posted February 21, 2020 07:12 PM            

Would you please let me know if you think this is a good Synastry. Should I be concerned about the Sun/Neptune and Saturn/Venus squares?

I am also including our Composite. Not sure if it shows a different/more favorable dynamic.

Both our TOBs are correct. I am in blue, he is in red.

Thanks a million!!

Synastry:

Composite:

posted February 22, 2020 03:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi CuriousV! The Composite looks quite fated to me, North Node is conjunct Vertex/Jupiter/DSC, square to MC/Juno/Moon... apparently there's a strong sense of committment and the initial feeling that they have found "the one" and a lot of good expectations... But North Node square MC is usually not favourable for long terms... Mars/Venus midpoint is square to Chiron, so this is potentially painful, especially with Saturn/Neptune square in the picture. Since Chiron is in 3rd house and Mercury is square Pluto, I assume communication can be an issue. In synastry, the ASC/DSC axis conujnction is very nice, so again there's a strong feeling of destiny and committment, but also many aspects of disharmony and control issue, such as Pluto square Moon/Juno, Mercury/Saturn square Mercury...
Composite Venus square Uranus and Chiron is unpredictable in this picture, I imagine a passionate but turbolent relationship as both might end up hurting each other. And Composite Saturn square Neptune is usually a stressful aspect too. Together with Jupiter square Moon, it is possible that there will be false hopes and that the Uranus/Venus/Chiron t-square brings sudden break-up/heartbreak.

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posted February 23, 2020 03:56 AM            

I'm curious about Chiron's pain as Chiron harsh aspects (especially to Uranus/Saturn) seemed to be very very common in the Composites of couples and family members. And I'm not surprised since the people we care most are usually the ones who are capable of hurting us most. I hesitate to consider that we could all be doing this to each other intentionally or that we are all abusive beings.

I guess what I wanna know is... what's the significance of the Chiron-type of pain? And how do we know when we should run (signs that one party is psychologically damaged and abusive) vs our natural predisposition to feeling hurt by our loved ones because we care so much about them and tend to magnify their behaviour?

posted February 23, 2020 02:47 PM            

One of those relationships where it will last for awhile, a couple years, maybe more, but will more than likely inevitably end. Depends if you’re ok with that or not, up to you. Most of us have at least one of these relationships in our lives, just because you know you won’t last forever, doesn’t make it a waste or that it won’t be a good/meaningful experience
This is 90 percent of all charts I see and study lol, rarely will anyone ever hear me say this is “the one” or its a true soulmate/true love forever connection. It’s very rare. Which is why most people break up, divorce etc. It’s all there in the charts if you know what to look for.
Sorry it’s not all positive, but most of my readings aren’t, just like most relationships aren’t lol.

posted February 23, 2020 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Hi Stoika7,

I'm curious about Chiron's pain as Chiron harsh aspects (especially to Uranus/Saturn) seemed to be very very common in the Composites of couples and family members. And I'm not surprised since the people we care most are usually the ones who are capable of hurting us most. I hesitate to consider that we could all be doing this to each other intentionally or that we are all abusive beings.

I guess what I wanna know is... what's the significance of the Chiron-type of pain? And how do we know when we should run (signs that one party is psychologically damaged and abusive) vs our natural predisposition to feeling hurt by our loved ones because we care so much about them and tend to magnify their behaviour?

I just hope to have a different understanding of Chiron... thanks, Stoika!

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posted February 23, 2020 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Basically, this is a good relationship in terms of mutual feelings, attraction, chemistry all that good stuff. But you’re lacking in compatibility and longevity. The composite shows this clearly;
Sun square Pluto, Venus square Uranus. Venus/mars in 6th house, Venus square chiron and not enough positive, stabilizing or mitigating factors. It’s a rather weak composite. Synastry is about a 7/10 though. And synastry is always more important, it’s what draws people together in the first place, but composite for the long run. So I give you a green light for the short term, red light for long term if that makes sense. When I study charts I take everything into account, so I think of the big picture too.

One of those relationships where it will last for awhile, a couple years, maybe more, but will more than likely inevitably end. Depends if you’re ok with that or not, up to you. Most of us have at least one of these relationships in our lives, just because you know you won’t last forever, doesn’t make it a waste or that it won’t be a good/meaningful experience
This is 90 percent of all charts I see and study lol, rarely will anyone ever hear me say this is “the one” or its a true soulmate/true love forever connection. It’s very rare. Which is why most people break up, divorce etc. It’s all there in the charts if you know what to look for.
Sorry it’s not all positive, but most of my readings aren’t, just like most relationships aren’t lol.

So I’d say up to you, if you like him enjoy whatever time you have with him and go for it but if the dynamic starts to turn too stressful, controlling, manipulative or power struggle-y; break it off. There’s a big potential for a toxic relationship down the road with the sun square Pluto. So keep that in mind

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posted February 23, 2020 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
Hi! I’m curious what would be the top 3 aspects that indicate soulmate or true love in synastry and composite? That might be hard to answer because I’m sure there’s a lot of many different things that need to click but if you had to pick? I’m interested in your take because I know you have studied many charts and see these things clearly.

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Hey Marie!

Tough question, because a lot of it is intuition based and it’s like i have to see the charts first and then my intuition takes over and I start seeing patterns etc. in the moment and put it all together in real time. I’m extremely intuitive and my mind works in a funny way lol, and so it’s hard to explain things for me because in order to know why or how I know something; you’d have to first understand something else before that too. Like building blocks or thread of info that connect into others, a greater web of knowledge. & To try dissect a single thread from the greater whole is hard. Hope that makes sense. But I’ll try my best to give brief pointers here.

Btw I’m starting a blog/website where I can write and explain everything concisely and the way I want (as opposed to here where I always just do it super fast and half assed on my phone 😂 if you want to learn more I’ll post it here when I have few more posts up though for anyone interested.

But basically you need both attraction and compatibility. This is what’s rare and makes things tough. Mainly because of how people’s individual charts are set up. If the types of people you’re attracted to are very different from you, it’s going to be tough to have both. It’s easier when you’re someone who has personal planets in your love/relationships houses and lots of planets in your natal trine/or in the same element to each other, so when someone else comes along, it all flows together nicely.
And you look at different factors to determine attractions/feelings from compatibility(similarity).
Look at synastry first. That will tell you if the two people are even going to be interested in the first place without wasting your time looking at the composite.
Composite shows long term potential and what the quality of the relationship is actually going to be like. What’s the themes of the dynamics. Issues etc.
Super important to understand the difference between synastry and composite as well. They are very different and don’t mistake or mix the two.
Synastry shows feelings, how the two people affect each other. Composite shows the relationship itself, NOT how two people feel about each other. Period.
It’s just showing the themes, what kind of relationship do you have? To explain, you can have two people who are madly in love (shown in synastry), yet in the relationship they argue/bicker a lot and tend to be on and off. (Sun/mercury square mars, sun conjunct Uranus for an example). The composite is showing what’s happening in their relationship, NOT how they feel about each other. The only way a composite could reflect feelings is as a side effect, an afterthought of what’s happening. Like, if you’re arguing a lot, that could erode the great feelings being generated by the synastry after awhile. But (and this is what makes a good astrologer, you have to look at everything and put it all together: synthesis), you have to see each persons natal and how the composite relates to this.
For example, if one person has mars in their 7th house, and the other person has venus in the 7th, the person with Venus in the 7th is going to take these arguments a lot harder and it’s going to affect them more negatively. Whereas the mars in the 7th person is comfortable with conflict in their relationships and almost enjoys/thrives in it and it doesn’t seem that strange or bad to them. So we can deduce that the Venus in 7th person is probably the one calling it off before the mars person. This is why comparing composite to natal is telling. (Why people say look at composite to natal and vice versa to see how the relationship affects them, you can look at what house the sun falls in etc. and do it the way everyone else talks about, but my way like I explained is way more accurate and effective and going to give you a lot more real practical insight).
Composite needs to have as many conjunctions as possible (especially to the sun) and at LEAST one conjunction between the personal planets (but the more the better; sun conjunct mercury, moon conjunct mars, Venus conjunct mercury etc.) and this is self explanatory. At least should be 🙃. Composite is a midpoint chart, a merging of each individual natal energies if you will. It’s the two peoples coming together and what happens and if they even can/will. And what are conjunctions: a merging of energies. So in a midpoint chart, if two people are going to merge into a cohesive whole, you would see conjunctions. The more compatible and symbiotic the two people are, the more conjunctions you’ll see in a composite chart. The strongest relationship always have stelliums.
You don’t want planets in the mutable houses (especially the 12th and 6th, and don’t listen to what anyone else tries to say because they’re in denial or don’t wanna accept their relationship isn’t good lol the proof is in the pudding, I’ve never seen a HEALTHY long term (more than 10 years) with strong 12th or 6th planets. One person is always co-dependent and the relationship is very unbalanced (one giving or tolerating way more than they should if there self esteem was where it needs to be), drugs, enabling, affairs, unrequited love, care taking etc.
Hard aspects (remember conjunctions are HARD) from Saturn, Pluto, Uranus to personal planets isn’t good.
Neptune, Mars depending on the planets is ok. Jupiter is always good! Even squares/opp aren’t deal breakers, minor things you can work through. Not good per say, not defiantly nothing to fret about.
You want as many aspects as possible in the composite (positive) to show a really INTEGRATED relationship. Where things aren’t missing (lack of aspects to planets), you want all the planets talking to each other (aspect) and working together to make a cohesive, whole, dynamic relationship that’s fulfilling.

Some of the best composite aspects;
Sun conjunct moon, sun/moon/mercury/mars/Jupiter conjunct Venus (any combo), Chiron trining these planets. Lots of trines/Sextiles from the outer planets.
Planets in the 4th, 5th, 7th, 11th houses. Positive aspects to the ASC/DSC axis, planets conjunct ASC, IC, DSC especially sun, moon, Venus.
Some sort of closed pattern completion (grand trine/kite, t-square, grand-cross, yod, house etc.)
The love asteroid amor conjunct the sun/Venus is really great too.
Saturn trine NN or Juno is great for commitment/longevity, so is juno conjunct Jupiter!
But don’t worry about asteroids or midpoints before looking at the basics and foundation. I noticed a couple people focus too much on that and completely miss the more important points which is looking at planets and their aspects and house placement first, therefore their interpretation is incomplete & missing really key points and is wrong because the things they ignored would have changed the interpretation completely. IDC how great the midpoints are or asteroids within the composite if the actual 10 planets aspects or placements are trash lol. It’s never going to beat out the big guys, they have final say of what’s happening. And usually those midpoints or asteroids are just reflecting and showing what’s already there in the planets etc. so no need to focus on all that and distract you from the big picture. Besides, astrology is amazing in that it all connects, like if a synastry is lacking in compatibility it’s going to show up again in the composite. You’ll never have disparate or conflicting themes. They will always reinforce each other. So the asteroid and midpoints within the composite are going to always reflect what the planets say anyways. I’ve never seen this not be the case, so that’s why I don’t bother to focus on them until studying the basics (the planets) and I have a solid idea/outline of the relationship. Asteroids will give you a bit more info or just reinforce things which can be helpful if you were unsure.

Hope this helps a bit , and again, I’ll go way more in depth in my blog If you want more info.
I have TONS of tips and tricks and knowledge to share

posted February 24, 2020 06:46 AM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
Hi Luna, thank you for explaining all of that! It’s a lot of info to take in. It’s good to know your thoughts about how synastry and composite work. Also good to know conjunctions in composite are better for relationships. That seems like an easy way to check for compatibility. I have a hugeee Leo stellium so I think my chart is hard to find compatibility with another. Because there is not much variety to interact with another’s chart. Id love to read your blog whenever you’re ready to share!

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Great, I'm always happy to help (my Virgo moon 😊 lol
And actuallly, your Leo stellium is helpful in a lot of ways for compatibility sake, if you found someone else with leo or fire signs, but it's because your asc is also Leo that is causing you issues. Because who you're attracted to (Aquarius) your DSC is totally opposite to who you are (all your leo), so if you go for strong Aquarians types, you'll get the attraction but lack the compatibility so it doesn't last.
You would do well to find someone with a fire moon/Venus, preferably one in leo doesn't really matter which. Since your 5th house is saggy I'm pretty sure, this works! Find someone with a saggy sun/moon/Venus is a good option too.
But you need someone who has at least their sun, moon, Venus or asc in leo or a 5th house stellium to be compatible, when you have such a dominance of one signs energy like yours it's crucial you have someone else who shares that energy somewhat so they understand.

posted February 24, 2020 10:31 AM            

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Hey Marie!

Tough question, because a lot of it is intuition based...

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posted February 24, 2020 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoInScorpio:
wow, loved this insight! Thanks, Luna.

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posted February 25, 2020 09:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi darling, the Uranus/Chiron opposition is very common cause it is often generational/intergenerational so I dont usually look at this too much unless there are other "painful" aspects, such as Uranus or Chiron opposite/square Moon which might suggest coldness or heartbreak... Saturn is tougher to Chiron though, suggesting an underlying stressful psychological dynamic and struggle...
Your question is not easy to answer since it depends on many factors, the sign and the house of Chiron and the overall picture... in the case of CuriousV there's Venus/Uranus square involved, so this suggest a core stressful instabilty of the rs or sudden negative outcomes with the t-square including Chiron.

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I also see quite a number of Saturn-Chiron hard aspects in close relationships though, but if we regard this karmically, it makes sense.

posted February 25, 2020 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
I’m starting a blog/website where I can write and explain everything concisely and the way I want

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posted February 26, 2020 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I also see quite a number of Saturn-Chiron hard aspects in close relationships though, but if we regard this karmically, it makes sense.

How about Chiron-Jupiter hard aspects? I'm staring at the Composite with my 1st boyfriend who hurt me the most. We have Chiron-Uranus-Jupiter forming a t-square. Since Chiron-Uranus is generational, the problem is shown by the square with Jupiter?

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posted February 29, 2020 10:04 AM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Hey Marie!

Tough question, because a lot of it is intuition based and it’s like i have to see the charts first and then my intuition takes over and I start seeing patterns etc. in the moment and put it all together in real time. I’m extremely intuitive and my mind works in a funny way lol, and so it’s hard to explain things for me because in order to know why or how I know something; you’d have to first understand something else before that too. Like building blocks or thread of info that connect into others, a greater web of knowledge. & To try dissect a single thread from the greater whole is hard. Hope that makes sense. But I’ll try my best to give brief pointers here.

Btw I’m starting a blog/website where I can write and explain everything concisely and the way I want (as opposed to here where I always just do it super fast and half assed on my phone 😂 if you want to learn more I’ll post it here when I have few more posts up though for anyone interested.

But basically . . . .

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You should also compare moon, ascendant and sun nakshatras in that order: http://www.prokerala.com/astrology/porutham/

posted March 02, 2020 01:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Jupiter square to Chiron suggests me a "lesson" through a painful experience, in a t-square with Uranus I would think that there was not real closeness/feelings from one side, coldness and maybe abandonment issues where one is left feeling completeley lonely with hopelessness.

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posted March 02, 2020 09:14 PM            

the composite has some very favorable and intense aspects point to long-term relationship, even marriage potentially.
Jupiter conjunct to the vertex and the north nodes is as stoika mentioned ,very karmic.
the node and vertex gives a very strong psychic connection between you and your thoughts are often in synch. you can answer each other's questions before the question is asked. with the vertex, you both have have very similar other worldly experiences or feelings,. different but very similar in the way these occurrences' have affected you mind and emptions. often theseexperience can be so unreal, that one can not expain these to others... but you and he totally hookup mentally when you talk abuot your "paranormal " experiences and feelings.
then with Jupiter conjunct these tow, and the ascendant , once again your minds are like twins. you are interested in the same things and you are both extremely intelligent. you both are probably enchanted because it is not often either of you met someone you you can talk about with such depth and breath of ideas and subjects .

Jupiter adds the feelings of long term hookup/marriage and with juno conjunct the moon these feelings are shared by both of you.

there are some questionable aspects though and the vertex energy can be very difficult to anticipate.

venus is square to Uranus so the emotional attraction is very intense. the physical chemistry is electric but the Uranus square usually shows a affair rather than a long term relationship, so the "marriage" vibrations might be misleading if you take them for too much.

the moon/sun midpoint is conjunct to true lilth which gives an inherent harmony between you. you seem to mesh silly.

as Stoika mentioned, the Saturn square to Neptune is quite problematic especially for a long distance or internet relationship.

usually this shows he is not being totally forth coming about a important aspect of his life.the Saturn/Neptune midpoint is square mars which emphasizes that all is not as he is projecting.

and there are a couple of potential dark aspects here also. the nessus/orcus midpoint is conjunct to his mercury /sun conjunction which shows he is very quareded aabout this real feelings. this can give a maliciousness to the personality. the eros/psyche midpoint is conjunct to orcus which adds to this possibility as this pattern can be very exploitive emotionally.

pluto is opposed to eris and square to nessus which, again gives a darker emtional cast to his affections. this is quite sexual but also very selfish and controlling

venus is sextile to pluto and ceres and trine to Neptune gives a very deep, sensitive, nurturing and supportive ambience to your interactions but this is not enough to offset the rather stunted emotional expression that might be interested here.

the venus/ixion midpoint is conjunct to the sun/moon/Lilith conjunction so you might have had slight foreboding feelings about this darker side of him.