Lindaland
  Astrology For Beginners
  Next step

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq

UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Next step
dragonflies
Knowflake

Posts: 31
From:
Registered: Mar 2020

posted April 27, 2020 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know the general basics. I can speak to a venus-uranus opposition, for example, but how would I interpret an additional neptune in conjunction to uranus?

I can understand the basics (I have an idea of the aspects, or a planet in a sign), but I can't form the whole picture, the relations that change with the different signs and rulerships and such. And I can't find good info on the net. Especially on the rulerships. Am I using the wrong terminology? I'm so effing curious about them! Where can I begin?

IP: Logged

Graham
Knowflake

Posts: 1223
From:
Registered: Apr 2019

posted April 27, 2020 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This will come from perseverance ... The more charts you do, the sooner comes the breakthrough. ... In the meantime though, know that every serious practitioner of astrologer has been where you now are ... And it is very frustrating.

IP: Logged

Graham
Knowflake

Posts: 1223
From:
Registered: Apr 2019

posted April 27, 2020 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you do not already have them ... "How to Write an Astrological Synthesis", by Terry Dwyer ... and "Rulers of the Horoscope", by Alan Oken provide sound explanations of the mechanics involved ... But, understanding comes only through practicing the mechanics until one eventually applies them habitually rather than consciously.

IP: Logged

Graham
Knowflake

Posts: 1223
From:
Registered: Apr 2019

posted April 27, 2020 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have learned to speak to a Venus-Uranus and Venus-Neptune opposition ... So the next step is to learn how to speak to a Venus-"UraNep" opposition.

But, what would you expect the qualities of planet UraNep to be? And how will that change if Uranus is stronger (by sign, house and aspects) than Neptune - or if Neptune is stronger than Uranus?

Terry Dwyer and Alan Oken know and understand the text book answer to that, and anyone who reads their books will also know the answer ... But that is not the same as understanding WHY it is the answer.

IP: Logged

dragonflies
Knowflake

Posts: 31
From:
Registered: Mar 2020

posted May 03, 2020 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Graham:
This will come from perseverance ... The more charts you do, the sooner comes the breakthrough. ... In the meantime though, know that every serious practitioner of astrologer has been where you now are ... And it is very frustrating.

I don't have the intention to practice astrology, but I would like to be able to paint a broader picture and not get stuck with singled out aspects.

IP: Logged

dragonflies
Knowflake

Posts: 31
From:
Registered: Mar 2020

posted May 03, 2020 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Graham:
You have learned to speak to a Venus-Uranus and Venus-Neptune opposition ... So the next step is to learn how to speak to a Venus-"UraNep" opposition.

But, what would you expect the qualities of planet UraNep to be? And how will that change if Uranus is stronger (by sign, house and aspects) than Neptune - or if Neptune is stronger than Uranus?


That makes sense. I'd never heard that before. Thank you for the good tipp. It's the nudge forward that I need.

That was exactly my question. How would I know which planet will express itself more fully? Again, just my basic understanding that if Uranus were to be the chart ruler, eg, and IDK no pisces, no 12th house placements could indicate that Uranus is more prominent. I suppose I'll have to look into the houses more, too. How did you choose the house system?

Thank you for the recommendations! I'll check them out! Do you have a favourite blog or site or video channel? It's not so easy to get these books, I assume.

IP: Logged

Graham
Knowflake

Posts: 1223
From:
Registered: Apr 2019

posted May 04, 2020 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dragonflies:
I don't have the intention to practice astrology, but I would like to be able to paint a broader picture and not get stuck with singled out aspects.

Anyone whose interest in astrology extends beyond Sun signs is a serious practitioner, and is likely to be of above average sensitivity.

However, your "next step" will come only through hands-on experience ...... acquired by analysing, interpreting and attempting to synthesise the astrological indicators in the charts of anyone who will allow you to do so.


IP: Logged

Graham
Knowflake

Posts: 1223
From:
Registered: Apr 2019

posted May 04, 2020 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dragonflies:
That makes sense. I'd never heard that before. Thank you for the good tipp. It's the nudge forward that I need.

That was exactly my question. How would I know which planet will express itself more fully? Again, just my basic understanding that if Uranus were to be the chart ruler, eg, and IDK no pisces, no 12th house placements could indicate that Uranus is more prominent. I suppose I'll have to look into the houses more, too. How did you choose the house system?

Thank you for the recommendations! I'll check them out! Do you have a favourite blog or site or video channel? It's not so easy to get these books, I assume.


I started with the Equal House system, but found later that Placidus Houses produce more accurate interpretations for me. ... However, when practicing the Huber system of (psychological) astrology, I use Koch Houses - because the Hubers found (from both research and experience) that it provides more accurate interpretations of behavioural patterns in chart owners.

Alan Oken's book is readily available (but expensive) ... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rulers-Horoscope-Finding-Through-Labyrinth/dp/0892541350

Terry Dwyer's is cheaper (and more difficult to obtain) ... http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Write-Astrological-Synthesis-students/dp/085243376X

However ... the problem is that the meaning of UraNep, and all other two-or-more-planet-blends, is unique for every chart ... which is why astrology practitioners have to learn by "doing charts", rather than reading books.

So ... consider posting a suitable chart on the personal reading board - and inviting members there to "walk you through the process", for that specific chart.


IP: Logged

dragonflies
Knowflake

Posts: 31
From:
Registered: Mar 2020

posted May 04, 2020 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Graham:
However, your "next step" will come only through hands-on experience ...... acquired by analysing, interpreting and [b]attempting to synthesise the astrological indicators in the charts of anyone who will allow you to do so. [/B]

Practice with charts of people I know really well would be best then? I don't know the TOB for anybody that I know. I'd like to study actors' charts. But again, no TOB. But I could play around with them a little bit, I'm always interested in figuring out somebody's ASC (and moon) anyway.

Did you start with your own chart?

IP: Logged

dragonflies
Knowflake

Posts: 31
From:
Registered: Mar 2020

posted May 04, 2020 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Graham:
I started with the Equal House system, but found later that Placidus Houses produce more accurate interpretations for me. ... However, when practicing the Huber system of (psychological) astrology, I use Koch Houses - because the Hubers found (from both research and experience) that it provides more accurate interpretations of behavioural patterns in chart owners.

Psychological astrology sounds very much like what I am looking forward to ultimately. I need to know the whys of the world and of people. It's interesting to know that somebody has Uranus/Venus aspecting but I'm excited to learn why that person was born with that aspect, how it developed and how it cirlces back to her/his family.

For example, is there any empirical data that confirms that the lack of one element in a natal chart of the child is what makes up most of their parents'? Just a thought I had this morning.

I checked out the Hubers a little bit online. I found an article on astrology and music, where he analyses Vivaldi. And I was listening to the Four Seasons in that moment. That was creepy. Because it was the second moment like this today, where one thing popped up in two randomly different and unrelated places screaming HELLO at me.

Did you work with Regiomontanus as well at some point? I was using the Placidus system and somebody pointed me to a different house system, because in one aspect placidus didn't add up to my reality. Then I was confused for a while, how different house systems can even make sense and come to the same conclusion. For now, I've decided to go with my gut instinct and I'll interpret that aspect in the other house, keep most aspects as they were (not much changed or I know Placidus is more accurate there) and let one or two things undecided.

Thank you for the links!

IP: Logged

Graham
Knowflake

Posts: 1223
From:
Registered: Apr 2019

posted May 04, 2020 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dragonflies:
Practice with charts of people I know really well would be best then? I don't know the TOB for anybody that I know. I'd like to study actors' charts. But again, no TOB. But I could play around with them a little bit, I'm always interested in figuring out somebody's ASC (and moon) anyway.

Did you start with your own chart?



I started with my own chart ... And have used every chart analysis since then to learn something new about myself/my chart.

Self-understanding is my sole motivation for studying and practicing astrology.

Have you visited http://astrologicalpsychology.org ?

IP: Logged

Randall
Webmaster

Posts: 128358
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009

posted June 12, 2020 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

IP: Logged

Randall
Webmaster

Posts: 128358
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009

posted June 29, 2020 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

IP: Logged

All times are Eastern Standard Time

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Linda-Goodman.com

Copyright 2020

Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com © 2000
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a