posted November 02, 2022 03:18 PM            

It looks like we have a lot of intense indicators for relationships: Sun conjunct Moon, lots of Venus/Mars interactions, lots of Moon-planet interactions, and we also have a lot of Chiron interactions.

I would love it if y'all could look at our charts and aspects and let me know what you think about the long-term viability of the relationship? We have been dreaming about marrying each other from the moment we met, but we're breaking up now and feel like we need to let go of those dreams at least for the time being. It's very confusing!

Just feels like we have a lot of "unfinished business" so to speak, like at some point we're going to re-enter the relationship because we haven't reached the conclusion of our story yet. But that might just be wishful thinking!

Anyway, here are the aspects I think are important to note. I'll start with the Synastry chart and then move on to the Composite.

Synastry:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?showgif&lang=e&gif=astro_61gw_eden_abby.69357.194859.png&res=100

- My Sun conjunct her Moon. My Sun is in Pisces and her Moon is (barely) in Aries. The conjunction is on the cusp of my 10th/11th houses and in her 2nd.
- My Sun square her North Node, square her Chiron, trine her Part of Fortune, and trine her Midheaven.
- Her Sun (Libra 8th house) opposite my Venus (Aries 11th house), square my Jupiter (Cancer 1st house), trine my Saturn (Gemini 12th house), trine my Neptune, square my Chiron, square my Part of Fortune, and trine my Ascendant.
- Her Moon (Aries [almost Pisces] 2nd house) square my Jupiter (Cancer 1st house), and conjunct my Lilith.
- My Moon (Aries 11th house) opposite her Mercury (Libra [almost Scorpio] 8th house), sextile her Uranus (Aquarius 1st house), trine her Chiron (Sagittarius 11th house), and square her Part of Fortune (Cancer [almost Leo] 6th house)
- My Mercury (Pisces 10th house) opposite her Venus (Virgo 7th house), square her Pluto (Sagittarius 10th house), conjunct her Lilith (Pisces 1st house), and opposite her Vertex (Virgo 7th house)
- Her Mercury (Libra [almost Scorpio] 8th house) opposite my Moon (Aries 11th), trine my Uranus (Aquarius conjunct Midheaven 9th/10th), and trine my Midheaven.
- Her Venus (Virgo 7th) trine my Mars (Taurus 12th), square my Saturn (Gemini 12th), square my Pluto (Sagittarius conjunct Desc. in 7th), trine my Chiron (Capricorn 8th), sextile my Part of Fortune (Cancer 2nd), and square my Ascendant (Gemini).
- My Venus (Aries 11th) opposite her Sun (Libra 8th), square her Mars (Capricorn 12th), square her Jupiter (Cancer 6th), sextile her Saturn (Gemini 4th), trine her Pluto (Sagittarius 10th), and sextile her Ascendant (Aquarius).
- My Mars (Taurus 12th) trine her Venus (Virgo 7th), trine her Mars (Capricorn 12th), sextile her Jupiter (Cancer 6th), square her Neptune (Aquarius conjunct Asc. in 12th), trine her Vertex (Virgo 7th), and square her Ascendant (Aquarius).
- Her Mars (Capricorn 12th) square my Venus, trine my Mars, conjunct my Chiron (Capricorn 8th), and opposite my Part of Fortune (Cancer 2nd).
- My Jupiter (Cancer 1st) square her Sun (Libra 8th), square her Moon (Aries [almost Pisces] 2nd), conjunct her North Node (Cancer 5th), trine her Lilith (Pisces 1st), and sextile her Vertex (Virgo 7th).
- Her Jupiter (Cancer 6th) square my Venus (Aries 11th), sextile my Mars (Taurus 12th), opposite my Chiron (Capricorn 8th), and conjunct my Part of Fortune (Cancer 2nd).

I won't go through everything else individually by planet but I will list out all of the aspects for our Chirons, North Nodes, and Vertexes.

- My Chiron (Capricorn 8th) is square her Sun (Libra 8th), trine her Venus (Virgo 7th), conjunct her Mars (Capricorn 12th), opposite her Jupiter (Cancer 6th), sextile her Lilith (Pisces 1st), and trine her Vertex (Virgo 7th).
- Her Chiron (Sagittarius 11th) is square my sun (Pisces 10th), trine my Moon (Aries 11th), sextile my Uranus (Aquarius conjunct Midheaven 9th/10th), opposite my North Node (Gemini 1st), square my Lilith (Pisces 10th), and sextile my Midheaven (Aquarius).

- My North Node (Gemini 1st) is trine her Uranus (Aquarius 1st), and opposite her Chiron (Sagittarius 11th).
- Her North Node (Cancer 5th) is square my Sun (Pisces 10th), conjunct my Jupiter (Cancer 1st), trine my Uranus (Aquarius conjunct Midheaven 9th/10th), and trine my Vertex (Scorpio 6th [close to 5th]).

- My Vertex (Scorpio 6th [close to 5th]) is square her Neptune (Aquarius conjunct Ascendant in 12th), trine her North Node (Cancer 5th), trine her Lilith (Pisces 1st), sextile her Vertex (Virgo 7th), and square her Ascendant (Aquarius).
- Her Vertex (Virgo 7th) is opposite my Mercury (Pisces 10th), trine my Mars (Taurus 12th), sextile my Jupiter (Cancer 1st), square my Saturn (Gemini 12th), trine my Chiron (Capricorn 8th), and sextile my Vertex (Scorpio 6th [almost 5th]).

That's a lot!! But I think all of it is important.

Now, moving onto our composite chart. In our composite chart we have some very significant patterns.
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?showgif&lang=e&gif=astro_621gw_eden_abby.69415.219759.png&res=100

GRAND TRINES:
1. Our Ascendant & Moon (which are conjunct in Aries), with Pluto (Sagittarius 8th), and Juno (Leo 5th).
2. Saturn & Vesta (conjunct Gemini in 2nd house), with Neptune & Ceres (conjunct Aquarius in border between 10th/11th), and our Descendant (Libra).

STAR OF DAVID:
(Combination of the above mentioned Grand Trines. Includes Ascendant, Moon, Vesta, Saturn, Juno, Descendant, Pluto, Neptune, and Ceres). It is an Air and Fire signs combination.

GRAND CROSSES:
1. Ascendant & Moon (Conjunct Aries), with Jupiter & Nadir/IC (Conjunct Cancer), with Descendant (Libra), with Pallas & Midheaven (Conjunct Capricorn).
2. Ascendant (Aries), with Jupiter (Cancer 3rd [almost 4th]), with Descendant (Libra), with Mercury (Capricorn 9th).

T-SQUARE:
1. Saturn (Gemini 2nd), with Lilith & Mars (Conjunct Pisces 12th house), and Pluto (Sagittarius 8th).

MYSTIC RECTANGLES:
1. Ascendant & Moon (Conjunct Aries), with Ceres & Neptune (Conjunct Aquarius on 10th/11th border), with Descendant (Libra), with Juno (Leo 5th).
2. Ascendant & Moon (Conjunct Aries), with Saturn (Gemini 2nd), with Descendant (Libra), with Pluto (Sagittarius 8th).

YODS:
1. Mars & Lilith (Conjunct Pisces 12th), with Juno (Leo 5th) and Descendant (Libra).
2. Pallas & Midheaven (Conjunct Capricorn), with Vesta & Saturn (Conjunct Gemini 2nd) and Juno (Leo 5th).
3. Juno (Leo 5th), with Mars & Lilith (Conjunct Pisces 12th) and Pallas & Midheaven (Conjunct Capricorn).

As a fun bonus, she has a Yod in her Natal chart with the apex point being Mercury (Libra [almost Scorpio] 5th house) and the two bases being her Moon (Aries [almost Pisces] 2nd house) and Nadir/IC (Betw. Taurus and Gemini, 3rd/4th). I have three planets that fall within the boundary of her two base planets for the Yod, which are my Mars (Taurus 12th), Moon (Aries 11th), and Venus (Aries 11th). But the one that falls smack in the middle, right on the trigger/boomerang point, is my Moon.

As you can see, there's a lot going on... To me it feels very karmic and past-life-ish. The way we met felt very predestined as well, for many reasons. And astrologically, on the day we first met in-person "as friends" Juno was in Libra in the 11th house, and on the day we fell in love and kissed each other for the first time Juno was in Libra in the 5th house.

We both still want to get married but we are broken up as of two days ago! We've been having such loving and sweet conversations about breaking up itself, which feels so counterintuitive at times. We both have to let go of our dreams for the future right now but they are so strong for both of us... so I would really like to know if y'all agree with us that we're probably meant to end up together eventually lol.

posted November 02, 2022 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by AnnabelLucy:
The chart link has expired, but can you tell me whether there are any aspects between her Moon/Venus and her Uranus in her natal chart?

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posted November 02, 2022 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by edenhardwicke:
She actually doesn't have any aspects between any of those planets in her chart, which is interesting.

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posted November 02, 2022 09:31 PM            

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Originally posted by AnnabelLucy:
Hmm, certainly is, so that eliminates a couple of theories I had. What sign/house are yours and her NN/SN?

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My NN is in Gemini in my 1st house/her 5th house (synastry). My SN is in Sagittarius, in my 7th/her 11th.

posted November 02, 2022 09:46 PM            

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Originally posted by edenhardwicke:
My NN is in Gemini in my 1st house/her 5th house (synastry). My SN is in Sagittarius, in my 7th/her 11th.

Her NN is in Cancer in her 6th house/my 1st. Her SN is in Capricorn in her 12th/my 7th.

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Also just to clarify her NN and SN are in the very early degrees of Cancer and Capricorn. Her NN is 1° 3'44" Cancer, and SN is 1° 3'44" Capricorn. My NN is 21°47'28" Gemini and SN is 21°47'28" Sagittarius.

posted November 03, 2022 10:21 PM            

But that's actually not what's important here. Hear me out...

SN = where you've been
NN = where you're headed

So... you are supposed to be heading in the direction of ultimate development and expression of the self/personal identity (1st House), through the traits governed by Gemini (communication, wit, intelligence, talking, socialising, writing maybe, social media, media in general, technology, transport - the specific Gemini manner will be discovered by you eventually ofc, something through which the truest you shines). Having a NN in Aries or 1st House always means that this lifetime is about you and who you uniquely are more than anything else.

You're supposed to be focussing less on the Libran themes of partnership, balance and merging, and viewing your identity as determined by being half of a pair (SN). And, moreover, being that it's a partnership described by Sagittarian themes, that means less of this looking to intellectualise or put a spiritual spin on things, searching for expansion and experience only within the bounds of being with her (or anyone else), placing your sense of optimism and hope for the future on that "happily ever after" rather than on finding your own place socially and instead discovering a true sense of self through your other connections and achievements (as your particular NN suggests a need for).

As hard as it might be to grasp (because the SN is very compelling and compulsive behaviour that we tend to fall back on), this time apart might be precisely destined to happen so you can start looking towards your individual future.

Incidentally, it is in line with her SN behaviours that she has come apart from the relationship currently. Capricorn is independent and individualistic, it is self-motivated and likes to climb the ladder of opportunities that lead to an advance in status or power. It will not be tied down to situations that do not advance it and sentimentality doesn't get in the way of it's goals. This being in her 12th means that she wants to keep some aspects of herself/her feelings/her motivations hidden from you, in fact, she might not even know them herself, only that she feels an urge to individuate and take her own lead. It also means she has a weakness for mystery, the great unknown, the overly romanticised "what ifs" of life. She'll be thinking that there might be something better for her out there and she won't know unless she goes to look.

It is Cancer (her NN) that is similar in loved-one oriented motivation and nurturing qualities to your SN Libra. Her past inspires your future, and vice versa, which can speak of fated relationships (but not necessarily ones that last forever). Breaking up might indeed be a fated experience brought about by beliefs, feelings and behaviours that she is supposed to be moving away from, but that gives YOU the chance to move towards what you are supposed to be doing. There are other clues to this in the charts. One that stands out is the Aries ASC and Moon in the composite. To me this suggests that the point of the relationship is to help you both develop your individual personalities and emotional selves, so need to work out who you each are and want to be outside of the relationship too.

Ironically, it looks to me like one possible way the relationship might come back together in the future is based on you finding yourself through your NN. The fact that your NN falls into her 5th means that whatever it is that you do to fulfil your own unique destiny is likely to bring her much joy whether you're together or apart. This might bring romance back to her, as that is ruled by the 5th. And her NN means that she is ultimately destined to experience home, comfort, motherhood (Cancer), and healing/wellbeing through the practicalities of every day life (6th house) - a very family/love orientated fate, and who's to say it won't be with you

posted November 10, 2022 01:46 AM            

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Originally posted by AnnabelLucy:
Okay well... it looks like what's playing out is exactly in line with your combined and individual destinies to be honest. What that means for the future of the relationship cannot be fully determined, astrology is more about potentials than predictions. You do have some extremely good synastry and composite aspects, meaning you have the POTENTIAL to be an extremely happy couple, and you may well come back together at some point as a lot of it looks very fated and intriguing.

But that's actually not what's important here. Hear me out...

SN = where you've been
NN = where you're headed

So... you are supposed to be heading in the direction of ultimate development and expression of the self/personal identity (1st House), through the traits governed by Gemini (communication, wit, intelligence, talking, socialising, writing maybe, social media, media in general, technology, transport - the specific Gemini manner will be discovered by you eventually ofc, something through which the truest you shines). Having a NN in Aries or 1st House always means that this lifetime is about you and who you uniquely are more than anything else.

You're supposed to be focussing less on the Libran themes of partnership, balance and merging, and viewing your identity as determined by being half of a pair (SN). And, moreover, being that it's a partnership described by Sagittarian themes, that means less of this looking to intellectualise or put a spiritual spin on things, searching for expansion and experience only within the bounds of being with her (or anyone else), placing your sense of optimism and hope for the future on that "happily ever after" rather than on finding your own place socially and instead discovering a true sense of self through your other connections and achievements (as your particular NN suggests a need for).

As hard as it might be to grasp (because the SN is very compelling and compulsive behaviour that we tend to fall back on), this time apart might be precisely destined to happen so you can start looking towards your individual future.

Incidentally, it is in line with her SN behaviours that she has come apart from the relationship currently. Capricorn is independent and individualistic, it is self-motivated and likes to climb the ladder of opportunities that lead to an advance in status or power. It will not be tied down to situations that do not advance it and sentimentality doesn't get in the way of it's goals. This being in her 12th means that she wants to keep some aspects of herself/her feelings/her motivations hidden from you, in fact, she might not even know them herself, only that she feels an urge to individuate and take her own lead. It also means she has a weakness for mystery, the great unknown, the overly romanticised "what ifs" of life. She'll be thinking that there might be something better for her out there and she won't know unless she goes to look.

It is Cancer (her NN) that is similar in loved-one oriented motivation and nurturing qualities to your SN Libra. Her past inspires your future, and vice versa, which can speak of fated relationships (but not necessarily ones that last forever). Breaking up might indeed be a fated experience brought about by beliefs, feelings and behaviours that she is supposed to be moving away from, but that gives YOU the chance to move towards what you are supposed to be doing. There are other clues to this in the charts. One that stands out is the Aries ASC and Moon in the composite. To me this suggests that the point of the relationship is to help you both develop your individual personalities and emotional selves, so need to work out who you each are and want to be outside of the relationship too.

Ironically, it looks to me like one possible way the relationship might come back together in the future is based on you finding yourself through your NN. The fact that your NN falls into her 5th means that whatever it is that you do to fulfil your own unique destiny is likely to bring her much joy whether you're together or apart. This might bring romance back to her, as that is ruled by the 5th. And her NN means that she is ultimately destined to experience home, comfort, motherhood (Cancer), and healing/wellbeing through the practicalities of every day life (6th house) - a very family/love orientated fate, and who's to say it won't be with you

But first... it's time to follow your own path for a while!!

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