessus). But I do agree with what you're saying. IP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted November 21, 2011 01:08 AM
I think what you are saying is also true. It is hard for the modern women to accept who Dejanira was because in most instances we have a choice to walk away, which maybe in her circumstances was not so easy. I agree she would have saved herself a lot of trouble if she either just accepted Hercules for what he was or let him go. Perhaps she also represents the lesson "if you can't change the world, change yourself", i.e. your capacity (or not) to let go of that which you desparately want but cannot have BEFORE you make the kind of errors of judgment that unwittingly lead to the destruction of your object of desire? Or to learn to live with the consequences of not letting go with acceptance, not resentment?IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted November 21, 2011 05:59 AM
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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Been reading a bit about Dejanira and was thinkingMAYBE Dejanira is not simply a passive place in your chart – a sitting duck for others to victimise as the Sophocles version of the myth suggests. There is another side to her – she was, according to Appolodorus, a warrior- princess who “drove a chariot and practiced the art of war”. She was also such a striking beauty that Hercules and Achelous fought over her to marry her, and of course, she was also the object of the desire of Nessus who not only wanted her but was also able to see something that she could not – that her husband was a complete and utter jerk to her, putting his own “appetites” first without any consideration of what suffering this might cause her. I think that it was Heracles that was the real abuser to her, not Nessus, although she was too good a person to do anything about it but suffer her husbands repeated infidelities with grace and stoicism. Nessus was the wild card that entered her life and who may have seemed scary at the time but who actually did her a favour by giving her the magic potion that killed Heracles. She was not a murderer, her intentions were good, but it was nevertheless a kind of poetic justice that she became the blameless instrument of moral justice served on Heracles that he thoroughly deserved. As such, Dejanira can represent the place in your chart where you may be the target of someone else’s shoddy treatment, but at the same time you unwittingly possess a gift or the means from an unlikely source that will magically turn the tables on them in the end without you having to act with malice or ill-intent.
Yeah, honestly I have a hard time believing anything is all bad, period. IP: Logged |
Capriquarius
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posted November 22, 2011 02:37 AM
Screw with Dejanira and die.  IP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted November 22, 2011 04:47 AM
Hehe! Something like that!!!!! IP: Logged |
Capriquarius
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posted November 22, 2011 05:16 AM
There are no clear winners in Dejanira transits/situations, are there. Even though the "abusers" met destruction, I don't get a sense that Dejanira was thrilled about that. She just wanted love so badly that she acted in a way that seems contrary to common sense. She was a naive girl, warrior princess or no.IP: Logged |
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